YOUR OPINION MATTERS - SURVEY - REALLY

Oryxrus · Apr 25, 2018

Any one read their ORYX Survey from the department?

I don't know how many of you read all the information I have supplied here on a previous post,

http://www.monstermuleys.info/cgi-b...z=show_thread&om=7681&forum=DCForumID34&omm=0
,but if you have and you took the survey you would have seen there is a HUGE lack of information between the survey and what I have provided. Those 2 questions will drive which proposal the department will select for Oryx.

Question #2... I would answer that NO.. 10 out of 10 times if I didn't know what was going on.

In fact, I am very disappointed in the departments survey design. It was not objective and does NOT provide the public enough information to determine which proposal the public wants. Of course WSMR was not provided an opportunity to review the question before hand.

As a hunter I apologize for the wasted time this took because based on that survey the department doesn't appear to care what you want and they will ask the questions that gets the answer they want.

To be clear WSMR wants what the public wants! Email the department and go to a meeting because the survey is a waste in my opinion.

[email protected]

Las Cruces: 6 to 7 p.m. May 7 at the Department of Game and Fish office, 2715 Northrise Drive.
?Roswell: 6 to 7 p.m. May 8 at the Department of Game and Fish office, 1912 W. Second Street.
?Albuquerque: 6 to 7 p.m. May 9 at the Department of Game and Fish office, 3841 Midway Place, NE

Mnbearhunter123 · Apr 25, 2018

Thanks for the heads up! I got that email survey this afternoon.

BrianID · Apr 25, 2018

Thank you for keeping us updated. As long as I can leave work early enough, I'll be to the meeting in Las Cruces on May 7th.
Who else will be at the meeting on May 7th?

BUGLEnmIN · Apr 25, 2018

What time is the meeting?

philthy · Apr 25, 2018

I agree, Gilbert. That was a crappy survey and I quit before it was done! I'm definitely planning to attend the Albuquerque meeting. You guys are a class act and my 2016 sheep hunt was amazing... thanks again!

Phil

ELKMAN · Apr 25, 2018

UNREAL, but not surprising!

Oryxrus · Apr 25, 2018

Hey Phil... I will be at all three. At least Albuquerque and the Las Cruces one.

Oryxrus · Apr 25, 2018

6pm.

If you can't make the meeting send your feedback. It's important. Regardless your view.

NMBOWHNTR27 · Apr 25, 2018

I never got the survey....and I drew an Oryx tag this year.

22250 · Apr 25, 2018

I did not receive a survey but also drew two oryx tags in the family this year.
Sad to say oryxrus but this is how NMdgf operates when it comes to public input. The department knows what they want and will implement it only going through the motions. I will do my best to be at the Roswell meeting. Good luck and let's do what's best for wildlife management.

JACOB2006 · Apr 25, 2018

Can you imagine the out of states that would continue to apply with no quota system? Residents will never hunt it.

NMPaul · Apr 26, 2018

The survey, was either intentionally misleading or poorly thought out. It asked the same question in 2 different ways and neither gave any insight into the options that are proposed on the range.

Honestly, I regret filling it out, because surveys are always used as a tool by those with an agenda. The problem, is you never know how they are going to use the results of a survey until they use it.

Attend the meetings. Support the work Gillbert has done on the range and place your trust in his knowledge of the herd and the political forces that be.

Oryxrus · Apr 26, 2018

The great thing is WSMR has always cooperated with the Department. This isn't a biological management issue it is a social one. The department and WSMR work hard together to come up with management goals and proposals. The department as the authority over state animals and have always considered our recommendations.

As the department has indicated they don't agree with the second proposal. I applauded the director, commission and department for allowing the public to discuss options in my first post and that is All WSMR has asked for. Let the public have a discussion about their options so the Department and commission can make the best decision they can make for NM.

So attend the meetings or email the department and give your ideas or support for either proposal.

JACOB2006 · Apr 26, 2018

My opinion is only increase the tags to keep the population at its current number. In 2010 the numbers were so low thst were only having a 60% kill on a once in a lifetime hunt. Now it's almost 100%. That's how it should be. Off range needs to be left alone, not very many anymore.

Oryxrus · Apr 26, 2018

Thank you for your feedback. Please email it to the department or attend a meeting.

For clarification.. The population in the CORE hunt areas which is Stallion and Rhodes is currently 3,000 - 3,500 animals and climbing fast. In 2010, the population in those same core areas was 2,900-3,300 animals. So the populations are almost the same.. here is the big difference Jacob2006, in 2010, 950 licenses were issued with a 76% success rate. This past year we had 388 licenses with a 91% success rate so here is a perfect example of Opportunity vs Quality of the hunt. Unfortunately, managers agree they can't maintain those numbers without a population boom so they have to increase licenses. NM has to decide how they want the department and commission to structure your hunts.

Do you want to maximize OIL opportunity and sacrifice some quality of the hunt and experience like we did in 2010, Do you want to have half the hunts managed for a quality hunt and sacrifice some OIL opportunity combined with hunts that anyone can apply that increases opportunity and won't be quality of a hunt.

OR.... Do you think there should be a hybrid version of the two proposals.

I hope this helps in your decision making...

GilaCoues1 · Apr 26, 2018

I think we need to define OIL! What exactly is OIL? Is it the opportunity to hunt oryx? Is it the quality of the hunt? In today's standards, it probably should be a quality of hunt issue, meaning keeping the numbers of hunters low on the OIL hunts so he/she can enjoy the hunt without a lot of hunter's on the hunt.

See my other post. We as hunter's need to ask the question, why????

We as hunter's have the opportunity to determine how the NMDGF offers hunting opportunity. For example, NMDGF should only care about "how many oryx" hunter's harvest. How that happens is up to the Game Commission. Biology first, socialogical second. Let's say that 500 oryx need to be harvested to maintain the population. Why would the Dept. determine how that happens? Shouldn't hunters determine how that happens?

Just a thought..........

nmhntr · Apr 26, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Apr-26-18 AT 08:45PM (MST)[p]Gilbert ?- you and your team are class acts. Awesome that we are able to have more opportunity to hunt oryx, especially in different areas of the range! Aside from this proposal, I would be in favor of having Oryx in every part of the state!

I haven't drawn my OIL in over 15 years. At first, I was against getting rid of the OIL designation from hunts because it makes it seems like my draw odds would drop a ton but how can that really be true when it is only 3% now!! It's way cool how in NM everyone has a chance to draw any hunt every year! Who knows maybe my luck will change? It's way cool that I might be able to draw an Oryx tag several times in my life...

Cool idea to dump some of the OIL designations! Mostly like how you use science to manage the species! I really leave it up to your best judgement based on the numbers and long history of hunter feedback!!

Oryxrus · Apr 26, 2018

nmhntr,

Thank you for your feedback. I am fortunate to have a supportive program manager at WSMR, Patrick Morrow, who has been managing Oryx for 30 years or more. We also have a group of biologist that I work with daily that provide valuable insight. We are fortunate we have a strong relationship with WSMR physical security and military leadership. These hunts are a monumental task and I am happy you recognize it takes a team. It takes a good working relationship with nmdgf law enforcement as well as their biologists and administrators. We do our best to provide our input to help the department in anyway possible. ultimately the department, commission and the public have the final say.
So that is why it is important for all hunters to get involved and give their feedback so the department and the commission can make the right decision..

Thank you

Oryxrus · Apr 26, 2018

Gilacoues1,

I was able to speak to the commission and ask them exactly that. What is a OIL Hunt? I explained to them for the first time in Oryx management history the public has an opportunity to have a choice on how they want to hunt oryx.

We have two good proposals that were presented and the public should be afforded the opportunity to discuss it or even come up with a new one! As managers we have to be open minded and listen to hunters and the people on the ground.

Here is Webster?s definition:
: very rare or very rarely a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity This sort of opportunity comes along once in a lifetime.

For me a OIL Hunt is a high quality hunting experience in a high quality trophy area with low hunting pressure. I know the reality is I may not ever draw a OIL hunt , but IF I ever did I want it to mean exactly that. Example, I know I will never see a sheep tag, I most likely will never draw OIL Ibex tag, but if I do, it better be worth the wait.

I can barely draw anything in NM.. 3 elk tags, 1 Barbary, 6 deer, 2 population reduction oryx hunts my whole life.. what's wrong with that picture. The only thing I can draw is javelina lol.

So my OIL is a pipe dream, but it's a dream so if and when it comes true I want it all, just not an opportunity.