Best under $400

pigslayer · Jan 27, 2018

New to Muzzleloaders, what is the best buy for under $400?

txhunter58 · Jan 27, 2018

Don't own one, but hear good things about CVA Optima V2. They are in your price range. The accura V2 would be a step up, but over your price point

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

elkassassin · Jan 27, 2018

If you're not wanting to Spend alot on a SmokePole!

Spend a little more than 400.00!

And Buy You a New CVA ACCURA 2 in Stainless of course!

Or!

Save another 400.00 to put with the 400.00 you already have & Buy a Real SmokePole!

Remington Ultimate!

Ya!

They're Heavy!

pigslayer · Jan 28, 2018

Cabelas has has the CVA V2 stainless with scope mount For $280 and the same rifle with a scope and with gun case for $420

hossblur · Jan 28, 2018

I shoot a cva Acura v2. Got my son a cva optima for b day. With scope mount, stainless, black syn stock. Shot it for first time this morning. Accurate as mine. Easy load, twist out breach all same as mine. Stock not quite as nice. But I paid double for the accura.

Paid $240 for it, sling, 3x9 cabelas brand scope still under $400.
Go optima, you won't regret it at all.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"

Joe2Kool · Jan 28, 2018

Whatever you choose, go with stainless.

fallguy · Jan 29, 2018

Years ago I said I would never own a CVA so I bought a TC Omega. I kept it a few years but never warmed up to it. It wasn't accurate and felt clunky in my hands. I sold it and went against my biased opinion and bought a stainless CVA Optima V2. Turns out all the good things I read about it are true - I really like it. I looked at the Acura V2 also but the stock on the Optima felt much better to me.

Cow Tag · Jan 29, 2018

The CVA Accura V2 is not very much above your buying price. I have two Accura V2's...one with the long barrel topped with a scope and the other is my Colorado weapon with open sights. I think that they are about as good as a hunter needs.

two7D · Feb 1, 2018

Shop around. You should be able to find an Accura for under $400. I couldn't be happier with mine. I feel like it's an extension of my right hand. Deadly accurate and I have full confidence in it. It has never let me down on several mule deer and a bull elk. Mine shoots really well with Barnes 250 grain TMZ bullets. My brother has an Optima and he shoots it really well too. Ultimately get whatever feels best when you shoulder it, and fits your budget. Good luck.

tailchasers · Feb 3, 2018

CVA is what I have but that seems to fit Colorado best. I think it depends what ya intend to hunt and which state.

"Courage is being scared to death but
saddling up anyway."

Muley · Feb 5, 2018

Cabelas prices are high. Buy from these guys. Unfortunately, the gun you want is on backorder. Did you want to use a scope or open sights?

Here's the open sight. I'd call them and see when they're getting more in.

https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/cva-accuratm-v2-pr3110s.html

If you want to use a scope. This is a good choice and it's in stock. Both guns are in your price range.

https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/cva-accura-mr-pr3120sm.html

GoexBlackhorn · Feb 11, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-18 AT 07:15PM (MST)[p]>New to Muzzleloaders, what is the best buy for under $400?

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Knight Vision. Order it by phone.
https://www.knightrifles.com/product-category/muzzleloaders/vision-muzzleloader/

2nd Choice -- Thompson Center Triumph
https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/brands/thompson-center-muzzleloaders/tc-triumph-muzzleloaders

txhunter58 · Feb 11, 2018

The Knight should be fine, but don't buy the Triumph if you think you ever might want to shoot conicals. For instance, if you ever think you might hunt in Colorado. T/C rifles with a QLA on the end of the muzzle won't reliably shoot conicals. Even T/C will tell you that.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

elkassassin · Feb 11, 2018

Spend the Extra Money & Don't look back!

500.00 will get you a Gun you won't be Sorry for!

Muley · Feb 12, 2018

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What gun would that be?

elkassassin · Feb 12, 2018

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>What gun would that be?

CVA ACCURA II

I Prefer the Remington Ultimate!

But for a 500.00 Gun I'd have to go with the CVA ACCURA 2!

elkassassin · Feb 12, 2018

Seems Like I Paid 500.00 for Mine with Scope & Case!

Here's one for around 400.00 No Scope & No Case!

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/747415909

Muley · Feb 13, 2018

The Remington is not a good choice anymore. They're going out of business.

elkassassin · Feb 13, 2018

>The Remington is not a good
>choice anymore. They're going out
>of business.

LOL!

Ya!

Maybe they'll start Selling them for 200.00!

Joe2Kool · Feb 13, 2018

I didn't realize Knight still made the Wolverine until I clicked on GoexB's link. I've had two for over 20 years with excellent results, using 300 grain sabot bullets and 100 gr of powder. Never grouped well with lighter bullets though. They are also light and easy to carry.

Knight makes a kit to upgrade them to use 209 primers.

The link mentions 200 yard groups. Mine are very flat from 50-100 yards, but fall off quickly after 125 yards. Maybe the newer ones handle more powder.

Good luck!

pigslayer · Feb 13, 2018

Want to thank everyone for all your info, i bought the Optima used from a friend of a friend. He is upgrading, i am going to put a Leupold 3x9 42mm on, then head to the range with ammo and see how much powder with bullet will work best. I'm open for what you would start with as far as powder and bullet grain. Thanks again.

RioHuntNutt · Feb 14, 2018

fallguy took the exact words out of my mouth! I own a couple and most wereT/Cs and have had some good hunts with them , but a few years back I came across the CVA Optima and bergera barrel.This little smoke pole is dead on golden to 200 yards, I put a nikon on it and love this jewel of a smoke pole. I sold all my T/C black diamonds except an older thumbhole with #11 ignition that is my first muzzle loader and shoots very very solid....I still want a T/C Pro hunter tho....

txhunter58 · Feb 14, 2018

Powder and bullet depends on what you will be hunting and if sabots are allowed. I assume they are because most places that allow scopes will allow sabots. I use only conicals but when I get picked for Utah, will switch to Barnes sabot bullets

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

Joe2Kool · Feb 14, 2018

Good luck and have fun! There's another post on here about the Barnes bullets. Never used them, but post was positive.

Regarding powder, where legal, pellets are easier than loose. But loose allows more fine tuning.

bergy · Feb 14, 2018

I have to agree with a lot of the folks on this thread. For the price the CVA Accura V2 is a great gun. Optima is a good option too. I owned a CVA about 15 years ago. It was junk. I switched to a Traditions and it was a little better but the best I could do was 5 inch groups at 100 no matter the powder/bullet combo. I took the advice of the guys here at MM and went back to CVA, I picked up an Accura V2 from Cabelas. Its an amazing gun. I can almost get a 3 shot group to touch at 100.

290 Barnes T-EZ
100 grains BH209 by volume
CCI magnum primers.

elkassassin · Feb 14, 2018

bergy is Right!

I Started out with a CVA 40 years ago!

Swore I'd never Ever Buy another POS CVA Again!

But they Changed their Ways!

That's about How Mine Shoots at a 100 Yards also Bergy!

I Fired 10 Shots at a 100 Yards last Fall & 7 out of the 10 were touching each other!

No,I'm Not Sayin a Quarter Would Cover them!

It Won't Be Long and a 22" PISSCUTTER will be known as a Trophy that will be put on the Wall!