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MEEW

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I have permission to post a couple of picts or the brute, but have no clue how to post picts. Any one help????
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-10-08 AT 00:38AM (MST)[p]I like to download the pictures onto a photobucket account. If you go to www.photobucket.com and create an account all you need to do is select the file you want and it will download it, then copy the IMG code and paste that into your post.

Can't wait to see the beast.
 
Im dying to see it!!! can i get a fix soon??
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antlerless I sent you an e-mail with the picts thanks for the help. I hope everybody enjoys them as much as I did.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-10-08 AT 05:55PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Oct-10-08 AT 05:24 PM (MST)


That is a good bull, congrats!

lol, strange timing......

Sorry Anterless, after waiting to get a look at a 400 bull I offered to post him up and for us to post at the exact same time?
 
sorry for the double post i was a little slow I guess but that is a big bull congrats to the hunter!!!

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Wow nice bull... Whats the story on it????





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Ya CD that was weird because I looked at it and wnet to reply and yours was there at the same time I was confused for a minute but there we are. Anyway one more time great bull and can't wait to see it in person I hope they take it to the western expo. This might be a good year to get there.

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Whew, that is a lot of bone. Bet the hunt was fun as well. Looks like you made the most out of your once in a lifetime permit with a huge stinky.Congrats
Lambo
 
Don't know for sure, but with spidy being a new world record, shouldn't this bull be pretty close to a new muzzy world record, if not the record. Wow wouldn't that be something where they both came from Utah in the same year!!! Did someone say there was something wrong with Utah's elk....hmmmm, I don't think so with to world class animals coming from Utah again. Any one know what the muzzy non-typical and typical records are? I'm fairly certain that it will smoke Utah's record, depending on deducts of course.
 
This bull was taken on the Beaver Unit. How cool is that with Beaver Being close to where spidey was taken. It truly is a TOAD OF A BULL! Congrats Mitch
 
MEEW hey make sure the hunter gets that bull to Rusty Hall to get it scored he is a great guy and will give that bull all it's worth for points. PM me if you need info. Just speaking from past experience!! He knows how to tape out a big stinky bull!!!

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Meew currant WR muzzy typ is doug digglebecks wasatch bull, 412 net i believe not for long though that thing smokes it!

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ive been looking at this thing for 2 days. holy mosses. that bull is jurrassic park class!!!! bet he sounded like a T REX. did he have a name before he passed? ken
 
Last year they had named the bull "Hooks". If you can believe it they said that the bull had another cheater point on his left side that went out and turned down like a hook, hence the name. I asked if he was bigger last year and they said they didn't think so, because they didn't think his points were as long as they are this year, but probabaly still close to 415-420. Antlerless what did your bull end up netting last year?
 
That bull is awesome any way you score it, but if I'm not mistaken, it will not overtake Doug Degelbeck's 412 typical bull. This bull will, no doubt, get hit pretty hard with the deductions taken for it's non-typical trash. Again, it's an awesome bull and with all the hype over new world records and net scores, etc. it's too bad that a bull like that will get "picked apart" because of all it's trash. It's the trash that gives it character!! But, thats the world we live in. Anyway, in my opinion it will lose quite a bit due to the trash if it is entered AS A TYPICAL
 
lucky the way i see it is probably 8 inchs in non typ deductions another 5 for the broken tine and probably another five for just odds and ends any way it comes out to be 420ish net, smoking dougs bull by 8 or so inches.
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Berryblaster, I'm no expert, but by looking at those pictures that bull appears to be a main frame 7 x 7 with trash (in-lines, small cheaters, etc). If thats the case, to be entered as a typical the B&C scorer has to decide which 6 points on each side make up the main typical frame (6 points only per side) and then EVERYTHING ELSE is deducted. Also, the broken tine (as you pointed out) is one of those that will no doubt be counted as one of the main-frame typical points and the bull will get hit pretty hard there as well; probabely losing 5-6 points right there on that single broken tine. If thats the case, this bull has at least 20-30 inches of deductions as a typical. Tell me if I'm wrong and/or maybe I'm not seeing the pictures correctly. Again, huge bull!!! If it becomes the new World Record and beats out Dougs thats great. Records are made to be broken and I'm sure Doug would be the first to congradulate the guy. I'm all for it...I just dont think with all the deductions that I see from the pics that it would become the new #1 Muzzy Bull
 
Do you decuct the 6ths from his typical score even if they are in line. I did't think so. He would be scored as an in-line typical 7x7 and just deduct the trash, right or wrong????
 
You would deduct the 7th points, even if they are in-lines (if you are scoring it as a typical). In order for it to be considered a "typical" it can only have 6 points per side and anything else, or any other points etc. would be considered non-typical and would be deducted. It doesnt matter if the extra-points are inlines or going straight sideways.....extras are extras..similiar as with Mule Deer. If you have a big typical four-point frame (muley), the scorer has to first decide which four points are the four main/typical points (G1, G2, G3, G4 and main beam). If the buck is going to be scored as a typical, everything else is considered non-typical points and would be deducted. If the bull/buck is going to be entered as a non-typical, the typical frame is net scored and then all of the extra trash is added in ontop of it. So, with this bull, it would definately/obviously score higher as a non-typical. If I'm not mistaken it would most likely be the state record muzzleloader non-typical bull. But that's up to the hunter to decide if he wants to enter it as a typical or a non-typical. It will be interesting to see what he does and exactly what this bull scores. Like I said though, either way it's an awesome bull and congrats to the hunter!!!!!
 
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MEEW here is the bull i shot last year on the late hunt in the neighboring unit. Had him scored as a non-typical because they take the typical six point main frame and make any deductions in differences in those points. Then add all the extras into that score to get the nontypical score. So my bull for instance had a 385 main frame score with 9 4/8 deductins making him 375 4/8 final typical score.Then he added the non-typical points/inches in which were 32 7/8 giving him the total score of 408 3/8 net and the gross of 417 7/8 gross before all the deductions.I would definitly have him scored as a non-typical because you will have a lot of dedustions as a typical, and if it doesn't go state or world record ohh well that thig is still a dream bull!!

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LuckyShot,

I was asked to post this remark for him concerning your comment above related to the number of points for a Typical Elk.

d13er: a typical elk can have an unlimited number of points as long as they are on top and matched....there could be a 12x12 typical.

The likely hood of one like that is far fetched but this is just an example. Oh, an yes he is an OM for B&C.

Brian
 
Kilowatt,

I would like to know where you found that you could have a 12 x 12 typical because the official score sheet only goes to point label G-7. So the biggest typical that the score sheet allows in B and C for a typical is an 8 point if you count the end of the main beam (F measurement). I am not aware that you can have that and would like to know where I could read this info? Nice bulls fellas.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-08 AT 05:29PM (MST)[p]G1,

Read the "last paragraph" above of my post, I was only relaying what I was told.
YES, the scoring sheet has locations for 7 points "if available".

(I couldn't find access to the official measurers handbook online but that is where it reads.......while the score chart shows space for recording only seven such points, there is no upper limit to how many normal points can occur on an elk antler. In the extreme rarity that more than seven normal points(not including the beam tip) occur, the measurements of the extra point(s) may be included as a seperate attachment.

Jef)




Here is the link right for B&C Score sheet for Typical Elk.

https://www.boone-crockett.org/community/associates/ind_scoring_process.asp?com=ASSOC&action=form

Brian
 
Isn't the chris Robb bull out of nm in 1998 the current world record ML bull at 430 2/8? I'm only saying that because king's outdoor world posted that as his score and rank????? That bull you killed last year is awesome. Did you nick name him Louisville. He has freakin baseball bats for main beams. Sheese, now that's some freakin bonage!!!
 
Kilowatt, Thanks for clearing that up for me. That was info that I did not know about and I think that somebody had told me wrong. I was always under the impression that there were only seven scorable points no matter how many inline points there are but I was wrong. When I wrote that post I was looking at the official score sheet and saw no special notes talking about additional points. Thats what I like about this...you can always learn something. Thanks again.

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Kilowatt, yeah, thanks for the info and for clarifying that. Good to know. Thanks for keeping us in line. Had I known the proper way to score a typical with some extras, I would not have passed on those numerous public land bulls over 400 that I erroneously thought would have too many deductions from all of their nontypical trash to shoot. I can think of at least 12 that I passed on that no doubt would have gone over 430. Again, thanks for the good info!
 
Lucky i see ya got it now, im not for sure on this but i am paid to know so this is what i thought was the 'rules' ;-). a typ elk can have up to seven typical points not counting the beam, with the beam that would make it an inline eight. So as this bull stands he has probably 6-8" of non typ 'trash' and another 10-12" in just deductions so if the original 437 score stands, thats between 16 and 20" in deductions. making his net score before drying period between 417-421 should be the new WR TYPICAL elk replacing Doug's 412 wasatch bull.

and please tell me your jokin on 12 400 class bulls?? if your not your about to be eatin alive on this sight so put your waders on!
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Yeah, of course I'm kidding. Again, thanks for the info on scoring bulls like this. It's pretty amazing to see in one year a bull going over 500 on public land, numerous elk going over 400, potentially breaking world records: a mule deer going over 320.....it's just incredible!!
 

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