Muley freak busted again

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Ticks N Tines said:
He went to court a few years ago for an Utah case. He ended up getting away on that one as well due to an error in the paperwork by the DWR (from what I hear). Claimed he was going through a bad divorce or something and was stressed out. Paid lots of money to his attorney and they bailed him out somehow. That's the rumors anyway, don't quote me on it.
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Ok, just wondering because you said you wondered if he would take to IG to explain his latest case, which is the exact case all the IG vids have been about. Why I was very confused, I thought there might have been another case from this past season besides the Idaho one
 
andrew12gauge said:
Ok, just wondering because you said you wondered if he would take to IG to explain his latest case, which is the exact case all the IG vids have been about. Why I was very confused, I thought there might have been another case from this past season besides the Idaho one
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Then again I see my own reading comprehension isn’t that great and you had said “last case” where as I saw “latest case”, carry on
 
Ticks N Tines said:
He went to court a few years ago for a Utah case. He ended up getting away on that one as well due to a error in the paperwork by the DWR (from what I hear). Claimed he was going through a bad divorce or something and was stressed out. Paid lots of money to his attorney and they bailed him out somehow. That's the rumors anyway, don't quote me on it.
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So if you watch the wildlife board hearing on his Utah case there is something that saved Muley Freak. It was that Kevin guy that has access to the property who butchered the case. He kept calling the CO and pushing that a Erik was charged to the fullest. Had that guy STFU and let court handle it he probably would have lost his hunting rights.
 
wstrntines said:
So if you watch the wildlife board hearing on his Utah case there is something that saved Muley Freak. It was that Kevin guy that has access to the property who butchered the case. He kept calling the CO and pushing that a Erik was charged to the fullest. Had that guy STFU and let court handle it he probably would have lost his hunting rights.
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That "Kevin guy" as you have mentioned above is me. Yep, I'm the Kevin guy. Interesting you think you have all the info, info about me calling the CO and this and that. I'm fairly confident you don't have much of a clue.

BTW, he did loose his hunting privileges for a period of time. He pled quilty in Court, was sentenced and paid his fine.

The Utah charges were misdemeanors.

Idaho is a felony. Much different.

Kevin
 
Robin_Hood said:
That "Kevin guy" as you have mentioned above is me. Yep, I'm the Kevin guy. Interesting you think you have all the info, info about me calling the CO and this and that. I'm fairly confident you don't have much of a clue.

BTW, he did loose his hunting privileges for a period of time. He pled quilty in Court, was sentenced and paid his fine.

The Utah charges were misdemeanors.

Idaho is a felony. Much different.

Kevin
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Did he trespass in Utah? He sure did. And you caught him. In the wildlife hearing didn’t you admit to contacting the CO after the trespassing? Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t he get his hunting rights reinstated early? If he’s guilty in Idaho I hope he gets a felony. Because it looks like he thinks he’s a victim and needs to be held accountable. Also to be fair I also don’t buy the BS of his On-X maps having issues when you caught him.
 
Robin_Hood said:
That "Kevin guy" as you have mentioned above is me. Yep, I'm the Kevin guy. Interesting you think you have all the info, info about me calling the CO and this and that. I'm fairly confident you don't have much of a clue.

BTW, he did loose his hunting privileges for a period of time. He pled quilty in Court, was sentenced and paid his fine.

The Utah charges were misdemeanors.

Idaho is a felony. Much different.

Kevin
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Can you elaborate a bit on the video they posted? Were they mainly hunting on the land you manage? I know the video isn't available any longer and hasn't been for quite a while.
 
wstrntines said:
Did he trespass in Utah? He sure did. And you caught him. In the wildlife hearing didn’t you admit to contacting the CO after the trespassing? Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t he get his hunting rights reinstated early? If he’s guilty in Idaho I hope he gets a felony. Because it looks like he thinks he’s a victim and needs to be held accountable. Also to be fair I also don’t buy the BS of his On-X maps having issues when you caught him.
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Are you inferring that his suspension was reduced because I contacted the CO after the trespassing? I'm not quit sure what point you're trying to make?

You are correct, he trespassed in Utah. Was caught and warned in one year, then caught again in 2017. You are correct I contacted the Division CO after I caught him and correct again that I contacted the CO several times after that. That's what someone does when they have evidence that needs to be given to the Prosecuting Attorney. I worked through the channels I was instructed to work through.

(3) class B misdemeanors were issued from Summit County Court.

He pled guilty to (2), the third was dropped. This was viewed as a "win" for the court system, anytime you can get a guilty plea, that's a win.

He was sentenced in the court system. Part of that sentencing was the removal of the video that was posted, essentially detailing the trespassing.

Once the guilty plea in the Court system, then the Division can start their process. With the guilty plea on 2 counts. Suspension of hunting "privileges" process can start. The first procedure is the Division can suspend the privileges. He received a 22 month suspension from the Division. Then an appeal can happen before the Wildlife Board. It was requested and granted for a "de novo" hearing. Meaning a "do over" or "anew". After the day of testimony, the Wildlife Board issued a 24 month suspension. It wasn't until the State and DA office stepped in as a result of the threat of a suit that it was reduced from 24 months down to 16.

Hope that clarifies your concerns.
"that Kevin guy".
 
Robin_Hood said:
Are you inferring that his suspension was reduced because I contacted the CO after the trespassing? I'm not quit sure what point you're trying to make?

You are correct, he trespassed in Utah. Was caught and warned in one year, then caught again in 2017. You are correct I contacted the Division CO after I caught him and correct again that I contacted the CO several times after that. That's what someone does when they have evidence that needs to be given to the Prosecuting Attorney. I worked through the channels I was instructed to work through.

(3) class B misdemeanors were issued from Summit County Court.

He pled guilty to (2), the third was dropped. This was viewed as a "win" for the court system, anytime you can get a guilty plea, that's a win.

He was sentenced in the court system. Part of that sentencing was the removal of the video that was posted, essentially detailing the trespassing.

Once the guilty plea in the Court system, then the Division can start their process. With the guilty plea on 2 counts. Suspension of hunting "privileges" process can start. The first procedure is the Division can suspend the privileges. He received a 22 month suspension from the Division. Then an appeal can happen before the Wildlife Board. It was requested and granted for a "de novo" hearing. Meaning a "do over" or "anew". After the day of testimony, the Wildlife Board issued a 24 month suspension. It wasn't until the State and DA office stepped in as a result of the threat of a suit that it was reduced from 24 months down to 16.

Hope that clarifies your concerns.
"that Kevin guy".
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Facts matter...

Thank you.
 
wstrntines said:
Also to be fair I also don’t buy the BS of his On-X maps having issues when you caught him.
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I have no idea if onX messed up with this guy's case but I can tell you that OnX screws up all the time where I hunt. Put me on someone else's property again this year. DO NOT COUNT ON ONX.
 
Tristate said:
I have no idea if onX messed up with this guy's case but I can tell you that OnX screws up all the time where I hunt. Put me on someone else's property again this year. DO NOT COUNT ON ONX.
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Should have read the ONX disclaimer...and they can't account for user error either.

I use ONX a ton in ID, MT, WY, CO, AZ, NV, UT and I've never had a single issue or been on someone elses property.
 
BuzzH said:
Should have read the ONX disclaimer...and they can't account for user error either.

I use ONX a ton in ID, MT, WY, CO, AZ, NV, UT and I've never had a single issue or been on someone elses property.
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That's the joy of ignorance.
 
Robin_Hood said:
Are you inferring that his suspension was reduced because I contacted the CO after the trespassing? I'm not quit sure what point you're trying to make?

You are correct, he trespassed in Utah. Was caught and warned in one year, then caught again in 2017. You are correct I contacted the Division CO after I caught him and correct again that I contacted the CO several times after that. That's what someone does when they have evidence that needs to be given to the Prosecuting Attorney. I worked through the channels I was instructed to work through.

(3) class B misdemeanors were issued from Summit County Court.

He pled guilty to (2), the third was dropped. This was viewed as a "win" for the court system, anytime you can get a guilty plea, that's a win.

He was sentenced in the court system. Part of that sentencing was the removal of the video that was posted, essentially detailing the trespassing.

Once the guilty plea in the Court system, then the Division can start their process. With the guilty plea on 2 counts. Suspension of hunting "privileges" process can start. The first procedure is the Division can suspend the privileges. He received a 22 month suspension from the Division. Then an appeal can happen before the Wildlife Board. It was requested and granted for a "de novo" hearing. Meaning a "do over" or "anew". After the day of testimony, the Wildlife Board issued a 24 month suspension. It wasn't until the State and DA office stepped in as a result of the threat of a suit that it was reduced from 24 months down to 16.

Hope that clarifies your concerns.
"that Kevin guy".
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It really surprised me at the Wild life board appeal that Eriks lawyers even had his lead
character witness attend. Guy has a long history that makes the ginga ninja muley freak look like an Alter boy. His meth lab convictions make his wildlife improprieties look pretty insignificant imo. Hopefully they learned their lesson, they feel entitled to hunt on whom ever they want on the west side of the county and use those annoying E bikes to manipulate the whole trail system to trespass. Good on you and the land owner for pushing for the conviction.
 
Tristate said:
That's the joy of ignorance.
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In AZ, you have to knowingly trespass. Now, if it's posted, or if a legally responsible person informs you, or if it's in town with a structure on it, then it's illegal.

Even a fence is not a reason for trespass. Heck, every dang BLM and NF section in AZ has fences. The rules above apply for any reasonable place you hunt.

I don't know other state's laws, but it seems pretty diligent to use an app, look for signs, and behave accordingly. No ignorance issues at play.

I'll be sure to stay away from hunting in Texas though...
 
Robin_Hood said:
Are you inferring that his suspension was reduced because I contacted the CO after the trespassing? I'm not quit sure what point you're trying to make?

You are correct, he trespassed in Utah. Was caught and warned in one year, then caught again in 2017. You are correct I contacted the Division CO after I caught him and correct again that I contacted the CO several times after that. That's what someone does when they have evidence that needs to be given to the Prosecuting Attorney. I worked through the channels I was instructed to work through.

(3) class B misdemeanors were issued from Summit County Court.

He pled guilty to (2), the third was dropped. This was viewed as a "win" for the court system, anytime you can get a guilty plea, that's a win.

He was sentenced in the court system. Part of that sentencing was the removal of the video that was posted, essentially detailing the trespassing.

Once the guilty plea in the Court system, then the Division can start their process. With the guilty plea on 2 counts. Suspension of hunting "privileges" process can start. The first procedure is the Division can suspend the privileges. He received a 22 month suspension from the Division. Then an appeal can happen before the Wildlife Board. It was requested and granted for a "de novo" hearing. Meaning a "do over" or "anew". After the day of testimony, the Wildlife Board issued a 24 month suspension. It wasn't until the State and DA office stepped in as a result of the threat of a suit that it was reduced from 24 months down to 16.

Hope that clarifies your concerns.
"that Kevin guy".
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Wouldn’t you just talk with the prosecuting attorney. Why would you reach out to the CO. Wouldn’t he get a hold of you if he needed something.
 
BuzzH said:
Should have read the ONX disclaimer...and they can't account for user error either.

I use ONX a ton in ID, MT, WY, CO, AZ, NV, UT and I've never had a single issue or been on someone elses property.
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Same here, never had a problem with ONX. Use it in many states both with cell service and downloaded maps for areas without service. I've checked it many times against surveyed corners and property lines and its damn accurate!
 
Tristate said:
I have no idea if onX messed up with this guy's case but I can tell you that OnX screws up all the time where I hunt. Put me on someone else's property again this year. DO NOT COUNT ON ONX.
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Yea we have all heard that argument before. Last time I heard that one was from a guy arguing that all private land should have a 100 yd buffer zone which nobody can enter because OnX is so inaccurate.
 
andrew12gauge said:
Yea we have all heard that argument before. Last time I heard that one was from a guy arguing that all private land should have a 100 yd buffer zone which nobody can enter because OnX is so inaccurate.
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What argument?

I'm not arguing anything. I'm not defending anything. I'm telling you what I have seen with my own eyes. I'm not protecting anyone or giving excuses. I am warning yall not to count on OnX.

You can think it works great right up until you are busted by some landowner or warden and the internet army yells for you to loose your job and hunting privileges. Relying on a phone app to keep you legal is foolish. Thinking the anti-hunters on MM will understand is plain stupid.
 
Tristate said:
What argument?

I'm not arguing anything. I'm not defending anything. I'm telling you what I have seen with my own eyes. I'm not protecting anyone or giving excuses. I am warning yall not to count on OnX.

You can think it works great right up until you are busted by some landowner or warden and the internet army yells for you to loose your job and hunting privileges. Relying on a phone app to keep you legal is foolish. Thinking the anti-hunters on MM will understand is plain stupid.
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*lose
 
Tristate said:
What argument?

I'm not arguing anything. I'm not defending anything. I'm telling you what I have seen with my own eyes. I'm not protecting anyone or giving excuses. I am warning yall not to count on OnX.

You can think it works great right up until you are busted by some landowner or warden and the internet army yells for you to loose your job and hunting privileges. Relying on a phone app to keep you legal is foolish. Thinking the anti-hunters on MM will understand is plain stupid.
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…so what do you recommend we as hunters do? Hire a survey crew to verify parcel property lines?

If OnX shows a rancher‘s fence is off 50 yards onto the BLM, I‘m going to assume that everyone agrees that is where the property line is and respect that. Same if the fence is off the other way and posted all along that fence line.

OnX and their competitors is the most cost effective and practical technology ethical hunters have to try and keep legal. Wardens rely on it so why shouldn’t we if used in conjunction with basic common sense?

Horniac
 
I never had issues with Onx, but I have had issues with Gohunt, and BaseMaps, (basemaps has marked property wrong in offline mode for me, and gohunt has a weird problem where the gps locks up and doesn't move with me so if you are not super paying attention but judt glancing down here and therebas you move along and checking how close you are to whatever boundaries you are trying to avoid you can end up in yhe wrong place. I then have to close out the app and load it up again to get it to work properly. Thankfully this has never happened while I was in that type of situation, first time i noticed it I was hunting towards a road in the timber, checking to see how close i was to it occasionally, when all the sudden i came up to it. The app still said I was several hundred ysrds away. I Have had it do it multiple times since while using it while driving around so I do think it is wise to be cautious when using any of them. So Tri's advise is legitimate.

That said I don't think any of that was the problem with muley freak, that dude knows what he is doing.
 
JakeH said:
I never had issues with Onx, but I have had issues with Gohunt, and BaseMaps, (basemaps has marked property wrong in offline mode for me, and gohunt has a weird problem where the gps locks up and doesn't move with me so if you are not super paying attention but judt glancing down here and therebas you move along and checking how close you are to whatever boundaries you are trying to avoid you can end up in yhe wrong place. I then have to close out the app and load it up again to get it to work properly. Thankfully this has never happened while I was in that type of situation, first time i noticed it I was hunting towards a road in the timber, checking to see how close i was to it occasionally, when all the sudden i came up to it. The app still said I was several hundred ysrds away. I Have had it do it multiple times since while using it while driving around so I do think it is wise to be cautious when using any of them. So Tri's advise is legitimate.

That said I don't think any of that was the problem with muley freak, that dude knows what he is doing.
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I agree with your issues with Basemap, some property lines are exact and some are way off.
 
Tristate said:
What argument?

I'm not arguing anything. I'm not defending anything. I'm telling you what I have seen with my own eyes. I'm not protecting anyone or giving excuses. I am warning yall not to count on OnX.

You can think it works great right up until you are busted by some landowner or warden and the internet army yells for you to loose your job and hunting privileges. Relying on a phone app to keep you legal is foolish. Thinking the anti-hunters on MM will understand is plain stupid.
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Wardens in MT, ID, WY, NV, UT, AZ all use ONX for trespassing cases.

Like most everything else, you never look in the mirror for the cause of your problems, always looking to blame someone else.

Learn how to use a GPS and your phone...you won't have any more issues with ONX or knowing where you're at.

Like I said, user error is your problem.
 
I've found it so much more enjoyable to hunt where I'm not so concerned with having to count on a GPS device. I hate hunting where if you see a good animal you have to get out the GPS and figure out if it is on/off private or close enough that it may make it onto private if a shot is taken. Yes there is now and again anywhere you hunt that a GPS is nice to verify property lines, but I just use them for hunting, terrain and travel to and from point A & B.

If someone is pushing the envelope and sitting property lines waiting for an animal to cross it is their responsibility to research and know for a fact what is legal and what is not.

Good luck to all in the draws and enjoy your hunts how every you choose to do them.
 
Horniac said:
…so what do you recommend we as hunters do? Hire a survey crew to verify parcel property lines?

If OnX shows a rancher‘s fence is off 50 yards onto the BLM, I‘m going to assume that everyone agrees that is where the property line is and respect that. Same if the fence is off the other way and posted all along that fence line.

OnX and their competitors is the most cost effective and practical technology ethical hunters have to try and keep legal. Wardens rely on it so why shouldn’t we if used in conjunction with basic common sense?

Horniac
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I'm not telling you to not use OnX.

Hell I use it. Why do you think I've discovered incorrect boundaries on it. It would be smart to back your OnX up with secondary sources. Second if anything makes you a little unsure of what position you are in DON'T SHOOT.

Nothing wrong with calling a game warden and the land owner then go hunt.
 
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