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A SSN isn't required to be given.Another fun story kinda off topic…
I was 1 ‘NO’ away from getting hauled off in hand cuffs by a fed fish cop at BRBR one night when I wouldn’t give him my social security number AFTER I had already given him my full name, DL and vehicle registration. That guy was a complete clown. If I’d had any more PTO left at work, I’d have happily gone to jail that night. I identified myself when asked, presented a valid ID and didn’t play any games with him. Unless there’s something I’m not aware of, a SSN Isn’t required to be given out to an officer.
Troll away, look how well it works in Chicago? You would be the 1st to cry if someone looked at you wrong. Just look at the "peaceful" protests (riots) that nearly burned down more than a few cities. That's what happens when LE are stopped from protecting the public.I know some of these cops go out looking, praying for a MF’r who would, just so they can play hero. When in reality, it’s them who needs to be disarmed for everyone’s safety.
It was that night.A SSN isn't required to be given.
Oh yes, I’m certain none of them look for an excuse to pull that gun.Troll away, look how well it works in Chicago? You would be the 1st to cry if someone looked at you wrong. Just look at the "peaceful" protests (riots) that nearly burned down more than a few cities. That's what happens when LE are stopped from protecting the public.
No that guy said it was. If he would have placed you under arrest for that you could sue him for constitutional violations. An LEO will lie right to your face and say he is going to put you in jail for not doing what he says.It was that night.
And that should tell you something about the state of policing in America, Vanilla.Whoopi asks a question about what the penalty is for disarming a peace officer, and we’ve turned this into a bash the police thread.
And some of you probably use the word “RINO” in your every day conversations!
There are good cops and bad cops, just like there are good and bad in every type of work. The bad in law enforcement do a whole lot of damage, as we can see here.
Troll away.Oh yes, I’m certain none of them look for an excuse to pull that gun.
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Just pretend for a moment that cop was your son or daughter. Wouldn't you want them to do the same thing and ask if you were armed?I’ve always found it somewhat interesting when I’ve been minding my own business, doing nothing wrong, they make contact and immediately want control of any gun around for their safety. I had a situation the other day with an officer that really irritated me. An officer “contacts” me while at a rural recreation area with my family when getting out of my car in the parking area, asks what I’m doing and immediately asks if I’m armed or if there’s firearms in the vehicle. The answer is always “yes”. At which point they want to seize control of the weapon for “their safety”, until the stop is complete and they are on their way.
Now hang on. What about MY safety? I don’t know you. You know more about me, than I do you. I haven’t done anything wrong. I didn’t ask for assistance. Why do I have to give my gun to stranger when they ask for it for them to feel safe, while I’m standing there not feeling a bit safe, even while having done nothing wrong. A lot of innocent people have been shot by cops over the years, some of which were so far out of line because of a grudge, profiling, whatever, they should have never been issued a badge, much less a gun.
I handed him my ID, my CCP and waited. A few minutes later he comes back and tells me to have a nice afternoon. Wouldn’t ever tell me why I was stopped other than he was just “making contact with people”. Told me not to put my mag back in my gun until he had left ?
I get their safety is a priority for them. They have a hard job, yeah yeah yeah. But when they come up to me, for no reason at all, other than for what it appears that they are bored and then ask for my gun so they can feel safe? Come on. Don’t talk to me to begin with. Why not start there? I know some of these cops go out looking, praying for a MF’r who would, just so they can play hero. When in reality, it’s them who needs to be disarmed for everyone’s safety.
And that should tell you something about the state of policing in America, Vanilla.
No I would not want my son asking strangers if they are armed and then disarming them.Just pretend for a moment that cop was your son or daughter. Wouldn't you want them to do the same thing and ask if you were armed?
You also sound impatient for someone who has a CCP. Might want to reconsider. Just saying...
It tells you a lot about America that normal people want to be treated with respect?????It tells me a lot more about America than it does the state of policing in America.
I acknowledge there are bad apples in policing. There always has been and always will be. In fact, there has never been a time where the bad apples were addressed as openly and aggressively as they are today, but there will always remain bad apples simply because we are dealing with human beings.
But I'll reiterate, your posts are much more of an indictment on America than on policing in America. Sad state of affairs we find ourselves in, but we have only ourselves to blame.
Since it hasn't been posted on this thread... in Utah, disarming a police officer is a first degree felony punishable by 5 years to life in prison... so yeah, it's kind of a big deal.
Don't make up conclusions because you are out of ideas.See post #2
And everything else you wrote is pretty good!
One person demanding respect but seemingly not willing to give it. Odd…
It's not apples to apples. I don't know you or what you do for a living, but I'm damn sure you aren't a cop. If you were, you'd recognize that a segment of society hates you, fears you, and perceives you to be a threat. Reaching out your hand to say howdy is great, and many of us do just that. But, if you're wearing a uniform, that's a good way to find yourself in a morgue. Police are the only people in this country I know that are targeted simply for the uniform they wear. (Military also fits that). If an officer just assumes everyone is happy go lucky, they are not fit for the job and they put their lives and others' lives in danger. The risk you assume with your big boy pants is different than the risk an officer assumes. They do it anyway, and my hats off to them.I meet strangers every day. They may be a great guy or they may have just murdered a bus full of kids. Who knows. I stick my hand out and say "Howdy". Welcome to the real world and risk that we all assume. Time to grow up put on your big boy pants and quit using the safety excuse for why you get to treat people like crap.
Don't make up conclusions because you are out of ideas.
If you read my last post you would see how I give respect to all. Maybe even the person that hurts or kills me one day. That's the risk of a free society.
That's right. And if you can't handle the risk then don't become a cop.It's not apples to apples. I don't know you or what you do for a living, but I'm damn sure you aren't a cop. If you were, you'd recognize that a segment of society hates you, fears you, and perceives you to be a threat. Reaching out your hand to say howdy is great, and many of us do just that. But, if you're wearing a uniform, that's a good way to find yourself in a morgue. Police are the only people in this country I know that are targeted simply for the uniform they wear. (Military also fits that). If an officer just assumes everyone is happy go lucky, they are not fit for the job and they put their lives and others' lives in danger. The risk you assume with your big boy pants is different than the risk an officer assumes. They do it anyway, and my hats off to them.
And there you have it.I have always believed you were dishonest, but now it’s clear you’re just simply delusional if you think you give people respect.
Just another topic you speak strongly on without a clue what you’re talking about. Stick to taxidermy forms. At least you might be good at that.
I can also pretend my son or daughter is getting harassed by a nosy cop for no reason other than they are bored.Just pretend for a moment that cop was your son or daughter. Wouldn't you want them to do the same thing and ask if you were armed?
You also sound impatient for someone who has a CCP. Might want to reconsider. Just saying...
If I had anymore PTO left for work, i would have let him take me to jail.No that guy said it was. If he would have placed you under arrest for that you could sue him for constitutional violations. An LEO will lie right to your face and say he is going to put you in jail for not doing what he says.
Wow! I feel like if you had more PTO you would drive to Texas and take tristate out on a date!If I had anymore PTO left for work, i would have let him take me to jail.
You might want to go back and read what I typed. I don't treat cops any different than anyone. I stick my hand out and tell them howdy. The next move is theirs.Wow! I feel like if you had more PTO you would drive to Texas and take tristate out on a date!
I've never had a bad experience with LE... treat them with respect, they respect you back. It seems as though you two start straight off with attitude and get it right back....what a surprise!
Sometimes I wish one of your two brain cells would take over and make a rational statement. All of your posts above are mindless drivel, typed out to try to prove you think you are above the law and all cops are bad. It’s tiresome.You might want to go back and read what I typed. I don't treat cops any different than anyone. I stick my hand out and tell them howdy. The next move is theirs.
Take a deep breath man. mtmuleyI can also pretend my son or daughter is getting harassed by a nosy cop for no reason other than they are bored.
Impatient? You don’t know me. However, I don’t appreciate prying from anyone when it isn’t warranted. I had done nothing wrong, and he had no reason to believe I had. He didn’t ID my wife. Just me.
I don't treat cops any different than anyone.
Actually that's not a problem. But I don't look down my nose at people.I believe this statement. And therein lies the problem!
Still just talking about me and hoping nobody will notice the broken relationship between police and the public is a result of bad and even criminal behavior of police and the refusal of government to deal with it.And here Tri is solving all the world’s problems by posting in the Utah forum to the 17 people that read this!
Goodness you’re delusional. Go away. I have zero doubt any attitude you get form a cop is well deserved. You earned it little man.
Security guard at a parking garage doesn’t count as “law enforcement”, but I applaud your effort in an attempt at feeling relevant.After working with law enforcement for a bit of time....I can almost guarantee you that you will not ever win "disarming" any LE. You will either get super lucky and be gang banged by about 15 officers and whoever else shows up, or if you're not so lucky you're gonna spring alot of leaks in a short amount of time. The ONLY way you would win that situation is going through the court systems to get them fired and their badge and gun stripped.
Do you naturally suck at reading comprehension? Or do you like to only read half of a conversation?Wow! I feel like if you had more PTO you would drive to Texas and take tristate out on a date!
I've never had a bad experience with LE... treat them with respect, they respect you back. It seems as though you two start straight off with attitude and get it right back....what a surprise!
Still just wanting to make something about me instead of deal with the real problem.Yep. I’m personally responsible for any strained relationship with police in society in America today. And you are saving it all in this thread! Not all heroes wear capes, tri. Thanks for your service!
Or maybe, it’s just you being a disrespectful little man to police and them being mean to you in return and you pouting like a baby.
One or the other of those two paragraphs is accurate. I’ll let people draw their own conclusions. You took a thread where someone asked the penalty for a crime and made it your own personal pity party soap box about hating police and wondering why they don’t show you the respect you feel you can demand. Go cry about this in the Texas forum.
Awful lot of assumptions there from an unwillingness to read.Dam, some of you have had bad luck with police. My only contact with them is traffic, game and fish encounters and a few job site issues. As far as traffic, I am cited about half the time, the other I’m let go so it doesn’t always go my way. I see a lot of talk of rights here but no talk of responsibility. I guess I’m an idiot because I have no problem showing my ID at any encounter I see it as a responsibility. If I sense it’s going to go sideways, I will shut my mouth and let them take me in and handle it then. I see someone talking about getting respect while not giving any. That’s probably where the disdain for police come from. You already don’t like them from the start and get a little butt hurt if they don’t kiss your ass and patronize you from the first words they speak. I have had plenty of dićk cops deal with me and I have thick enough skin to take some chit and not want them to loose their job or complain my way to the top. I had some yell and scream profanities at me too. It wasn’t the end of the world for me, and didn’t go looking for a lawyer. Maybe the ones that have all this hate have never had their ass kicked or lost a fight before. A good ass kicking for a man can do wonders for their attitude.
Exactly, doesn’t mean you’re right either.Awful lot of assumptions there from an unwillingness to read.
Here's an idea. If people don't have the same opinion as you it might mean they have completely different experiences than you and that isn't a bad thing.
Man, you know all about my life.....have you been stalking me?? Cause I never even knew I was a security guard. Only a firefighter, emt, the a 911 dispatcher...weird......weird weird weird how I forgot about the security guard in there.Security guard at a parking garage doesn’t count as “law enforcement”, but I applaud your effort in an attempt at feeling relevant.
Couldn’t make the cut for any of those 3 jobs huh? That’s too bad. Good thing McDonald’s is always hiring.Man, you know all about my life.....have you been stalking me?? Cause I never even knew I was a security guard. Only a firefighter, emt, the a 911 dispatcher...weird......weird weird weird how I forgot about the security guard in there.
Never said I worked for LE. Said I worked with them. And did all that for 7 years before I got married and moved and started a new career, thanks for your concern though!Couldn’t make the cut for any of those 3 jobs huh? That’s too bad. Good thing McDonald’s is always hiring.
Btw, only 1 of those MIGHT count as law enforcement, depending on your position. But I doubt you filled that role.
Again, great attempt at relevance.
I see a lot of talk of rights here but no talk of responsibility.
It isn't about right. It's about rights and people's will.Exactly, doesn’t mean you’re right either.
Nothing.Tristate,
If I post up a ton of videos counter to your message, what does that do to the message?
I guess it doesn't matter. He was just murdering future "Karens".
Nothing.
I think she settled for $500,000. That’s a great payday for a days worth of being detained and going through such an inconvenience.
Maybe you stand behind the assault on this Karen. That's some of yo peeps.
Yes because she was under 14For Some Reason?
The Cops I've Dealt With Were Never In A Very Good Mood?
The One Cop I've Gotta Give Alot Of Credit To (Actually 2 Cops Involved In a ROUND-ABOUT Way!)
Told Me He Couldn't Even Give Me A Warning Ticket For What I Had Done Because It Would Cost Him His Job!
You consider that an "inconvenience "?I think she settled for $500,000. That’s a great payday for a days worth of being detained and going through such an inconvenience.
I’m not saying they were right. I would be stupid, but look at what it did for her. One of the best paychecks she will ever get. At the end, she didn’t have any injuries like less any teeth or a shiner, was just as functioning, mobile and healthy as she was the day before, had the sympathy of her co workers and all other kinds of positives. Sign me up for that kind of day with that payout and support and I’m happy.You consider that an "inconvenience "?
Being dragged out of your work by a 200 pound child in front of your peers is an inconvenience????
Another way to look at it is if a person without a badge did that to a woman any one of those bystanders could have legally taken out a pistol and blown that guys head off. And never been indicted. It is even likely that in this exact instance a bystander would have been acquitted for shooting this maniac with his badge on.I’m not saying they were right. I would be stupid, but look at what it did for her. One of the best paychecks she will ever get. At the end, she didn’t have any injuries like less any teeth or a shiner, was just as functioning, mobile and healthy as she was the day before, had the sympathy of her co workers and all other kinds of positives. Sign me up for that kind of day with that payout and support and I’m happy.
It would be interesting to hear from her and weather or not she would want it to be any different. $500,000 or no $500,000?
Here's the problem. we know he was beating women like that for years. This is the one time he got unlucky and someone filmed it.Lots of facts about the nurse case shorty doesn’t even know about that makes it a whole lot worse than he even believes it is. He continues to post about things he doesn’t understand. That comes as a shock to nobody.
Guy did get fired. 20 years ago he wouldn’t have even been written up. Again, that’s a good thing.
Just think if you wouldn’t have posted on this thread! None of this would be possible. Truly our savior. Keep up your service. We truly need you.
I really have no idea what your point is. Are you saying police body cams aren't someone filming it?Because someone filmed it…
Uhhh, those are police body cams sport! I love body cams, even if they don’t always tell the full story. More information is always better than less. Which is why tristate sucks at all this!
You’d think he’d learn on these topics he’s out of his league from the years of experience looking silly and being wrong. Nope — he doesn’t learn.
I actually don't feel like I'm in an argument. Its just how grown ups can talk to each other. Unlike Vanilla.We’re talking in circles, I’m not sure how much more I will reply to. No offense to you, I kind of like a good argument and you do it well. Just remember this, If people don't have the same opinion as you it might mean they have completely different experiences than you and that isn't a bad thing.
Actually pretty much everyone there saw it as abuse. People confronted him there and were threatened by him at the scene.
At the time he probably thought she was obstructing and was outnumbered by others. Goes back to intent. He didn’t go into the hospital and pick her at random to violate her rights and be put into a situation with others are at risk. Bad decision, and he paid. It’s no different than a cop making an arrest or detainment in the face of a mob. Sometimes the job call for aggression. He got it wrong. Just like my encounter. I was next to the dude and had to be treated like I was a bad guy, at least for a small amount of time.
It would be interesting to see how you and I would handle some of these things if we were in it every day. I will be honest, I think I would react poorly to a lot of them. It would definitely be a test of patience. You may handle it very professionally 100% of the time.
There's a big difference between that and getting dragged out of your work in hand cuffs while legally trying to protect people. But if you have an officer yelling obscenities at you for no reason I do encourage you to file a formal complaint with his department. I hope they don't treat you like the guy in the video posted above and try and put you in prison for some one else's crime.
What’s a gun pointed at you worth for a small amount of time? That’s a deadly encounter right? Should I get any money for that? I wasn’t at work doing my duty, but should there be any consequences for them? I didn’t think so. I didn’t get nor did I expect an apology. At the end I was more embarrassed about being with a fuk up.
I think it’s a discussion too. I don’t get to have these difficult ones too often because others get triggered real bad and sometimes ends the relationship. It seems most can’t handle it.I actually don't feel like I'm in an argument. Its just how grown ups can talk to each other. Unlike Vanilla.
As for what a gun being pointed at you is worth, I don't know. If you can prove it cost you a certain amount of money plus the legal fees to prove it then its worth that much. Maybe worth a new pair of pants and undies, maybe more.
I think one thing that we are loosing sight of from the original discussion is there are matters for the courts and there are matters of policy. There are probably thousands of police interactions everyday which are perfectly legal and yet totally unprofessional. Whether people believe it or not, that's a serious problem for the police. They need the law abiding public on their side. When the majority of the law abiding public have eperiences of being disrespected or violated by police then they won't stand with the police when the police need them. And this is the very difficult lesson for many. THE POLICE NEED LAW ABIDING CITIZENS MORE THAN LAW ABIDING CITIZENS NEED POLICE.
Yep. We answered that and moved on. Then things got way out of hand when you decided to start trash talking victims.The “original discussion” was about the penalty for disarming a police officer. Just so we are clear here.
I'm talking about the victims of cops which you called Karens if they speak up against the abuse.You’re such a victim. I’m sorry he hurt you.
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