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LAST EDITED ON Sep-08-13 AT 10:10PM (MST)[p]Was able to check Mt. Goat off my bucket list this weekend. Just got in today, will try to get some details in. Nothing huge, but, was happy to get him.

Mt. Goats were just like hunting ibex, except the elevation is 14000 feet.

Was a great experience. DIY with my son, was able to meet up with a friend of mine from CO that I had not seen in almost 15 years. Here are a few pics until I can throw in a story.



This pic shows the cliffs he fell off and the rock slide he rolled down a hundred yards. The pic of the billies face is the only thing not covered with blood. The other side of his face is smashe up as well



Soaking in the creek to get the blood out.


spotting scope pic.



Pic of trail showing where goat was spotted from.






 
>Sweet Paul - Did you spot
>that beast from down in
>the valley or is there
>a trail up on the
>bench?

Reuben, that one pic shows a trail in the bottom of the canyon. That is where I spotted them from. It is about 2000 feet. No trails up. Just slip sliding up.

Day one we hiked up a gulch and gained a couple thousand feet for a 6 mile round trip, then that night I hiked to almost the same spot I shot the billy. That was 2 hikes in one day the first day at that elevation. Big mistake. I was almost 40 lbs more than last year. 270 lbs. and that mtn ruined me the first day. Glad I only had to go up there one more time.
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Paul congrats. Looks like that was a blast even though it was a ton of work. Some pretty country and a great goat to go along with it. I'll have to stop by when he's all done and in the house. What are your plans for the mount?
 
Definitely a job well done Paul. Not a very easy feat that must of been. Looks like your hard work paid off very well. Even better to be able to share that with your son. Congratulations.

~Jason Peterson


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Thanks guys. Leaning towards a full body mount.

Here is the story.

I have been applying in CO for about 14-15 years for Mt. Goat. I decided that I needed to draw some of these tough hunts while Zach was still at home to help me. He is my hunting buddy. He knows me, and I know what he can do.

I started to apply for easier to draw units. This meant either lower quality or more difficult hunts. This was a little of both.



I spent a lot of time talking to previous tag holders of this unit, guys from the CO forum really helped also, bioligist, warden and my friend Dennis that I knew when we both lived in CA (he moved to CO) actually went and scouted for me one weekend. He was going to join us, but, was delayed with a personal emergency. We left a note at camp telling him the drainage we were in, and then we left a radio on the quad. When I was caping the goat he had found the radio and was talking with me. There was some confusion about where we were at so Dennis missed the opportunity to pack a load of goat meat off the mountain. Was hoping to meet up with Zach from TOF, but, he was hunting elk in a unit near where we were.



I picked Zach up from school at noon on thursday and we went straight to CO. We pitched a tent that night and got after it Friday morning.

Well to make matters worse, I weighed in on this hunt about 40 lbs more than I weighed last year. 270lbs :smiley-yikes: . I knew that this was a once in a life time and that I needed to drop weight, but, my hand kept putting food in my mouth. I did however spend a lot of time hiking this year and that helped a lot. I picked the steepest country in my unit for hiking and that got me some sheds also.

Back to the story.

Thursday night we got in about 10:00 and threw up a tent and got a few hours of sleep. Next morning we went into the first gulch on our list (Dennis had seen goats in there) and right off we were finding them. They were basically white ibex. They hung out in the nastiest and steepest cliff areas there were and on the very top. We found maybe 20 goats up there, but, then watched a lot of them cross the mountain into the next drainage. We were hoping that maybe they would go lower on the other side or be more accessible.



We pulled out and drove into the mouth of the next drainage. This one the road went about 1/4 mile and then another 3 miles to its head. We were sure we would see some goats there.

Keep in mind that we were already at 10800 and the end of the drainage was 12800ft. We hiked all the way in glassing as we went and never saw a single goat. This was way discouraging and that last 500 ft of elevation gain was a #####. That ended up being a 6 mile round trip with 2000 ft of gain. We decided to go back to the original drainage. We got there it was about 1:30.

Sure enough we spotted some goats that we thought we could get at. I was already wupped, but, Zach convinced me to get off my fat azz and do it again. Now we had to go straight up the mountain. I was whining and crying to him that even if we killed one it would be dark when we had to go down the hill, but, I let him talk me into it.

Off we went. Straight up the side of them mountain starting at 11000 ft going to 13000 ft. I now was at a low point in my hunting career. My 15 yr old son was carrying my rifle. My dignity was left down on the bottom of the mountain. I had my pack and I had enough pride not to ask him to carry any more than my gun. I did have my own half gallon of water.

I was using both hiking poles at this point. We were watching this group of goats moving around the cliffs and we picked a spot that we thought that we could ambush them with a 300 yard shot. We got there and waited. They went behind a knob and we waited 45 minutes, they never came out and must have gone over the top. At 5:00 pm we called it. If we killed something then it would have been stupid and dangerous. Off the mountain we went. That was about a 3 mile round trip, but, this was our first day at this elevation and we had gained 2000 ft hiking twice. Very bad idea. I was popping ibuprofen.

We decided to drive to town and get some dinner. Had some crappy mexican food in Leadville and my 2 buddies Ben & Jerry consoled me. I ate Zachs ice cream also.



Next morning I told my pack mule that I was not going for any more joy marches up the mountain unless it was high percentage stuff. I was only going up if I felt strongly I could put a hole in one.

We went back to the original good drainage and saw only a nanny and a kid. We went back to the 4 wheelers and checked a couple other areas we could glass from the 4x4 roads. Zach convinced me to go back to the original drainage. It seemed they loved those cliffs and kept circling around the top of the mountains into that area.



to be continued.
 
So now we are back to the mountain that almost killed me the night before. We find the Nanny and kid again, but, nothing new. The sun is getting high. We are supposed to meet up with Dennis at noon, so that keeps us from going back to the truck, going over the Continental divide to try another drainage. We are debating what we should try and then I see a lone goat coming out of a part of that big cliff bowl that we could not see. Soon we see another and then 2 more.

There is a nanny for sure, then 2 other goats that are kinda acting like sattelites around her. Zach gets them into the spotting scope for me and I decided one of those sattelite goats was nice enough for the girls I date.

Now it is decision time. Do I have Zach come with me so I can cry and have him carry my rifle, or do I have him watch me in his spotting scope to know when to call the Medvac chopper. We decide that he is gonna watch me and come up the mountain with the butcher kit if I knock one down. That is how I began my stalk of shame.

In a way I was kinda relieved because taking 20 steps and then stopping because my heart is beating out of my chest was embarrassing when he was with me. I told him I should be up there in a couple hours and took off.

Him getting on the radio and asking me why I was taking another break did not help. I could also hear the music from his ipod when he called me on the radio to harass me. This was one of those times that I was wishing it was his tag instead of mine so I could watch through the spotting scope.

Luckily, I was able to stay behind the hump of the hill almost the whole way up with out showing myself to them, and occasionally crest the top and keep an eye on the goats. They had no idea I was coming.

The last stretch was a steep scree field and then boulders the size of doors. I crested the last ridge that put me at the same level as the goats. I ranged them at 422 and unless I went down the hill towards them or they came closer to me it would not get any closer.

If you look at the second pic I posted you see a black stripe in the middle of the pic. If you go a couple hundred yards above that and to the left there is a spot that is not a cliff. That is where they were and I was 422 yards to the right.

I got set up on a big boulder and tried to steady the crosshairs.

I finally got a good broadside and was about as steady as it was gonna get. It had now been almost 2.5 hours since I had left Zach. I took the shot. I saw the goat hunch up, but, I also saw a puff of dust. I jacked another shell. Now they were all milling around and my goat was heading down hill. I took another shot and this time the goat launched himself off the small cliff landing about 40 feet below, but, not off the big cliff. Now I am desperate. I am just trying to put lead in him. I took 5 shots at this point and not feeling real good about any of the last 4 because he was moving and he was intent on launching himself off the big cliff.

All of the goat hunters and the taxidermist I talked to before the hunt told me the same thing. Once a goat is hit. If he is not anchored he will head for the closest cliff and launch himself, normally landing on their face and breaking their horns.

He finally stopped and 25% of his body was actually leaning over the cliff. His head was still up. I decided to put one more bullet in him. I had plenty of time. So I made one more shot and the goat launched him self off the cliff right above that big black strip in the rock. That image will stay in my mind a long time. He hit the scree field below him at least 100 feet and just started rolling and rolling. He rolled at least 100 yards.

In hind site, it was best that he took that leap. Where he finally ended up I would have needed several hundred feet of rope that I did not have with me to get down to him and then to tie him off and lower him off the cliff. By the time we had got all that rope together from the truck, he would have been ruined worse than what happened from the fall.

Zach got on the radio and I could tell he was blown away. He had seen the whole disaster unfold. It was not my finest hour. We could both see this bloody rag doll sprawled out in that rock field. Zach told me he could not see his head when he was rolling down that mess.

Now came the 45 minute hike to get at the goat. The whole time I was praying that it was a billy and that he had his horns or I could at least find them. I got to the goat and he was a mess, but, he had both horns and after a further check of his anatomy he had billy equipment on him.

Other than that he was a mess. There were already big black flies on him, one front leg was held on by a strip of hide and the same with one back leg. One eye was gouged out and the eye lash and skin around the eye was destroyed. I remembered the taxidermist telling me when I called about how he wanted it caped, that whatever I do try not to get blood on the cape. He was covered. By the time Zach got up there I pretty much had him caped and broken down. I had Zach take the cape down and throw it in the lake. We had the daylight, so I got the meat cleaned up at the lake and cleaned the cape as best as I could in the creek that was fed by the late. Packs were not to bad and the hike down was pretty good as well.

I hope to hunt goats one more time myself if I can draw in MT, and I hope to someday be able to hunt them with Zach. The billy had 6 and 2/8" horns which is pretty small. A good billy in that unit is 8", but, only a couple of those are taken a year. I was happy to get him and considering we only had one more day to hunt, I am content on the decision not to hold out for the last day. Maybe next time we will be more selective. Just glad to get a goat in a tough unit.
 
Wow Paul, what a story, congrats on a nice billy! That's a trophy any day in my book! That's awesome that you got to hunt with your son, nothing better than that, even if he was giving you a hard time. Congrats again!
 
Nobody I would rather hunt with than my son. He never complains or is difficult when things are not going well. It is nice now that he is in better shape than me also.
 
Congrats! You guys are always harvesting some awesome animals and on a consistent bases! Always look forward to seeing your pics and hearing your stories. I think it's time for you guys for go hunt a more challenging animal like bigfoot, lockless and the chupracabra. ha ha Good luck on the rest of your hunts.
 
Congratulations Paul on a great goat!
It brings back memories (some parts nightmares like yours) of my goat hunt a couple years ago with my son.
What a great experience and I'm sure you are hooked on mt goat hunting and ready to do it again.

PS I will be headed back to your great state in a few weeks to hunt elk in th Gila. Can't wait.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-13-13 AT 12:16PM (MST)[p]CONGRATS Paul! Way to start out for the season!!!! What a hunt! THANKS for the story!!
 
I got one more chance to hunt Mt. Goats in MT down the road with some luck and I am thinking of building points for Zach as well in CO.
Very fun hunt, and better chance of hunting Mt. Goats than ibex in NM.
Another argument to build points, espescially for ibex, bighorn and oryx in NM.
 
Paul----Looks like you had a good hunt. You did good, there aren't any book goats here in Colorado. The DOW keeps them thinned out, they don't have a chance to get big & add in the fact they came from all over when they were released. The genes might not be there. What did the DOW age him at?

How were his pantaloons? I wished I did a half mount rather than a shoulder mount. The pantaloons are part of the trophy IMO.

That is one of the the hardest DIY hunt there is. You did well.

Boy, that country looks steep & nasty just like goats like.

Conglads,

Bob
 
Dang, Paul--that's awesome. But I have to say, the angle of that pic must not do justice. There's no way I guess you'd measure 270... ;-)
 

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