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Have these numbers been decided but not yet released?

I don’t look at you as the takeaway crew. Definitely the inconsistency crew. Sounds like you’ve found something coming down the pipeline that’s worrisome. I’m sure the survey wont be biased like the trail camera survey. Where opinions won’t be skewed at all to fit their agenda. (9k surveys sent...

Good question! Everyone has their own definition of what defines primitive. Some think we need to go back to 1865 weapons. Some think we should use a stick or rock. I don’t know about you but 35% success rate for muzzy shows it’s difficult and on par with archery and rifle success rates. Or do...

Chronographed my muzzy. 100 grains pushing a 250 sabot. 1680fps at the muzzle. Definitely a LR gun. Simple- ban 40 cal muzzys Simple- limit the powder charge to no more than 110, no bolt actions on muzzleloaders You just want to simplify it by removing the scope. Utah is capable of doing...

Geezus nobody said that killing ethically with open sights or 1x isn’t possible. Are we gonna question your capabilities and what weapon type hunts you should stick to? There’s nothing wrong with hoping to keep a 3x9 on a muzzy to have confidence to kill a deer at 200 yards. My diminished eye...

I’ve explained to you in messages why I prefer a muzzleloader hunt or why I took up muzzleloader hunting to begin with. There’s many reasons and you’ve listed some. Ironically, it has helped me see more deer yet fewer kills for me. I prefer the weather in September than October. I have many...

I don’t have proof that we were wounding more deer without magnified scopes. But it would be common sense to assume that if hunters can’t seem to have self control on ethics, more risky shots were taken with open sights or 1x scopes due to the natural ability of the eyes whether one has poorer...

scopes make it easier to make proficient, ethical, killing shots. Nothing to argue. Poor eye sight shooting 1x or open sights isn’t a good combination for the hunted nor hunters who don’t know how to regulate themselves and can’t be trusted

As a very picky, strict, selective hunter who has killed 2 deer in the last 15 years when I could have killed nearly every year, it’s easy to see that the intention and purpose of this possible rule change is to reduce success because the state can’t grow deer. Now I’ve played my part as an...

Quite a naive statement to make. Especially after our exchange of messages.

I’ll argue that a variable scope definitely doesn’t help MY odds but sure does help make ethical kills. ? A variable scope doesn’t change the ballistics on the load I’ve set up for my muzzy. A variable scope doesn’t change the powder charge or ignition system in my muzzy. A variable scope...

I was hoping to see the data on here that would show such a huge increase in success since the variable scopes have been allowed. But nah. A bunch of feel good comments instead. I’d post the data if I could figure out how to post pictures. But the data doesn’t show much of a change. At least...

Tag number RECOMMENDATIONS should be out BEFORE the end of the draw. The previous years recommendations came out within a week after the old application time table. I suspect many will be applying near the end of the application deadline because of this.

Idk what caliber of rifle you are choosing but zeiss conquest rifle v4 scope 3-12x44 is within your budget at 699$. Exceptional glass

Is the cougar situation a missed opportunity for more revenue? Why not allow hunters who apply for any big game tag (including OTC) an option to pay an additional fee to possibly use their big game tag on a cat if the circumstance arises in the field during their big game hunt? If this fee is...

I can see the draw applications begin March 23rd and the RAC meetings begin April 5th with the tag numbers being the main discussion. Do they publicly release the tag recommendations for this year BEFORE the RAC meetings begin? Or do those numbers get introduced to the public at the RACs?

Too many variables to give a precise answer. But if I had to generalize, the answer for me is 500 yards with a rifle on big game animals. Every hunt that I’ve done has resulted to different circumstances and different conditions that will impact the answer to this question. But consistently at...

For years I never would have investigated a kill to determine a heart or lung shot but I didn’t kill much back then either due to buck fever. I missed ALOT ? It was once I started hunting cow elk that I began paying attention. But I’ve experienced and or witnessed it all with the many...

Did anyone watch the recent CWMU advisory meeting? It’s on YouTube. They are interesting to listen to. https://www.youtube.com/live/8AHuFG-3wQE?feature=share

It appears this legislation wants to make it so we cannot force public access with any of our programs like the changes that were made to the LOA program

https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/HB0145.html?fbclid=IwAR3l6W3tCm4zvK-EpONP1MaSBItXrzdmFxeL7HUvETPm8nBoiXZyv7GnopU&mibextid=Zxz2cZ

These LOA’s have been the gift that keeps on giving and I’m glad to see some potential big changes to the program. It’s been long overdue.

Linda shared MULTIPLE SLIDES of youth opportunities in Utah. If your youth isn’t hunting because they didn’t get a tag, it’s the parents fault. Plain and simple

Yes urban sprawl will continue but I’d like to see Utah be more proactive and be at the front of the pack with addressing this issue. It sounds like we are behind the curve ball.

I’ve recently asked the division about mandatory reporting and I’ll share their response “We have had many discussions, both internally and through the public process, about mandatory reporting over the years. We use mandatory (complete) reporting for hunts that are very high-interest for the...

Hawk, Like others have stated, I just believe they are being optimistic due to new data that helps them make more proactive decisions and calling it “inflection.” A couple years ago, a friend was hunting in Idaho for mule deer. He typically has done well regardless to where he hunts and focuses...

I was quoting the biologist. Not that I agree with the idea. I was explaining my assumption of where the idea of a yearling hunt possibly came from.

Sorry I’ve been late to the party. I was catching up on reading the comments after I got home from my double barrel LR muzzleloader sniper classes from Chris Kyle. Doesn’t look like I’ve missed much. Just more bickering. I’ve read some articles about vehicle/animal collisions. ? maybe we can...

Without a doubt it is the southern units that show the most drastic decrease in permit numbers. Especially for deer. Astonished of the number of doe deer permits issued from 2017-2019.

According to Covy Jones….pregnancy rate is around 90% Flustered is a word that describes me right now. All the new subdivisions, homes, new roadways, more people more cars .etc. Utah deer are screwed unless we find an aggressive way to combat the human population growth and expansion in Utah...

Slam defends his LR rifle in one thread and starts another about how we all need to limit our technology during the archery and muzzy hunts. Am I suppose to take this thread serious?

New studies might be a factor in regard to the idea and discussion of “yearling hunts” I came across some recent information that I believe was released in November 2021 “One of the more interesting developments over the past few months is completion of a formal analysis of annual survival in...

Hoss, I spent probably an hour gathering the information that I already have. Step up to the plate. My point was simple. You could take my scope away and I still could kill every time I get a tag instead of killing once in a decade like I currently choose to

I’ve gathered harvest success rates for GS muzzy deer to see if technology advancements have made an impact. I haven’t seen data from anyone else My purpose of pulling the data I did was due to statements of assumption that “we’ve gotten too good at killing animals” from specific WB members...

I am one who would support splitting up some of our GS deer units/hunts for quality. But there is also a much easier solution to your stance. Decrease tags. But I am all for adding a 4th tier of hunting. (premium, LE, GS, and “premium GS) I can’t speak for everyone but my personal experience is...

Slam, I 100% agree with you. On this subject, I don’t believe that the majority of hunters posses the ability and/or equipment to kill at distances that are unfair to the animal. Nor are the majority willing to. For the WB to claim to know it to be a fact or true is naive on their part. They...

Robiland As per mule deer plan, our GS hunts are managed for opportunity. If you don’t like the way it’s managed, take that up with them. General season hunts aren’t managed for quality (mature bucks) although finding them in general season hunts are literally what I live for and is my personal...

(Pre-scope) 2013-2015 GS muzzy deer success rates statewide averaged 33.5% Muzzleloader scopes were legalized in 2016 (Post-scope) 2017-2019 GS muzzy deer success rates statewide averaged 35.2% (+1.7%) In those 6 years of data of our states 29 different units, 17 units averaged an increase and...

If it’s totally and completely relative to the individual, it’s a social issue. LR definition is shooting at distances near or past what your personal limitations are to make a clean, quick kill. Which personal limitations vary so the definition is different for everyone. So how does the...

Ya…we will need you to complete a shooting test and whatever the result is, we will need to hold you to that while in the field. Capeesh