Not sure why you guys even read this stuff. Grizz has all the answers. Stop reading crap!!Fauci was warned that COVID-19 may have been ‘engineered,’ emails show
Dr. Anthony Fauci was warned that the coronavirus had possibly been “engineered” and appeared to be taking reports about it seriously.nypost.com
Haha. The way that some people will put a random person that they'd never heard of before on a pedestal (as long as they'll say what that person wants to hear) is hilariously comical.
Fauci has been Director of NIAID since President Reagan in 1984, and was given the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President George W Bush in 2008, but some random guy at his kitchen table is now the preeminent opinion to be repeated on social media? I could post videos of hundreds of acclaimed scientists and doctors praising Fauci, but the far-right is constantly looking for something to support their narrative... no matter how nominal and obscure.
The far-right decided months ago to attack and scapegoat Fauci and, like lemmings, their followers have regurgitated what they're told to say.
I can watch FNC and within a day or two it's being repeated on this site. It's quite sad.
So did Rush Limbaugh, Jim Jordan, and Devin Nunes, the point was about who appointed him and who bestowed it (both Republicans)... not the award itself.Might want to go read those emails for yourself.
Btw, Mickey Mouse, Tiger Woods, and Oprah also got medal of freedom. So, not much of a point there.
There's a reason they are on Faucci, and not the others. He funded the research, lied about mask efficacy, lied about origin, and lied about the source.
So did Rush Limbaugh, Jim Jordan, and Devin Nunes, the point was about who appointed him and who bestowed it (both Republicans)... not the award itself.
You have so much incorrect in your last paragraph it's not worth going over, but I'll say this since it's such a gimme and the mask line is so overplayed on the far-right.
The infamous time that Fauci said masks shouldn't be "worn walking around" was only 12 days after Trump said of infections in America, “You have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.” How'd history play out on that one? That's also from the same guy that was getting ready to promote injecting UV and disinfectant into people's bodies.
At that time in history, early 2020, there were so few cases that masks were not useful for the average person walking their neighborhood. We then hit a point that masks were more crucial for caregivers with their noses in the face of known-infected patients than the guy waiting in line at Maverik.
My point is this... timeline and context matter and your final paragraph is completely devoid of that.
I did. Fauci said that science points to a natural origin. Peter says thanks for saying that publicly and Rand Paul says it's evidence of a cover-up. It's not.So, you DIDNT READ the emails. Proven by the point your trying to interject some story. GO READ THEM.
And btw, BuzzFeed has them, not exactly FNC
I did. Fauci said that science points to a natural origin. Peter says thanks for saying that publicly and Rand Paul says it's evidence of a cover-up. It's not.
Here's an analogy, if you say something on MM and I come on and say I agree with you so you send me a PM thanking me for coming to your side... that doesn't mean we're conspiring or that what you said wasn't true. It just means that you thanked me for saying it. Paul is making a connection that doesn't exist.
When NIAID gives a $600k grant to a virology lab to study coronaviruses in humans, that doesn't mean Fauci paid to make the virus. That means NIAID was prescient in being aware of the threat of coronaviruses spreading to humans.
Here's what Fauci said, verbatim, when asked on a natural origin, "I am not convinced about that. I think we should continue to investigate what went on in China until we continue to find out to the best of our ability what happened.
"Certainly, the people who investigated it say it likely was the emergence from an animal reservoir that then infected individuals, but it could have been something else, and we need to find that out. So, you know, that's the reason why I said I'm perfectly in favor of any investigation that looks into the origin of the virus."
Even if it did come from a lab, there's no evidence it was weaponized or intentional. If it was, let all hell break loose!
Those are just two examples of the BS that so many are buying into. But, of course, 23% of Republicans say, "the government, media, and financial worlds in the U.S. are controlled by a group of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run a global child sex trafficking operation."
Now they're saying Trump will be "reinstated" in August (Just a hint for the believers here, that's not a thing and won't happen).
Like I said, I'm constantly amazed what people will believe if it's what they want to hear.
You make Fauci's point perfectly. Early on there wasn't yet data on mask effectiveness.If he truly is a scientist then he should know better then to open his mouth w/o data!!
Two weeks ago we read the CDC guidance on schools, was WRITTEN BY THE NEA. Last week we read Faucci wasn't convinced the virus didn't come from the lab in Wuhan. This week we read another NIH scientist is concerned the NIH funded this virus. We read IN FAUCCIS EMAILS, that Jan 2020 the genome doesn't match a naturally occurring virus. Then we read, Faucci OWN EMAIL that drugstore masks don't work. Followed by , HIM WRITTING A BOOK.
At what point does Grizz look at facts, and say, "yeah, at best the dude is incompetent. At worst he is criminal"?
I did. If I cared to educate you I could show you the exact emails that say those parts. I could also show you where Trump says he knows it's a very dangerous virus but wants to downplay it. Who's incompetent or criminal?Your quoting testimony. Not HIS OWN EMAILS.
GO READ THEM
I did. If I cared to educate you I could show you the exact emails that say those parts. I could also show you where Trump says he knows it's a very dangerous virus but wants to downplay it. Who's incompetent or criminal?
Let's whip out your data-backed righteous indignation equally and you could be taken more seriously as somebody with real concerns and not somebody looking to scapegoat one person while protecting his boss.
PS. Fauci only has one "c" and "writting" isn't a word. Also, it's "you're" in your second email.
Seriously? You're trying to bring in Big Tech now?And, can anyone explain why Faucci and Zuckerberg have redacted emails?
Seriously? You're trying to bring in Big Tech now?
Okay, you and I have had some good discussions over the years and I appreciate that we've always been able to refrain from a lot of the personal attack BS that goes on here. I mean that seriously, I feel like we could grab lunch and have a good time.
But I really don't care to try and rebut every conspiracy theory on MM. We both know neither of us is going to change the other's mind, so I'm going to go watch the Jazz game.
Have a good one, I'll catch you on the next entertaining thread ??
I hear watching the Jazz is racist. That's what I heard!!Seriously? You're trying to bring in Big Tech now?
Okay, you and I have had some good discussions over the years and I appreciate that we've always been able to refrain from a lot of the personal attack BS that goes on here. I mean that seriously, I feel like we could grab lunch and have a good time.
But I really don't care to try and rebut every conspiracy theory on MM. We both know neither of us is going to change the other's mind, so I'm going to go watch the Jazz game.
Have a good one, I'll catch you on the next entertaining thread ??
Sorry, just one more....
Fauci: Email on CCP Covering Up Coronavirus Deaths 'Too Long' to Read
Anthony Fauci received an email regarding information about the coronavirus, to which he responded the email was "too long for me to read."www.breitbart.com
watching the jazz game is infrastructureI hear watching the Jazz is racist. That's what I heard!!
So did Rush Limbaugh, Jim Jordan, and Devin Nunes, the point was about who appointed him and who bestowed it (both Republicans)... not the award itself.
You have so much incorrect in your last paragraph it's not worth going over, but I'll say this since it's such a gimme and the mask line is so overplayed on the far-right.
The infamous time that Fauci said masks shouldn't be "worn walking around" was only 12 days after Trump said of infections in America, “You have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.” How'd history play out on that one? That's also from the same guy that was getting ready to promote injecting UV and disinfectant into people's bodies.
At that time in history, early 2020, there were so few cases that masks were not useful for the average person walking their neighborhood. We then hit a point that masks were more crucial for caregivers with their noses in the face of known-infected patients than the guy waiting in line at Maverik.
My point is this... timeline and context matter and your final paragraph is completely devoid of that.
Of course I made money off the pandemic. If you weren't smart enough to make some investment maneuvers when this was spreading, you probably need to reconsider everything you think you know. That was an extremely transparent move to make.of course......he is a vac investor
....that we tax payers are over paying for and filling lots of pockets....probably grizz's too
If you want to have a fact-based discussion, I'm all in. Let's talk.How come when it comes to discussing facts, folks just stop talking and run away?
Rich
Grizz, explain why Fauci was vaccinated, yet still double masking. You think he truly believed he was in danger, or did he possibly have another agenda?Of course I made money off the pandemic. If you weren't smart enough to make some investment maneuvers when this was spreading, you probably need to reconsider everything you think you know. That was an extremely transparent move to make.
I look forward to your next post here directing your "over paying" ire at the Trump Administration who signed all those checks to Big Pharma.
If you want to have a fact-based discussion, I'm all in. Let's talk.
However, if you want to dance around with smoke-and-mirror posts of alt-media conspiracy theories, unsubstantiated and disproven claims, thoughtless memes, and one-sided finger pointing... then it's going to have to be done in an echo chamber because it's boring to me and I don't care to respond. I'll simply wait for something entertaining with which to get involved.
Love rand Paul. We need more like himIt’s so insane that anyone can still support Fauci. Watch the Rand Paul videos on YouTube, if you can’t tell what a liar is by watching fauci skirt around direct questions then Jesus there is no hope for you. Did Fauci help create this virus on purpose? No I don’t think so, but the fact that these arrogant scientist created this mess with game of function research and they are now pushing and profiting off this vaccine makes me feel sick to my stomach.
Like every other Democrat I try to have a conversation with. They absolutely hate factsGrizz doesn’t like facts. He has said before he chooses not to read or educate himself on facts. So it’s not surprising that he pulled out when the facts were presented.
I have no idea. I've never spoken to the man. I do think they were being extra cautious with masking until they knew whether a vaccinated person could infect others even though they were immune themselves. I also think they were probably trying to set a good example knowing that masks were politicized and if Fauci was filmed without a mask, it would be used as fodder by those claiming it was hypocritical for him to be recommending masks if he didn't wear one himself. Now he's getting questions for wearing a mask. Some people are too funny.Grizz, explain why Fauci was vaccinated, yet still double masking. You think he truly believed he was in danger, or did he possibly have another agenda?
Please respond, I'm genuinely curious to see what you think.
That's an absolute lie. I've often said it is ridiculous that the far-right is proud that they refuse to read media they don't agree with. My home page is literally FNC. I'll go head-to-head with anybody here on facts, I literally just said that in #43. You should be ashamed of yourself for slandering somebody on a hunting forum. You should delete your post.Grizz doesn’t like facts. He has said before he chooses not to read or educate himself on facts. So it’s not surprising that he pulled out when the facts were presented.
Why wear a mask and be vaccinated?I have no idea. I've never spoken to the man. I do think they were being extra cautious with masking until they knew whether a vaccinated person could infect others even though they were immune themselves. I also think they were probably trying to set a good example knowing that masks were politicized and if Fauci was filmed without a mask, it would be used as fodder by those claiming it was hypocritical for him to be recommending masks if he didn't wear one himself. Now he's getting questions for wearing a mask. Some people are too funny.
That's an absolute lie. I've often said it is ridiculous that the far-right is proud that they refuse to read media they don't agree with. My home page is literally FNC. I'll go head-to-head with anybody here on facts, I literally just said that in #43. You should be ashamed of yourself for slandering somebody on a hunting forum. You should delete your post.
News Flash - Regardless of what the media tells you, LeBron James' geopolitical opinions about a private company or another country aren't facts. Here's another one for you... I don't care to read Steph Curry's Twitter feed either. Or Lance Armstrong's. They can say what they want, that doesn't make it true, a fact, or relevant or newsworthy.Wait, wasn’t it you that said you chose not to read or educate yourself about LeBron James when we were talking about the NBA and their China connections?
And now it looks like your not reading the Fauci emails that are coming to light. You just want to regurgitate things that Trump said.
There certainly is some “smoke and mirrors “. From you. But like I’ve said before, you’re entitled to your opinions, even if they aren’t “facts”. Have a good night.
And the data that's been mentioned above now proves that assumption correct and the CDC adjusted the guidelines.Why wear a mask and be vaccinated?
Far leftist also refuse to read media they don't agree with. Anyone with a brain can think for themselves and see what's bs. To bad the lefties made covid so damn political.
No, it doesn't fix anything. It just makes people get into compliance.So?
Double Masking with .19 Cent Masks that are MADE IN F'N CHINA Fixes Everything?
GEEZUS!
Same could be said for your posts on MM. I am sure there are quite a few of us on MM that have several degrees beyond a high school diploma, but you come on here and always assume you are the smartest in the room on every subject.News Flash - Regardless of what the media tells you, LeBron James' geopolitical opinions about a private company or another country aren't facts. Here's another one for you... I don't care to read Steph Curry's Twitter feed either. Or Lance Armstrong's. They can say what they want, that doesn't make it true, a fact, or relevant or newsworthy.
Hoss grizzs brain cells are lacking oxygen from wearing 2 masks to think clearlyI also think they were probably trying to set a good example knowing that masks were politicized and if Fauci was filmed without a mask, it would be used as fodder by those claiming it was hypocritical for him to be recommending masks if he didn't wear one himself. Now he's getting questions for wearing a mask. Some people are too funny. -Grizz
So when I or others say(Rand Paul), the masks were political theater, you call us "conspiracy theorists". Yet you point out, that the HEAD OF NIH, the greatest doctor ever in America, who is privy to ALL the cutting edge research, data, etc, wore a mask to "set a good example", or because it would be used as "fodder". Not because as the greatest scientist in the country, he knew the science, and the SCIENCE showed it completely assinine to wear a mask after vaccination, but because...........wait for it.........THEATER.
It's not a conspiracy theory to read his words(or yours), and simply repeat them.
If you think "conspiracy theorist" was ever referring to mask wearing becoming political, you're about ten steps behind. The thing is I know you're smarter than that, you're just trying to bounce around between subjects hoping to score a point. In no way is that "repeating" my words, it's making up new ones.I also think they were probably trying to set a good example knowing that masks were politicized and if Fauci was filmed without a mask, it would be used as fodder by those claiming it was hypocritical for him to be recommending masks if he didn't wear one himself. Now he's getting questions for wearing a mask. Some people are too funny. -Grizz
So when I or others say(Rand Paul), the masks were political theater, you call us "conspiracy theorists". Yet you point out, that the HEAD OF NIH, the greatest doctor ever in America, who is privy to ALL the cutting edge research, data, etc, wore a mask to "set a good example", or because it would be used as "fodder". Not because as the greatest scientist in the country, he knew the science, and the SCIENCE showed it completely assinine to wear a mask after vaccination, but because...........wait for it.........THEATER.
It's not a conspiracy theory to read his words(or yours), and simply repeat them.
Hoss grizzs brain cells are lacking oxygen from wearing 2 masks to think clearly
Three, one of himself...Not according to super spreader Grizzly. He needs to urinate around his wall tent. Me think he has 2 murals in his teepee. One of Obama and one of Fauci
If you think "conspiracy theorist" was ever referring to mask wearing becoming political, you're about ten steps behind. The thing is I know you're smarter than that, you're just trying to bounce around between subjects hoping to score a point. In no way is that "repeating" my words, it's making up new ones.
And then you've got Kurt S trying to catch up, but with nothing to say except personal attacks. So sad.
Feb. 2020, Fauci is on national TV telling people it's safe to go to the Superbowl
My point is this... timeline and context matter
Remember when I said...
On February 20, 2020, the USA reported it's 16th case of COVID. That's it, 16!
Would you have rather we cancel the Super Bowl at that point? It likely was VERY safe for the average American to go to a football game in Feb. 2020; there simply wasn't the spread. Just like it was safe to not wear masks at that point.
I'm done with the back and forth here, but that's just another super easy example of you overlooking timeline and context trying to score a point or bolster your argument.
??? Super Bowl 2020 was on February 2nd. The case number I gave you above, 16, was February 20th, more than two weeks after the Super Bowl.Ummm, how many cases were there 2weeks after the Superbowl? The millions of positive cases since then, KINDA SHOW just how wrong and dangerous he was then. Can't have it both ways
Like I said above, you keep bouncing around trying to score a point.Should we discuss his criticism of closing China travel? Despite knowing the origin?
I don't ever remember saying NEVER as I typically try and avoid definitives. But, there wasn't a nationwide lockdown. I went to work every day and you probably did too. I didn't see the Marines walking the streets keeping people in their homes. Did I miss that?Btw, I haven't forgot when you told me the government would NEVER lock down citizens nationwide when I responded to the first lockdown in Sacramento. Seems your compass is off on this one.
It feels like the wheels are starting to come off. There seems to be a shift on the info coming out.
How Amateur Sleuths Broke the Wuhan Lab Story and Embarrassed the Media
The people responsible for bringing the Wuhan lab-leak story to light are not journalists or spies or scientists. They are a group of amateur sleuths, with few resources except curiosity and a willingness to spend days combing the internet for clues.www.newsweek.com
I suggest you research Fauci and how he handled HIV/AIDS. He should have been removed from his position decades ago.
How is Fauci political?I thought the political forum was deleted. This topic sucks for The Campfire
Yup, it wasn't an accidental release.Fauci is definitely going down. The powers that be don’t grant the FOIA & release the emails if they don’t want him gone or think his continued presence hurts the administration politically
I sure do miss that BAD man!yeah yeah....I know...orange man BAD....but....his instincts on human behavior are spot on....
But your still reading it? SmhI thought the political forum was deleted. This topic sucks for The Campfire
Most people who voted doI sure do miss that BAD man!
Maybe it is. I got the feeling he is trolling as well.I like Grizz. Honesty I do. Someday I wonder if he's trolling, or if he didn't do the research, and got caught and tries to spin wildly to avoid admitting it.
Funny, one of the emails discusses the negative health effects of wearing a mask longer than 4hrs straight, so maybe that's the issue?
He's not trolling.....he's a true believerMaybe it is. I got the feeling he is trolling as well.
Maybe it is. I got the feeling he is trolling as well.
Says the guy who chooses to live in CA but says he’s a hunter ?Not sure why you guys even read this stuff. Grizz has all the answers. Stop reading crap!!
Paul is also a Doctor don't forget that.It’s so insane that anyone can still support Fauci. Watch the Rand Paul videos on YouTube, if you can’t tell what a liar is by watching fauci skirt around direct questions then Jesus there is no hope for you. Did Fauci help create this virus on purpose? No I don’t think so, but the fact that these arrogant scientist created this mess with game of function research and they are now pushing and profiting off this vaccine makes me feel sick to my stomach.
Does that automatically make him correct? Because so are Anthony Fauci and Chris Duntsch.Paul is also a Doctor don't forget that.
It would be libel, not slander, since it is written and not spoken.I have no idea. I've never spoken to the man. I do think they were being extra cautious with masking until they knew whether a vaccinated person could infect others even though they were immune themselves. I also think they were probably trying to set a good example knowing that masks were politicized and if Fauci was filmed without a mask, it would be used as fodder by those claiming it was hypocritical for him to be recommending masks if he didn't wear one himself. Now he's getting questions for wearing a mask. Some people are too funny.
That's an absolute lie. I've often said it is ridiculous that the far-right is proud that they refuse to read media they don't agree with. My home page is literally FNC. I'll go head-to-head with anybody here on facts, I literally just said that in #43. You should be ashamed of yourself for slandering somebody on a hunting forum. You should delete your post.