they ate my Elephant

Wonder why that's not on a PITA billboard?

Yeah, I have the same pics. No one ever bothers to say how much good it does when we give them the meat from our trophies.

Blaaaam!

Only left a wet spot.

The rock lickers want them to eat all the green vegetation that we see in the picture

You're such the humanitarian.

Props to the guides, spotters, asswipers, packers, babysitters butchers, hand holders and everyone else who did the actual work.

I didn't realize they even had high fence elephant hunts in Texas

Grizzly

Slow day for the slaughterhouse on wheels today?


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.

That's a good one Grizz

Joe

"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora

So....why don't the locals just shoot an elephant when they get hungry? Why starve to death next to a herd of Impala or Wildebeest or whatever?

>I didn't realize they even had
>high fence elephant hunts in
>Texas
>
>Grizzly


I just hope the guide was in the right country. He probably made a few calls to the guys in Southern Utah to see of he could shoot the elephant in the wrong country. OH WELL, right!?!?! Its all about.....money.

Eel grass, this is a good question that deserves a good answer. To bad the answer is complicated.

The reality is this. Much of southern and eastern Africa is absolutely vacant of wildlife. You can drive for miles and miles and miles and miles with out seeing any mega-fauna whatsoever. The native populace has literally consumed everything they can get their hands on and wiped out the wildlife. The only places you will find wildlife is in National parks and hunting reserves. Here the animals are protected for sustainability. Sustainable harvest practices to the average native is might as well be nuclear physics. It just isn't something most of them can understand. The average native has an IQ that is probably somewhere around the 70 number and in America would be considered mentally retarded. Now I know you think I'm telling you something racist. In reality its a vicious cycle which they can't escape. The low IQ is more than likely an effect of malnutrition not race. But it does put them in a catch 22 of not being able to increase their agronomic and wildlife carrying capacity through intellectual development and technology. They are basically stuck in a developmental rut.

At the same time the simple economics of killing an elephant is an insurmountable obstacle to the average native. The weapon it takes to efficiently dispatch an elephant usually costs more than any one man could earn in a couple of years. The bullet alone costs more than the average man earns in a day.

Add to these issues that the weapons laws in many of these nations are tyrannous. They are designed by governments to leave the public for the most part unarmed. The governments are horribly corrupt and rule the populace through brute force. They in no way want a largely armed populace around them.

Here is how most of these elephant sequences go down like the pictures you see here. A hunter pays an outfitter in Africa to go on an elephant hunt. They are usually, NOT ALWAYS, conducted within a hunting block where elephant hunting is legal and strictly regulated. If the hunter kills the elephant within that hunting block the animal is usually professionally processed and much of the meat and parts sold to a butcher. Some meat and parts may be retained as rations for workers within the block. Some hunting blocks have villages within them that the outfitter is paying money to hunt within their property. In this case usually some of the meat is shared with the village. The other scenario is that the elephant is killed outside of the hunting block. Very often elephant will leave the hunting block and raid neighboring farms. They are extremely destructive when they do this and the local natives are definitely victims when this happens. Most of these people are on the edge of starvation already and one elephant can literally wipe out their entire food base for the next six months in one night. So the natives usually approach the outfitter in the neighboring hunting block and cut a deal for him to kill the elephant. Usually a deal is struck for the outfitter to keep the ivory and skin but the natives get everything else to offset their nutritional losses.

I hope this helped.

Cheers

LAST EDITED ON Dec-28-18 AT 09:55PM (MST)[p]I lived in Zimbabwe and Zambia for two years. The people I interacted with were not ?mentally retarded.?

Some of the smartest people I have ever associated with are native Africans. Unlike the post I just read...

Thanks Tristate. I appreciate the response. Having never been there myself it's hard to understand. We live so differently in the US. I've read a lot of Peter Capstick, and he touches on it in some of his books. He at least hints about the reality of life in deep Africa, and the plight of the native peoples. It all seems so foreign to me.

Vanilla, what's your response to my questions?

>Vanilla, what's your response to my
>questions?

Hey Eel!

I'd Bet you can Starve your Own People easier than not letting a High Dollar Hunt Take Place first!

I'd Bet it's not much different than the BS that goes on here!

ALL $$$ RELATED!!!









I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

>>Vanilla, what's your response to my
>>questions?
>
>Hey Eel!
>
>I'd Bet you can Starve your
>Own People easier than not
>letting a High Dollar Hunt
>Take Place first!
>
>I'd Bet it's not much different
>than the BS that goes
>on here!
>
>ALL $$$ RELATED!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I know so many people in
>so many places
>They make allot of money but
>they got sad faces
>
>It Ain't Easy being Me!

You're probably right. Sell out the people and the government steals the money.

>So....why don't the locals just shoot
>an elephant when they get
>hungry? Why starve to death
>next to a herd of
>Impala or Wildebeest or whatever?
>

Sir, I've not lived in Africa - but I have spent over 1,000 days on the continent, in 8 different countries, and I hold a full PH license in Tanzania, east Africa.

First off, the local blacks (villagers) don't own guns...period! With the rare exception of a poacher, or a black PH, they don't own / can't afford one, nor are they legally allowed to even own one. You can't control the people, if they are all armed!

Secondly, there is no such thing as a herd of impala / wildebeest living anywhere remotely close to a village...period! They long since have been poached out - mostly by snare poaching which is highly effective! Thus exactly why with the exception of game farms/ranches, national parks or strongly protected hunting concessions - game is non-existent.

Millions of mouths to feed man....no amount of game could ever feed em all! Africa as a whole is a sinking Titanic...period!

Vanilla,

I completely believe that you felt serounded by geniuses while in Africa.

Tri State nailed it I drove like 8 hours to my hunting zone in Zambia and am always looking for animals as a habit I didn't see so much as a tweety bird NOTHING until I entered my hunting zone....lots of factors but the worldwide model is animals have to have a $$$$$$ values in third world countries or they will be all eaten..

LAST EDITED ON Dec-30-18 AT 07:46PM (MST)[p]>Vanilla,
>
>I completely believe that you felt
>serounded by geniuses while in
>Africa.


And I completely believe that you felt you were the smartest guy in the room. It would be weird for you to act like anything other than a know-it-all blow-hard that doesn't have a real clue.

Says the guy that showed up here talking trash about posters when nobody else was.

Vanilla,

Would you like your children to grow up in an rural African village? I notice you live here now. Maybe you would like to describe to these people what the legal system is like. Or what their economies are like. Maybe you can talk about the infection rates of HIV in these countries filled with geniuses. I bet every time your kids get seriously ill you wish a good ol Zimbabwean doctor was available to fix them up.

Adventure/tristate +1. I've been to 4 countries in 7 tips to Africa. If it pays, it stays!

from the "Heartland of wyoming"