Putin's grudge against Hillary

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Why Putin hates Hillary

Behind the allegations of a Russian hack of the DNC is the Kremlin leader's fury at Clinton for challenging the fairness of Russian elections.

By Michael Crowley and Julia Ioffe
| 07/25/16 06:20 PM EDT

Hillary Clinton has never concealed her disdain for Russian President Vladimir Putin.

When mass protests against Russian President Vladimir Putin erupted in Moscow in December 2011, Putin made clear who he thought was really behind them: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

With the protesters accusing Putin of having rigged recent elections, the Russian leader pointed an angry finger at Clinton, who had issued a statement sharply critical of the voting results. ?She said they were dishonest and unfair,? Putin fumed in public remarks, saying that Clinton gave ?a signal? to demonstrators working ?with the support of the U.S. State Department? to undermine his power. ?We need to safeguard ourselves from this interference in our internal affairs,? Putin declared.

Five years later, Putin may be seeking revenge against Clinton. At least that's the implication of the view among some cybersecurity experts that Russia was behind the recent hack of the Democratic National Committee?s email server, which has sowed confusion and dissent at the Democratic National Convention and undercut Clinton?s goal of party unity.

While Donald Trump?s budding romance with Vladimir Putin is well known ? the two men have exchanged admiring words about each other and called for improved relations between Washington and Moscow ? Putin?s hostility towards Clinton draws less attention.

Former U.S. officials who worked on Russia policy with Clinton say that Putin was personally stung by Clinton?s December 2011 condemnation of Russia?s parliamentary elections, and had his anger communicated directly to President Barack Obama. They say Putin and his advisers are also keenly aware that, even as she executed Obama?s ?reset? policy with Russia, Clinton took a harder line toward Moscow than others in the administration. And they say Putin sees Clinton as a forceful proponent of ?regime change? policies that the Russian leader considers a grave threat to his own survival.

?He was very upset [with Clinton] and continued to be for the rest of the time that I was in government,? said Michael McFaul, who served as the top Russia official in Obama?s national security council from 2009 to December 2011 and then was U.S. ambassador to Moscow until early 2014. ?One could speculate that this is his moment for payback.?
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Hillary Clinton even admitted in a speech in New York that Putin had a "grudge" against her.

The bottom line is that Putin has a ego far larger then most people and he felt that Hillary did interfere with his election in 2011 to cause dissent among his people against him.

Putin's ego would not be satisfied until he got even with Hillary and he showed Hillary and President Obama that he was a far better master of deceit and dirty tricks then they were. Hillary picked the wrong person to p!ss off and he stuck it to her in spades and she knows it.

I do not believe there was any conspiracy with Trump using Putin to cause Hillary her defeat. Putin did it on his own to satisfy his injured ego and the night Hillary lost the election, you can bet Putin danced a jig and shouted, take that you b!tch.

Of course Dude is too dumb and deaf to figure this out on his own. He likes the conspiracy angle with the black helicopters that the Democrats are pushing.

RELH
 
dude thought for Sure He'd be Hosin Hillary in the WhiteHouse!








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Hillary has nobody to blame but herself she made P!ss poor choices and people need to wake up and start taking accountability for their actions that is one of the biggest problems in society today. People try to defend people in the public figure. Look at Shauna Lake for 2 news people say she made a mistake, no don't sell a piss poor choice as a mistake, take accountability for your actions and change. She's a news anchor why is the range rover not registered and the wrong plates on it. Why didn't she call Uber or a friend. She drove drunk and got caught just like Hillary pulled her email stunt and got caught. Own up to it bottom line.
 
So now there was Russian intervention into the U.S. election?

So using the logic that if you didn't vote for Trump or Hillary, that was a vote for Hillary. Wouldn't that mean that any attempt by Russia to hurt Hillary, helped Trump win the White House? Can you see why a haze of distrust would cloud anyone's view of Trump's presidency if he was helped into office by Russia or even the appearance of that?

Why would Putin prefer to have a guy like Trump in office vs. A third term of Obama, which Hillary would have been? Why the man love for Putin and why would we want to give him anything while he is arming the Taliban and working against our interests around the globe?

It is a weird dynamic and it should be investigated. Throw Hillary in prison for all her misdeeds if they can be proven in court. Jeff Session could order an investigation today if he wanted to, care to bet if he will?

Nemont
 
Wow, RELH just can't let Hillary go. I can't say much I guess I'm the same way with Charlize Theron .


So let me get this right, it's okay Putie helped Trump win because he hated her. and all this time we thought Putie wanted Trump to win ! wow do I feel foolish, okay let's end the Russia investigation case closed.

Thanks RELH.














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So, I guess this whole thing got started when Hillary tried to influence Russia's election by saying Putin was illegitimate. She doesn't like it when the tables got turned. I'll be darned.
 
Now you all accept that Putin intervened in our election? What would have happened if Hillary had been his chosen? Would you have accepted her as the legitimate president?

Nemont
 
I see, if Hillary told the Russians not to let a KGB strongman in office it's okay if Putin helps americans put a conman in office.

You can learn a lot about how retards think on this forum.

















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LAST EDITED ON May-12-17 AT 10:02AM (MST)[p]Nemont it is not a matter of many of us not believing Putin ordered the hacking of the DNC computers. What we do not believe is that Trump was a part of it as many Democrats would have us to believe.
I have said it before and will say it again, Hillary is a very deceitful vindictive woman and as a result she has made many enemies that hate her guts. Putin was one she should have been more careful with.

The final outcome of this hacking was to show the American public how the Clinton machine was corrupt and how it was being used to throw the election to Hillary's favor. What went around, came around to bite CROOKED HILLARY in the butt.

RELH
 
>Now you all accept that
>Putin intervened in our election?
> What would have happened
>if Hillary had been his
>chosen? Would you
>have accepted her as the
>legitimate president?
>
>Nemont
lmaof !! now that comey got fired,the Clinton email is back on the table along with investigations on Obama care.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-12-17 AT 10:19AM (MST)[p]RELH,

I don't believe there was collusion between Russia and Trump personally. Clapper said there is no evidence he has seen that says there was collusion.

My question is would you have accepted Hillary as a legitimate president if Putin waged a campaign to discredit Trump and sway voters away from him?

You have to put yourself on the other side of the fence from the point of view of people who have no trust in any political party. If it appears Russia didn't want Hillary and worked to hurt her chances of being president and there are provable, multiple contacts between Russia and people close to Trump, it makes normal people very very uneasy about Trump's man love for Putin. That is the issue, they issue isn't that Hillary sucked. It is that Putin put his finger on the scale and worked to elect Trump. That should make anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty say, something stinks and it needs to be looked into deeply because if we can't trust our elections then our country doesn't function as designed. Trump won, he is the president, now he is in a fight as to whether he is credible or not and there in lies the problem. He is wasting time and political capital fighting fights that do zero to further his agenda. The longer the reality show in the White House goes on the less they will get done.

Nemont
 
>>Now you all accept that
>>Putin intervened in our election?
>> What would have happened
>>if Hillary had been his
>>chosen? Would you
>>have accepted her as the
>>legitimate president?
>>
>>Nemont
>
>
>lmaof !! now that comey
>got fired,the Clinton email is
>back on the table along
>with investigations on Obama care.
>


Care to bet if Jeff Session orders another investigation of Hillary's emails that results in charges and prison for her? Clinton's email scandal is over with, done, stick a fork in it because the case is now so tainted they couldn't bring charges if they wanted to.

So let's bet. I say Hillary will never be charged with a crime over her emails. The only reason they are in the news is because Trump wants to try again to get attention off of Russia and his campaign.

$1,000? what you say?

Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON May-12-17 AT 10:25AM (MST)[p]The election was decided by 80,000 votes in 4 key states. That is out of a total 262 million so we are talking a fraction of 1%. Did Russia's efforts pay off? I think it can be reasonably argued that it did. It is probable that it swayed a small percentage to vote differently or not vote at all.

However that was not the only defining factor on her loss. Hillsy was a terrible candidate, terrible in 2008 and even worse in 2016. Much like it was McCain's turn, the DNC blatantly decided it was Hillsy's turn.

The stooges at the top of the DNC like Podesta and Schultz were promised positions in her cabinet if they delivered her a win. As we now know Sanders was robbed of Nevada (called that) and should have been the candidate elect (called that) but was screwed over by the DNC. (called that)

Obama was so popular in 08 the DNC couldn't stop him so for future insurance they raised the number of Super-delegates. I do believe at the very onset of the primaries the main goal of Russia was simply to discredit Hillsy by flooding the net with slanderous and malicious stories through a number of Manny sites.

If Russia contributed to Hillsy's loss, so did the DNC by instructing their media surrogates to focus on making Dear Leader's the voice of the GOP early in the primaries. Not a smart strategy when your candidate is not the choice of the people and the embodiment of corruption.
 
>>>Now you all accept that
>>>Putin intervened in our election?
>>> What would have happened
>>>if Hillary had been his
>>>chosen? Would you
>>>have accepted her as the
>>>legitimate president?
>>>
>>>Nemont
>>
>>
>>lmaof !! now that comey
>>got fired,the Clinton email is
>>back on the table along
>>with investigations on Obama care.
>>
>
>
>Care to bet if Jeff Session
>orders another investigation of Hillary's
>emails that results in charges
>and prison for her?
> Clinton's email scandal is
>over with, done, stick a
>fork in it because the
>case is now so tainted
>they couldn't bring charges if
>they wanted to.
>
>So let's bet. I say
>Hillary will never be charged
>with a crime over her
>emails. The only reason
>they are in the news
>is because Trump wants to
>try again to get attention
>off of Russia and his
>campaign.
>
>$1,000? what you say?
>
>Nemont
I would bet $5 bucks she would plead the fifth.
 
My question is would you have accepted Hillary as a legitimate president if Putin waged a campaign to discredit Trump and sway voters away from him?
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Nemont with what I know about Hillary I could never accept her as a legitimate president. She attempted by deceitful means to throw the election her way and in my opinion was far more the dishonest candidate that makes even Putin look like a good guy. Yes Putin interfered with our election, but Hillary sowed the seed for that to happen and I even feel that Obama was behind her actions. In a way Putin had the right to do what he did based on his belief that Hillary and Obama tried to unseat him from his position as the Russian president.
As for Bernie Sanders, he lost any respect I had for him. He knew that he was pushed out of the running by a deceitful back stabbing Hillary, thanks to Putin and the email disclosures, and then turned the other cheek to endorse her. He showed he had no respect for the people and his moral code.

RELH
 

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