There are no guides anymore, just friends with spotting scopes.Happy for the hunter. That is such an awesome bull.
I do have a question, however. Does the one hunter/one guide law not apply to the sportsman tag? I don’t see that exemption in the statute…
Utah Code Section 23A-11-204
le.utah.gov
Seven hundred yards is definitely a long shot. In my experience people hitting paper just isn’t the same as shooting at an animal.
I was hesitant when I realized that shots were going to be taken. Not only because I’m not comfortable shooting that far, but I didn’t know the hunter’s abilities. I started asking questions about the hunters ability with the gun. I was assured he had practiced with the gun and they were comfortable with the shot. But again, paper and making that shot with adrenaline flowing is entirely different. In the end, I wasn’t guiding, I was there to observe and report.
Hunting has definitely changed from what it was like when I was a kid. I remember my dad hunting with an open sight M1 Grand and boasting of a hundred yard shot. Now guys are killing animals at a thousand yards plus.
Did guides even exists in the seventies and eighties? I don’t recall. I do believe there is a place for guides. Hell I’ve been guiding on a CWMU for almost two decades. But, is it time we start regulating guides more and our ability to shoot animals at such long ranges? Much like the current discussion on long range muzzleloaders. I don’t know, That’s the hunting public’s call and each states DNR.
Some have argued that I shouldn’t have shown the long shots. Maybe you’re right? But it has started a discussion here, maybe there’s more hunters who feel the same and change is warranted.
In the end the hunter hit the bull all three shots. Would I have taken the shot or allowed a client to shoot that far? Not a chance. I once watched/allowed my adult son to shoot at a bull long distance after a lot of practice at the range and he just could not make the shot when he needed to. There’s just too many variables at long range.
I’m surprised no one caught the knucklehead reference?
Fstop.
I caught the knucklhead reference and laughed. I agree with lots of what you said on this post. Glad you shared it and glad you came on here to tell your side of the story! Good on you!Seven hundred yards is definitely a long shot. In my experience people hitting paper just isn’t the same as shooting at an animal.
I was hesitant when I realized that shots were going to be taken. Not only because I’m not comfortable shooting that far, but I didn’t know the hunter’s abilities. I started asking questions about the hunters ability with the gun. I was assured he had practiced with the gun and they were comfortable with the shot. But again, paper and making that shot with adrenaline flowing is entirely different. In the end, I wasn’t guiding, I was there to observe and report.
Hunting has definitely changed from what it was like when I was a kid. I remember my dad hunting with an open sight M1 Grand and boasting of a hundred yard shot. Now guys are killing animals at a thousand yards plus.
Did guides even exists in the seventies and eighties? I don’t recall. I do believe there is a place for guides. Hell I’ve been guiding on a CWMU for almost two decades. But, is it time we start regulating guides more and our ability to shoot animals at such long ranges? Much like the current discussion on long range muzzleloaders. I don’t know, That’s the hunting public’s call and each states DNR.
Some have argued that I shouldn’t have shown the long shots. Maybe you’re right? But it has started a discussion here, maybe there’s more hunters who feel the same and change is warranted.
In the end the hunter hit the bull all three shots. Would I have taken the shot or allowed a client to shoot that far? Not a chance. I once watched/allowed my adult son to shoot at a bull long distance after a lot of practice at the range and he just could not make the shot when he needed to. There’s just too many variables at long range.
I’m surprised no one caught the knucklehead reference?
Fstop.
Well Adam why hide it. This is what hunting is these days. With guides and outfitters. People shooting big bulls with long range rifles that have, well at least practiced a little on paper. I have seen worse out there. This last weekend someone was shooting at a bull 800 yards away. They were hitting 40 yards low and kept shooting five times. Then the bull finally figured out the where shooting at him and he walked into the timber, Congrats to the sportsman hunter he got a hell of a bull.Seven hundred yards is definitely a long shot. In my experience people hitting paper just isn’t the same as shooting at an animal.
I was hesitant when I realized that shots were going to be taken. Not only because I’m not comfortable shooting that far, but I didn’t know the hunter’s abilities. I started asking questions about the hunters ability with the gun. I was assured he had practiced with the gun and they were comfortable with the shot. But again, paper and making that shot with adrenaline flowing is entirely different. In the end, I wasn’t guiding, I was there to observe and report.
Hunting has definitely changed from what it was like when I was a kid. I remember my dad hunting with an open sight M1 Grand and boasting of a hundred yard shot. Now guys are killing animals at a thousand yards plus.
Did guides even exists in the seventies and eighties? I don’t recall. I do believe there is a place for guides. Hell I’ve been guiding on a CWMU for almost two decades. But, is it time we start regulating guides more and our ability to shoot animals at such long ranges? Much like the current discussion on long range muzzleloaders. I don’t know, That’s the hunting public’s call and each states DNR.
Some have argued that I shouldn’t have shown the long shots. Maybe you’re right? But it has started a discussion here, maybe there’s more hunters who feel the same and change is warranted.
In the end the hunter hit the bull all three shots. Would I have taken the shot or allowed a client to shoot that far? Not a chance. I once watched/allowed my adult son to shoot at a bull long distance after a lot of practice at the range and he just could not make the shot when he needed to. There’s just too many variables at long range.
I’m surprised no one caught the knucklehead reference?
Fstop.
Maybe the plan was to be able to bring this up at the technology committee meeting...I am all for the video Adam, My problem is why not just show him shooting 3 times. We dont need to see the bad shots he made. Just show him pull the trigger and have the voices of oh its hit. Shoot again... then just cut to when the bull is on the ground. Showing bad shots hit an elk at pretty good distances is not it in my opinion...
Opening morning of a cow hunt a couple years ago, one of my kids had a tag and we knew where a herd was the night before. Showed up there in the morning, herd was in the same place, a mile away. We planned a stalk around the mountain so we could pop up a few hundred yards away. As we were stalking, I kept hearing a shot every 2-5 minutes and they seemed to be pretty far away. 1/2 hour later we popped up over the hill, got him a shot at less than 200 yards, cow down. My wife was back a mile away watching from the truck. I noticed another truck in the bottom of the draw, after a while they packed up and headed out. My wife said she talked to them on their way out. The guy's daughter, who my wife said looked to be no more than 12 years old, had been shooting at the herd from the bottom of the draw. I ranged where their truck was and it was over 1000 yards. They said when we popped over the hill, they stopped shooting. Seems like a great way to start your kids hunting.Well Adam why hide it. This is what hunting is these days. With guides and outfitters. People shooting big bulls with long range rifles that have, well at least practiced a little on paper. I have seen worse out there. This last weekend someone was shooting at a bull 800 yards away. They were hitting 40 yards low and kept shooting five times. Then the bull finally figured out the where shooting at him and he walked into the timber, Congrats to the sportsman hunter he got a hell of a bull.
But scoped muzzleloaders are the issue…Opening morning of a cow hunt a couple years ago, one of my kids had a tag and we knew where a herd was the night before. Showed up there in the morning, herd was in the same place, a mile away. We planned a stalk around the mountain so we could pop up a few hundred yards away. As we were stalking, I kept hearing a shot every 2-5 minutes and they seemed to be pretty far away. 1/2 hour later we popped up over the hill, got him a shot at less than 200 yards, cow down. My wife was back a mile away watching from the truck. I noticed another truck in the bottom of the draw, after a while they packed up and headed out. My wife said she talked to them on their way out. The guy's daughter, who my wife said looked to be no more than 12 years old, had been shooting at the herd from the bottom of the draw. I ranged where their truck was and it was over 1000 yards. They said when we popped over the hill, they stopped shooting. Seems like a great way to start your kids hunting.
Oh, anyone paying attention caught the knucklehead comment! I liked it.
Honestly, the shot distance isn’t all that offensive. That gun is more than capable of killing an elk at 700 yards. The rest was not a bad rest. That’s on a tripod that locks the entire gun into place where it’s as steady, and maybe even more steady, than a bench rest.
Now if the hunter was capable or not is a question I can’t answer, but he did hit the bull each time (at least what was shown on the video) and the bull died.
We can all set our own ethics about long range hunting. It’s much more fun to get in close, no doubt. It’s more difficult and “sporting” to get in close. But I watched a video of a lucky hunter killing an awesome bull. I’m not too concerned about it on that point. But the “be on the horn and come down after we find it” stuff doesn’t look great. And I still have the question about multiple spotters and multiple guides on the kill. The legislature prohibited that practice in statute. I know outfitters are flaunting that rule all across the state, but it doesn’t make it okay.
There absolutely needs to be more regulations on guides on public land. This first step clearly hasn’t worked.
oh yeah.....looked like meDid He YANK That Trigger?
UDWR doesn't care about choppers or shooting sheep out of your unit, they won't care about his scope.Their scope looks like a Leupold VX6HD and a VX6HD is an illegal scope to hunt big game in Utah. Ignore this post if it isn’t a VX6HD.
From Leupold’s website: “with an in-scope electronic reticle level...”
From the UDWR Field regulations: “No electronics may be attached, except illuminated reticles.” The VX6HD has more electronics than just an illuminated reticle.
Looked like he did on the follow up shot when the safety was still on too.Did He YANK That Trigger?
F-stop, what's the scoop on why the video was pulled down?Seven hundred yards is definitely a long shot. In my experience people hitting paper just isn’t the same as shooting at an animal.
I was hesitant when I realized that shots were going to be taken. Not only because I’m not comfortable shooting that far, but I didn’t know the hunter’s abilities. I started asking questions about the hunters ability with the gun. I was assured he had practiced with the gun and they were comfortable with the shot. But again, paper and making that shot with adrenaline flowing is entirely different. In the end, I wasn’t guiding, I was there to observe and report.
Hunting has definitely changed from what it was like when I was a kid. I remember my dad hunting with an open sight M1 Grand and boasting of a hundred yard shot. Now guys are killing animals at a thousand yards plus.
Did guides even exists in the seventies and eighties? I don’t recall. I do believe there is a place for guides. Hell I’ve been guiding on a CWMU for almost two decades. But, is it time we start regulating guides more and our ability to shoot animals at such long ranges? Much like the current discussion on long range muzzleloaders. I don’t know, That’s the hunting public’s call and each states DNR.
Some have argued that I shouldn’t have shown the long shots. Maybe you’re right? But it has started a discussion here, maybe there’s more hunters who feel the same and change is warranted.
In the end the hunter hit the bull all three shots. Would I have taken the shot or allowed a client to shoot that far? Not a chance. I once watched/allowed my adult son to shoot at a bull long distance after a lot of practice at the range and he just could not make the shot when he needed to. There’s just too many variables at long range.
I’m surprised no one caught the knucklehead reference?
Fstop.
Video got pulled so that means it was that bad. LOL
No, you don't.BC Sure wish I could of seen it.
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