I am happy you enjoyed your opportunity to apply for tags that take opportunity away from the public draw. I'm glad you enjoyed the opportunity the state had to give away I believe 38 tags to out of state hunters through that draw. Its so awesome records were broke and millions were made And our quality of game and opportunity to hunt has never been worse. Good for you.I was there starting Wed night for the kickoff party and stayed till mid day Sunday.
Worked my tail off at every auction, banquets, elk calling and afterpartys.
Regardless of the outcome of this particular poll, records were broken in every category at the Expo, including attendance.
I didn't draw a $5 tag, but I enjoyed the extra opportunity the Expo gives to be able to apply for all OIL tags at once and an opportunity to draw elk tags when I am in my waiting period for 5 years.
Plus you live 6+ hrs away.Nope I refuse to support the BS, crooked system.
Plus you live 20+ hrs awayI don’t like making decisions. This is an easy one. No. Never have, never will. I stand by my principles.
I would not attend even if I lived next door to the Salt Palace. And I would not buy raffle tickets if they made them available online without attending.Plus you live 20+ hrs away
Ok Zim. Keep up the good work.I would not attend even if I lived next door to the Salt Palace. And I would not buy raffle tickets if they made them available online without attending.
But that’s just me. I’ve always been active politically, regardless if the issue affects me personally. Heck I joined Iowa Bowhunter’s Assoc despite I may never hunt there again, and if I did I could only draw once every 8 years. I admire their political activity & power, including fighting off multiple Ravin lobbyists & greased legislators annually.
I loathe corruption. Even moved my residence in 2019 to escape it.
I live 15 minutes away and I didn't go, for the same reason as Zim stated.Plus you live 6+ hrs away.
Haha. I would drive 20 hours to it, if it was ran by a different group and not surrounded by all the bs.Plus you live 6+ hrs away.
Do you drive to the sheep show in Reno? Or the DSC in Casper?Haha. I would drive 20 hours to it, if it was ran by a different group and not surrounded by all the bs.
Would just be a normal day for you?I’d rather go to an abstract art gallery in San Francisco and suck 75 d*cks in front of my mother.
Great! Then why don't we just put them back into the real public draw and see what happens? SFW & MDF will still have their Conservation permit funds and membership dues, EXPO tickets, booth fees, entertainment tickets, parking lot income and state, county and city tourist income. If the people still attend, the local businesses will still get the same amount of business they are getting now and the public will still draw the tags from the DWR, but with an increase of $5.00 per application. AND I think we can guarantee that all those tags will still be sold!I don't think the tags are the main draw anymore.
Why are you so obsessed with where I have been? I am happily married… Flattered, I am…Do you drive to the sheep show in Reno? Or the DSC in Casper?
No argument here. You spent 20min typing for nothing. I would not be hurt if they went back. I already drew my bull tag a couple years ago and shot a GREAT BULL. At least I can say it was not totally rigged that year.Great! Then why don't we just put them back into the real public draw and see what happens? SFW & MDF will still have their Conservation permit funds and membership dues, EXPO tickets, booth fees, entertainment tickets, parking lot income and state, county and city tourist income. If the people still attend, the local businesses will still get the same amount of business they are getting now and the public will still draw the tags from the DWR, but with an increase of $5.00 per application. AND I think we can guarantee that all those tags will still be sold!
Edited: Or we can set those 200 hunts aside of the main draw into another category ("Supra") and give them the same benefits the EXPO tags get, ie: no waiting periods, no points needed or lost, only one application per hunt but no limit on the number of hunts applied for. Only one Supra Hunt per year, etc. And the rules of the main hunt remain the same as they now are for the EXPO hunts (One moose per year, one buck deer per year, etc.) All those benefits, but without the validation. It won't be needed since the attendees are going to be here anyway! We could still charge only $5.00 per application and the DWR would still get what they are getting now, but I would wager that the number of applications would double since we know where the money is going and we don't have to make a 520 mile round trip to validate!
Because you act like you are on the A-list for conservation after a few yrs as a Wyo resident.Why are you so obsessed with where I have been? I am happily married… Flattered, I am…
I’d rather go to an abstract art gallery in San Francisco and suck 75 d*cks in front of my mother than attend that cesspool mullet flat brimmed douche festival where posers drool over non fair chase products while they peg eachother waiting in line to meet insta fame bigger douches. There I said it.
Thanks! I appreciate your prompting post, but don't flatter yourself too much! Actually, I wasn't typing it for you! I don't really care what you personally think about the EXPO, but I do care what the general hunting public thinks about it and I did what I usually do. I was just putting out to ALL the readers, a reasonable, workable idea of a way to put those tags back into the main public draw in the hopes that the DWR, SFW, MDF, RAC's, Wildlife Board and/or enough readers will pick up on it to consider a change. That way, it's a win for everybody!No argument here. You spent 20min typing for nothing. I would not be hurt if they went back. I already drew my bull tag a couple years ago and shot a GREAT BULL. At least I can say it was not totally rigged that year.
Why do you care how I choose to spend my time?Another 20min of wasted time.
3 for $265,000I don't know how many desert sheep tags they auctioned off,But it was to many.
I hate where the sport is going but it is my sport and every once in awhile i like to get around like minded people and just hang out. Fatrooster
Guess not?Allegations of corruption surround Utah Hunting and Conservation Expo
KUTVThe Utah Division of Wildlife Resources has come under fire for a decision made last December. State authorities approved a wildlife conservation group, Sportsman for Fish and Wildlife, as a permit distributor for a hunting expo that takes place in Sakutv.com
Thanks mannyAllegations of corruption surround Utah Hunting and Conservation Expo
KUTVThe Utah Division of Wildlife Resources has come under fire for a decision made last December. State authorities approved a wildlife conservation group, Sportsman for Fish and Wildlife, as a permit distributor for a hunting expo that takes place in Sakutv.com
Thanks Zim.Allegations of corruption surround Utah Hunting and Conservation Expo
KUTVThe Utah Division of Wildlife Resources has come under fire for a decision made last December. State authorities approved a wildlife conservation group, Sportsman for Fish and Wildlife, as a permit distributor for a hunting expo that takes place in Sakutv.com
SFW wants you to forget. They’ve always operated with that strategy. RMEF & Randy Newburg got screwed. To hell with our own regulations, we’ll just change all the rules even AFTER the deadline. You can’t make this stuff up. BTW - Even the governor gave his blessing to this fiasco.Thanks Zim.
I heard about this, but had not read anything for myself.
I hunted mule deer muzzleloader which coincided with archery elk for a few years and it was great. I think the wolves are gonna change things throughout the next 5 to 10 years so enjoy good hunting while you can. Goodluck. FatroosterSounds like you would love hunting Elk in Colorado during the OPTC archery season. If you like talking to people, there is no shortage no matter where you go!
Hurry up though, I hear its ending this year. lol
Randy “loose lips sink ships” Newberg got screwed… that’s hilarious…SFW wants you to forget. They’ve always operated with that strategy. RMEF & Randy Newburg got screwed. To hell with our own regulations, we’ll just change all the rules even AFTER the deadline. You can’t make this stuff up. BTW - Even the governor gave his blessing to this fiasco.
I live in Indiana, but have family there. My sister-in-law is an Utah state representative, district 10 (West Jordan).
What is this supposed to mean? Everyone knows what happened. It’s no secret. Even a dumbfounded KUTV ran several segments.Randy “loose lips sink ships” Newberg got screwed… that’s hilarious…
My comment had nothing to do with the expo…What is this supposed to mean? Everyone knows what happened. It’s no secret. Even a dumbfounded KUTV ran several segments.
How do you stop the whole bidding process AFTER the deadline. Go silent for 5 days. Then make an announcement that all the bid regulations will be changed to favor SFW & in-state sportsman’s organizations? And only then go back and evaluate the previously submitted proposals???
You can’t make this stuff up. Hell even Illinois corruption isn’t this brazen. Quite an accomplishment.
As if the 15-20 previous scandals weren’t enough to cement their legacy. Corri Rossi ring a bell? One of many.
How did Randy Newburg get screwed?SFW wants you to forget. They’ve always operated with that strategy. RMEF & Randy Newburg got screwed. To hell with our own regulations, we’ll just change all the rules even AFTER the deadline. You can’t make this stuff up. BTW - Even the governor gave his blessing to this fiasco.
I live in Indiana, but have family there. My sister-in-law is a Utah state representative, district 10 (West Jordan).
Plenty of details in the MM archives.How did Randy Newburg get screwed?
Is he the president of RMEF?
I don’t disagree. The difference being I don’t think any of his activities can be described as being nefarious, unethical nor illegal.My comment had nothing to do with the expo…
Randy has hot-spotted more units/states than anyone out there… I think he’s “screwed” his fare share of public resources…
How much money has “Newberg” or the thousands of “honest” YouTubers given back to the resources they pimp out, all while making money?I don’t disagree. The difference being I don’t think any of his activities can be described as being nefarious, unethical nor illegal.
Unfortunately there’s also thousands of other honest YouTubers educating greenhorns on a public resource. I don’t hate any of them. In fact, I planned ahead for it back in 1996.
Well, not sure about a figure for Randy, but he did help me give back approx. $350 million worth of big game tags to AZ since 2012. That alone is some significant coin. Also I know he’s also been involved in getting public access grants through RMEF. That’s in fact better than money as money breeds corruption. They go hand in hand. I’m quite sure we both know that. Illinois is the corruption capital of the East, and Utah is the corruption capital of the West.How much money has “Newberg” or the thousands of “honest” YouTubers given back to the resources they pimp out, all while making money?
ZERO that’s how much….