You want some answers there Travis?
These are coming from someone with near max points who has been unsuccessful in drawing a LE elk permit here since 1985.
1. How many people here are biologists and have an inkling of what they are talking about?
Zero!
2. What type of education does it take to use the language, grammar, spelling and punctuation of the whiners?
6th or 7th grade ......well wait, even my 10th grader writes like that on the internet, LOL!
3. Can anyone tell me how many 400 bulls were killed this year?
Between zero and 2 if you take gross into account, not net, that I've heard of.
4. Of those 400 bulls did any come from a 3-4 year old management unit? Does that area border an over the counter any bull area, where an unlimited harvest is allowed?
I haven't heard of the bull you might be refering to here, so I can't comment.
5. I wonder how many 350 plus bulls got that way because they chose to live in a 7-8 year old managment unit or if they grew big by learning how to live to 7-8 in the unit they were born?
This is a loaded question that I don't think I have to answer without embarrasing myself
6. What is the average score of the bulls killed?
322" net. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
7. What percentage of LE bulls score 350?
38%
8. Could a guy kill a 350 bull in every unit if he applied himself?
No, there are only so many hunters whom have enough luck and/or skill to kill a 350+ bull on any of the units. I will say that my track record on open bull unit's puts me in the need of either luck or a really dumb 350" bull to get there on any of the units, LOL!
9. I hunt a unit (about the size of the Wasatch) in Idaho every year where 2000 plus bowhunters hunt, 500 any bull rifle tags are issued, 1000 cow rifle tags are issued. Each year 15-20 bulls score over 350 and yes some have grossed over 400. How does this happen if hunter pressure determine the size of the bulls?
It doesn't, thank you for saying so.
10. If Utah's management strategies have been the determining factor for the size of the bulls, why has every other western state experienced and increase in the number of bulls reaching the 350 mark in the past few years?
All western states have implemented some limited entry system in the last 15 years to improve quality on some or all of their units.
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This thread has turned around a bit and maybe some sense will come to those doing the most whining here.
For the record I am one who has and am waiting my turn patiently. I am also in favor of making changes slowly and carefully that will allow significant increases in opportunity, while still maintaining the opportunity for a 400" class bull. These changes will also by nature increase hunting pressure and the difficulty by which a 350" bull may be harvested.
The goal of this for me is to see that both my kids and myself get a second chance to hunt where the monsters roam. Lord knows I will probably need it
Cheers,
Pete