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New orders just dropped , campgrounds closed through 6/30 and zero camp fires either . not sure what camp fires has to do with the rona , but its just a matter of time before they shut them down entirely
I’m pretty sure the no fires is just because nobody wants to deal with forest fires and the zombie apocalypse at the same timeNew orders just dropped , campgrounds closed through 6/30 and zero camp fires either . not sure what camp fires has to do with the rona , but its just a matter of time before they shut them down entirely
Especially in the jemez lol.All forest roads were closed today in Jemez. They keep this up and someone will yank the gates open with a chain or cut the locks.
Especially in the jemez lol.
First of all , God be with those who are sick ,their families, and protect the rest of us that aren't .
I do agree, this is getting out of control. The state , meaning business and non essential workers are on track to resume business as usual on the first of May, but the camp grounds are closed until June 30? This is just screaming at me LIBERAL GOVERNMENT. If anyone with half a brain would look at this I think they'd agree that all forms of social lives in the cities should stay closed longer than the camp grounds . Bars, breweries, night clubs, movie theaters, zoos , festivals, etc. You get where I'm going. Makes no sense to me! Maybe it's me idk
All forest roads were closed today in Jemez. They keep this up and someone will yank the gates open with a chain or cut the locks.
Absolutely Mr Adam! Your %100 right! Every word ????Mayor of Farmington to open businesses back up. It's about time someone stands up for the economy. I'm not for spreading the virus but if big box stores, grocery stores can operate the small businesses should have the same opportunity. We should limit public exposure but with limits not complete shut downs.
Like Grisham shutting down locally owned plant nurseries here in abq but yet Lowes, Home depot can still sell items in thier garden dept.
Shutting Church's down but keeping abortion clinics open. This is corrupt. NM aborts around 347,000 each year alone. The left is so upside down.
The bible states in the end they will call good evil and evil good. Were in the end no doubt.
Also Calibers suppose to open despite MLG opposition on our 2nd ammendment. Good for Calibers.
Mayor of Farmington to open businesses back up. It's about time someone stands up for the economy. I'm not for spreading the virus but if big box stores, grocery stores can operate the small businesses should have the same opportunity. We should limit public exposure but with limits not complete shut downs.
Like Grisham shutting down locally owned plant nurseries here in abq but yet Lowes, Home depot can still sell items in thier garden dept.
Shutting Church's down but keeping abortion clinics open. This is corrupt. NM aborts around 347,000 each year alone. The left is so upside down.
The bible states in the end they will call good evil and evil good. Were in the end no doubt.
Also Calibers suppose to open despite MLG opposition on our 2nd ammendment. Good for Calibers.
I went up to hunt turkey like I do every year. Roads that are normally open were closed. Called Jemez forest district fo find out what's up and no one answer the phones and no recordings.Where did you hear the forest roads in the Jemez were closed? That could be a problem.
My wife’s a nurse practitioner. She puts her and my families health at risk every damn day fighting this virus. Y’all need to be glad you can sit around and complain about low morbidity rates and closed businesses. That means social distancing and the shut down has worked for your neck of the woods so far. You turn this beast loose in small town NM where you already have a struggling healthcare system you won’t have those same grips anymore I promise. Count your blessings. This isn’t a left or right issue it’s a public health issue, it’s too bad that OUR community can’t see it that way and there’s nothing but name calling and finger pointing for both sides. Bunch of ignorant babies fighting for control. It’s embarrassing. Look in the mirror. I come here to read about hunting not your opinions about abortions. Let’s keep it that way!!!
My wife’s a nurse practitioner. She puts her and my families health at risk every damn day fighting this virus. Y’all need to be glad you can sit around and complain about low morbidity rates and closed businesses. That means social distancing and the shut down has worked for your neck of the woods so far. You turn this beast loose in small town NM where you already have a struggling healthcare system you won’t have those same grips anymore I promise. Count your blessings. This isn’t a left or right issue it’s a public health issue, it’s too bad that OUR community can’t see it that way and there’s nothing but name calling and finger pointing for both sides. Bunch of ignorant babies fighting for control. It’s embarrassing. Look in the mirror. I come here to read about hunting not your opinions about abortions. Let’s keep it that way!!!
I went up to hunt turkey like I do every year. Roads that are normally open were closed. Called Jemez forest district fo find out what's up and no one answer the phones and no recordings.
And I'm a physician here in Lea County. Keep seeing people from Albuquerque coming down in their $300,000 rigs with their $18,000 RZRs to ride off road in the dunes between us and Roswell. Meanwhile I can't even go to my church with only 60 people in a county with no cases for weeks - no thanks to the governor not keeping that virus confined where she should. Gates are closed to wilderness areas, but the gate to Mcdonalds and Walmart are wide open? As stated earlier so someone can get their latte's. Social distancing yes, confinement - no - not in areas where the disease is not endemic. The shutdown is exactly why your wife is getting a paycut LOL. Shortages are starting to happen because of a lack of production But people can't see past the end of their fear to see the real dangersExactly this...my wife is a CRNA and I feel the same way. All while we have taken a pay cut bc of elective surgery cancellations...
If we are talking the Cuba district, the order has been in place since 2016.
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no Jemez districtIf we are talking the Cuba district, the order has been in place since 2016.
Great Depression 2.0What will be the ramifications of 20+ million unemployed and climbing...?
I doubt that's the reasoning...most are open no later that April 15th based on previous years.could the FR closures be due to the snow and wanting to keep them from getting rutted up until they dry out?
Lots of orders people don’t keep up with. How many knew it was illegal to posses alcohol or be naked?
There is no way for me to summarize the volume of scientific data I have read on this as a part of my day job.
On topic, closing forests can keep people from places with lots of cases and community spread from ending up in places without cases or community spread. I'm not advocating closing dispersed recreation on forests, for the record. However, US cases were brought here by people coming from areas with community spread, like China and Italy, most of these were US citizens without any restrictions on their travel, so this can happen internally as well, and little rural places could have 100% infection rate and little hospital infrastructure and end up with a 20% death rate.
Off topic, @Servehim: you need to look at Iceland's data, along with Italy's and Spain's, and realize that your 0.1% death rate is probably a 10x underestimate. Possibly even more. Also, it is not a blanket death rate, it increases quite a bit with age. Death IS inevitable, but most of the people dying weren't going to die this year and many not in the next 5-20 years. I don't know what you do for a living, but I don't have the luxury of complaining from home about my pocketbook. This is going to take a village, a concerted effort by all US citizens on the behalf of all US citizens. I'm tired of watching people die early, and I'm tired of intubating people in their 20s and 30s without any medical problems. And I'm tired of hearing people spout uninformed or misinformed opinions they heard from unreputable sources. "Stay in your lane."
Lastly, you'll see me hunting this fall, unless I die in the line of duty from this, but I'll be doing it in the safest way possible.
There is no way for me to summarize the volume of scientific data I have read on this as a part of my day job.
On topic, closing forests can keep people from places with lots of cases and community spread from ending up in places without cases or community spread. I'm not advocating closing dispersed recreation on forests, for the record. However, US cases were brought here by people coming from areas with community spread, like China and Italy, most of these were US citizens without any restrictions on their travel, so this can happen internally as well, and little rural places could have 100% infection rate and little hospital infrastructure and end up with a 20% death rate.
Off topic, @Servehim: you need to look at Iceland's data, along with Italy's and Spain's, and realize that your 0.1% death rate is probably a 10x underestimate. Possibly even more. Also, it is not a blanket death rate, it increases quite a bit with age. Death IS inevitable, but most of the people dying weren't going to die this year and many not in the next 5-20 years. I don't know what you do for a living, but I don't have the luxury of complaining from home about my pocketbook. This is going to take a village, a concerted effort by all US citizens on the behalf of all US citizens. I'm tired of watching people die early, and I'm tired of intubating people in their 20s and 30s without any medical problems. And I'm tired of hearing people spout uninformed or misinformed opinions they heard from unreputable sources. "Stay in your lane."
Lastly, you'll see me hunting this fall, unless I die in the line of duty from this, but I'll be doing it in the safest way possible.
It looks like it will be the average of those two guesses. Probably closer to the 1% if it was left unchecked from the beginning.Just curious sir if youre still so dogmatic in following the trolls telling Americans that this virus is the end of the world as we know it IF we don't bow down ???? Well Bluff , who is Closer ? My prediction of
.1 % or yours of 1% ( 10x factor) just the facts ma'am.
You never answered my question. What type of dr are you?Intubated one of the second wave of cases last night, letting a 44 year old (no health problems) who has been vented for 4 weeks die this morning. Front line work is a *****. 60K deaths, doesn't affect you now? It will. Aren't scared? Apparently not, but you will be. You will be.
I dont hurt like you might assume, no one I know personally has died, just a bunch of strangers, but every one of them had people who loved them. We need a functioning food supply, and having money to keep up even the bare-bones life we once had is important, but when your family and friends start dying because we needed to work for morale reasons like Georgia is proposing, I'm not going to be able to do much more than shrug. Huge segment of society is relatively insulated from this, but that naivity is going to quickly disappear as people go back to work. The poor will shoulder the burden of both the disease and the economics of social distancing, but a rich business owner dies about the same way as a grocery stocker or a butcher, already seen both.
The poor will shoulder the burden of both the disease and the economics of social distancing, but a rich business owner dies about the same way as a grocery stocker or a butcher, already seen both.
And you still avoid my question.....I dont hurt like you might assume, no one I know personally has died, just a bunch of strangers, but every one of them had people who loved them. We need a functioning food supply, and having money to keep up even the bare-bones life we once had is important, but when your family and friends start dying because we needed to work for morale reasons like Georgia is proposing, I'm not going to be able to do much more than shrug. Huge segment of society is relatively insulated from this, but that naivity is going to quickly disappear as people go back to work. The poor will shoulder the burden of both the disease and the economics of social distancing, but a rich business owner dies about the same way as a grocery stocker or a butcher, already seen both.
BluffGruff,
Many seem to forget that their physical health is their most valuable earthly asset. I've seen many very rich and very poor men and women die under the same conditions. This virus doesn't care how rich or poor you are.
I'll admitted that I've suffered from PTSD from things I've seen working in health care. It doesn't compare to the PTSD that some of our combat veterans deal with but seeing people die does cause a degree of mental stress. Over time you become more numb to it but once and a while I still come across a situation that is particularly disturbing.
Unfortunately, I don't think we are going to get to go back to normal until we get a vaccine for this. That could take a couple years. I'm optimistic that things will get better over the next couple months but I think this is going to be particularly hard couple years for nursing homes and health care workers. At least the NM governor is becoming a little more logical by loosing some of the restrictions that did very little or nothing to prevent spread of COVID.
Even though I many not agree with some of your ideas on how to deal with this, I hope you stay safe and healthy through all this mess.
The main goal of flattening the curve was to slow the spread of the virus so that hospitals are not overwhelmed. Flattening the curve with our social distancing measures will not reduce the number of people infected, it just spreads out the infections over a greater period of time. If the extra time allows us to discover better treatments, then the severity of the illness for some people and death rate could be mitigated.
Flattening the curve is a buzz phrase used by people where the thing of threat can be isolated and maintained on a much more manageable level, such as a state, a county, a city. Not an entire nation. It's better to rip the band-aid off quickly rather than slowly. Medical people signed up for the profession and knew what could happen in times like these. Medical people being "overworked" right now (like the rest of us are during times of emergency in our industries) are a result of failed public policy.
The inherent problem with MLG's very incompetent and misguided measures are that they are keeping people in close contact with one another, and exposing those in the "hotspots" for a longer duration. The best preventive measure right now is a lot of outside time in the sun.
The NW corner of the state is being held hostage right now because of the reservation. That is a fact and it cannot be disputed.
All of us are getting tired of hearing phrases like "flattening the curve" and "social distancing".
Medical people are not getting "overworked" right now. That is a one of the biggest lies being spread by the media. Most medical people are actually getting underworked right now. I know many doctors, nurses and others that are working very little or who have being "temporarily laid off" because elective procedures have been postponed. I have a coworker that flew into New York last month to help with the COVID crisis there. A day after arriving, they told him, they no longer needed him and bought him a plane ticket home. Any healthcare worker that is working excessively during this crisis is choosing to do so. Private healthcare workers are not in the military and they can't mandate us to work more hours than we are contracted to. They can always quit their job if they think they are being overworked or don't have adequate PPE (masks, gowns, face shields, etc) People in healthcare can end up working very hard some days but so do people that work on farms, construction, restaurant industry, etc. I've had my share of "bad shifts" over the years but none of them hold a candle to what many of our combat veterans have done for their job.
I completely agree with you that we need to "rip the bandaid off". It made sense to have temporary social distancing restrictions in places like New York. I think some minor restrictions or recommendations in NM and other Western State would have been more than adequate. I do think the Navajo Nation is more vulnerable to this virus but any restrictions in NW NM should be up to the Navajo people, not MLG. Native Americans should be even less trusting of some that says "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." As long as hospitals have room for additional patients, we should relax the restrictions.
We should be all very thankful for MLG because she is now allowing golf, limited retail and some of the state parks to open. We should all forget about the harm to the mental health, personal freedoms, education and the economy that these restrictions have caused. It will be interesting to see if Swedens plan results in the same infection rate and death rate as other similar countries.
Isn't it nice that she targeted liquor stores around the reservations to be closed? Could you imagine how racist that would have been if a Republican governor had done it? I guess it can't be racist because it was tribal leaders that asked for it.
The news reports were saying the state was forcing the liquor stores that boarder the reservations to shut down. I haven't been to that part of the state since last year so I have no first hand knowledge of what is going on there. I wouldn't be surprised if Navajo Lake State Park stays shut down for a while. I was disappointed that Elephant Butte State Park remains closed but Caballo is open. Caballo and other lakes will be more crowded this weekend since Navajo and Elephant Butte are closed.
I shouldn't be surprised on how many people will give up their freedoms so government will take care of them. That is how dictators like Stalin and Hitler were able to gain so much power.
If we really want to save lives then there are other things the government could do like restricting what everyone is allowed to eat.
Opens a road you don't want to go down...
We need to put our trust in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. We need our leaders to be believers. That is what is wrong with our world today.
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