txhunter58
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First time applicant. Book says results out on April 24. Are they generally available sooner than the stated date or do they wait til that day?
I remember my 1st time....hit on a 1% odds Gila tag as a non-resident!First time applicant. Book says results out on April 24. Are they generally available sooner than the stated date or do they wait til that day?
Same…. I don’t even anticipate NM results anymore. It’s a shame because I used to hunt every year pretty muchNot so patiently waiting for the results. Used to draw every 2-3 years before NM cut DIY guys down to 6% of available tags. Have not seen a tag since. Hoping for a tag but not really expecting one again this year.
One of the great things about EPLUS! You always have another couple options in New Mexico.Dont feel to bad Non residents. Res odds are pretty bad now also.
Remember about 5 years ago when main stream media was pushing the narrative that there are less hunters, and only hunters were old white men. I guess that was a lie.
I PM'd you if you meant me...EPLUS is the the New Mexico Elk Private Land Use System.Did you? Also, why is it that you can’t receive a PM. And what is EPLUS?
Nailed it!We shall see!!! OTC harvest reports due by Sunday.
They have all the ability to do the draw on the 10th, and audit and release results by the 17th
15 is definitely a “trophy” unit in NM. Atleast as far as draw odds go. I haven’t looked but I’m guessing most of the hunts in unit 15 these days for NR are 1:100 or harder.I personally don’t put in for the trophy units for elk or deer. I go for the in between hunts. Instead of doing 16d I would do 15, instead of 34 I would do 36. The only real trophy hunts I put in for would be big horn and antelope I guess.
Ya for non residents it’s definitely not good. I guess when I mean “trophy units” I’m just basing it off of the odds for a resident. 16d and 34 just were the first ones that came to my mind. I think unit 15 is great but it doesn’t get the numbers some of the other units get.15 is definitely a “trophy” unit in NM. Atleast as far as draw odds go. I haven’t looked but I’m guessing most of the hunts in unit 15 these days for NR are 1:100 or harder.
Those are still some Doozies to drawI personally don’t put in for the trophy units for elk or deer. I go for the in between hunts. Instead of doing 16d I would do 15, instead of 34 I would do 36. The only real trophy hunts I put in for would be big horn and antelope I guess.
My guess is, he either hasn't actually entered every year or doesn't use a very good strategy if he has actually entered the last 17 years.I know a gentleman that lives in 34. He hasn't drawn a tag in that unit for 17 years. He's pissed. He and his friend have horses and they go every year to a spot he says holds huge bulls. I said huge. He said 360 plus. He said when he wants elk meat he goes over to a friends ranch and they drink a glass of whiskey and he shoots a cow from his porch.
He just tells me maybe one day he will draw and just shakes his head.
If he's putting in for 2nd Archery, Muzzy or Rifle bull in 34, I can see him not drawing for 17 years very easily.My guess is, he either hasn't actually entered every year or doesn't use a very good strategy if he has actually entered the last 17 years.
As a resident, he either has truly terrible luck...or a terrible strategy and has no luck what he is doing from an odds perspective.
I don't believe he's lying to me. I guess it's bad luck. However, I have another friend in NM that hasn't drawn in almost 15 years. I don't think he's lying to me either.My guess is, he either hasn't actually entered every year or doesn't use a very good strategy if he has actually entered the last 17 years.
As a resident, he either has truly terrible luck...or a terrible strategy and has no luck what he is doing from an odds perspective.
Again, goes back to his strategy.I don't believe he's lying to me. I guess it's bad luck. However, I have another friend in NM that hasn't drawn in almost 15 years. I don't think he's lying to me either.
What I stated was he has applied for 34 for 17 years without being drawn. Not sure why you're trying to read more than that into it.Again, goes back to his strategy.
For example
ELK-1-351 in unit 34 in 2023
126 tags for Residents
8419 resident appilcants across 1st thru 3rd choice.
1.5% draw odds
If he goes all in Unit 34, yea, terrible odds.
Does he mix in a Unit 9 as a 3rd choice every year to make sure he draws something? Probably not.
The only point I am making is residents get mad and say they can't draw and havent in X number of years....but likey they can, most years. They just can't go all in on super premium hunts.What I stated was he has applied for 34 for 17 years without being drawn. Not sure why you're trying to read more than that into it.
He wants to hunt in 34. Not sure how that's confusing.The only point I am making is residents get mad and say they can't draw and havent in X number of years....but likey they can, most years. They just can't go all in on super premium hunts.
If they really wants to hunt elk most years, he just needs to change his approach and he can.
Example if he would prefer to at least hunt over not,
Add this code for 3rd choice
ELK-3-155
31 Resident Tags
88 applicants
35% odds.
A good strategy could be pick a 34 option as 1st choice, something middle of the road for 2nd choice and something with bad success rates at a 3rd choice and he is likely at least hunting every other year or so.
I would do this over not hunting for 17 years. But most people have no idea how these draw odds work and how to stack choices.
Maybe he needs this explained to him?...if he is open to hunting vs only hunting Unit 34.
I think your point is well taken, but more in general not for this particular case. I don't think WestTxHunter was soliciting input or advice, just making a statement.The only point I am making is residents get mad and say they can't draw and havent in X number of years....but likey they can, most years. They just can't go all in on super premium hunts.
If they really wants to hunt elk most years, he just needs to change his approach and he can.
Example if he would prefer to at least hunt over not,
Add this code for 3rd choice
ELK-3-155
31 Resident Tags
88 applicants
35% odds.
A good strategy could be pick a 34 option as 1st choice, something middle of the road for 2nd choice and something with bad success rates at a 3rd choice and he is likely at least hunting every other year or so.
I would do this over not hunting for 17 years. But most people have no idea how these draw odds work and how to stack choices.
Maybe he needs this explained to him?...if he is open to hunting vs only hunting Unit 34.
I guess what plays into his thinking is he can get a cow tag whenever he wants it. But yes, I was just making a statement.I think your point is well taken, but more in general not for this particular case. I don't think WestTxHunter was soliciting input or advice, just making a statement.
Does get frustrating seeing on social medial usually all the people complaining about not drawing year after year. Agreed that most complaining probably don't know how to use the draw odds correctly or even look at the odds at all.
What part of him getting a cow tag anytime he wants it is confusing?You talked about two example where NM residents don't draw long term. I am showing how they can...not just for your example but for the constant narrative people read on these boards about how bad residents think their odds are in the draw.
Residents can draw, and pretty often...just not with a bad strategy.
They definitely are awesome tags but I’m just saying they are more realistic of actually getting a tag if you put in for the right tags. Those early rifle and muzzleloader hunts are hard to draw, there are some decent units you could draw dam near every year if you are archery hunting. Usually the early archery hunts have decent odds across the state for residents I would love a second hunt but odds go down drastically. So I settle for first huntsThose are still some Doozies to draw
That last few days of 1st archery can be really good though!They definitely are awesome tags but I’m just saying they are more realistic of actually getting a tag if you put in for the right tags. Those early rifle and muzzleloader hunts are hard to draw, there are some decent units you could draw dam near every year if you are archery hunting. Usually the early archery hunts have decent odds across the state for residents I would love a second hunt but odds go down drastically. So I settle for first hunts
Yes sir I agree. We have had some great rutting action on the first hunt, I’m sure it’s nothing like a second hunt but we still have a blast.That last few days of 1st archery can be really good though!
I’ll take a 1st season archery tag as many times as they want to hand it out!!!They definitely are awesome tags but I’m just saying they are more realistic of actually getting a tag if you put in for the right tags. Those early rifle and muzzleloader hunts are hard to draw, there are some decent units you could draw dam near every year if you are archery hunting. Usually the early archery hunts have decent odds across the state for residents I would love a second hunt but odds go down drastically. So I settle for first hunts
I'm excited for this in 13, 15 in a couple years. Gonna really help increase the age class in those unit which are already good units.I’m interested to see how the draw odds for the late Oct mzzldr seasons in some of the quality units are after this year. 2nd year for iron sights, gonna save some bulls and improve quality but definitely a tougher hunt with the limited range and bulls being bachelored up and not rutting nearly as much.
I mean, the are only so many guesses on when the results will post. The rest is conversation around those results.Why do these posts always get sidetracked? Expecting 6am on April 24th, hoping for 6am in April 17th! Gunna be Christmas Red n Green this year. I have faith. Ha.
These guys are my favorite. Definition of insanity, etc.I know a gentleman that lives in 34. He hasn't drawn a tag in that unit for 17 years. He's pissed. He and his friend have horses and they go every year to a spot he says holds huge bulls. I said huge. He said 360 plus. He said when he wants elk meat he goes over to a friends ranch and they drink a glass of whiskey and he shoots a cow from his porch.
He just tells me maybe one day he will draw and just shakes his head.
He doesn't seem to likely that suggestion....or show other people how to change their strategy. LolThese guys are my favorite. Definition of insanity, etc.
All the more reason to… I don’t know… look at draw odds and adjust your strategy.
You won't know what your odds are exactly until after that season, but you look back at last year's draw data that is easily accessible m...exactly like I did above for example, to have an idea what you are gonna be up against this year.I did not know you could figure draw odds with out the number of applicants.
But I do know its not uncommon to go years without drawing a elk tag.
You can’t …I did not know you could figure draw odds with out the number of applicants.
But I do know its not uncommon to go years without drawing an elk tag.
Once again, he gets a cow tag whenever he wants it. He wants to hunt 34. Not sure why that is hard to understand.These guys are my favorite. Definition of insanity, etc.
All the more reason to… I don’t know… look at draw odds and adjust your strategy.
A good friend would give him a landowner bull tagI guess what plays into his thinking is he can get a cow tag whenever he wants it. But yes, I was just making a statement.
What’s hard to understand is that he employs the same silly strategy and then complains about it when it doesn’t work.Once again, he gets a cow tag whenever he wants it. He wants to hunt 34. Not sure why that is hard to understand.
His strategy is keep applying for 34 Bull and shoot a cow when he wants elk meat until he draws. Oh the horror.
Yup, was removed yesterday. The new pattern is it's removed on the day of the harvest report deadline.The delete button is gone!
EPLUS is the reason for low draw odds...40-50% of available tags go to land owners, depending on the unit.I PM'd you if you meant me...EPLUS is the the New Mexico Elk Private Land Use System.
It is the pool of tags that go to landowners outside of the draw. And the system in place to encourage landowners to support and develop better elk habitat.
Disagree.EPLUS is the reason for low draw odds...40-50% of available tags go to land owners, depending on the unit.
Additonally, the breakdown of where tags go makes perfect sense too.EPLUS is the reason for low draw odds...40-50% of available tags go to land owners, depending on the unit.
Meh….Example:
2023
Unit 16A - Primo Gila Unit
615 Tags in the Draw
25 Landowner Tags
~4% of this unit is Landowner tags
Roughly 3% of the land in that unit is Private (according to TopRut / OnX)
Makes sense
If those 25 tags were in the draw, the odds would be almost unchanged for Residents, Outfitters, or Non-Residents.
But those 25 tags, represent the ability own land and get a tag or buy a tag.
In 16A, of course the unitwide Bull or Archery tags sell for a ton. of the 25 landowner tags...there were only 18 tags you could buy that were bull or archery in 2023.
However, 22,815 1st to 3rd choice for a draw tag were entered in unit 16A last year for the draw.
EPLUS isn't the reason you struggle to draw a tag, especially in top end units, as you can see here.
Noticed this morning. They’ll be done tomorrow. Whether they release them early or not is the million dollar question.OIL status and 2024 harvest report pages are down...
Assuming there is no hiccups or they just decide to switch it up, should be next Wednesday. The pattern is consistent.Noticed this morning. They’ll be done tomorrow. Whether they release them early or not is the million dollar question.
Ooohh babyAssuming there is no hiccups or they just decide to switch it up, should be next Wednesday. The pattern is consistent.
BRO!!! Your friend at the G&F telling you all this ? I know you two are buddies...Noticed this morning. They’ll be done tomorrow. Whether they release them early or not is the million dollar question.
Damn….. putting BUGLE on blast. Snitches get stitches rat!BRO!!! Your friend at the G&F telling you all this ? I know you two are buddies...
Hell no!!! I can barely string a sentence together on an email , but when it comes to draw results I’ll hack NASABRO!!! Your friend at the G&F telling you all this ? I know you two are buddies...
The NM results will 100% be out by or on the 24th, and as you have stated Utah is due on the 25th. You’ll know your NM results before the Utah application period closes, don’t worry.UT apps are due on the 25th. Hopefully, NM results are out before then.
Hoping for some NM love again this year. Our family has been blessed with several great tags in the past.
You're probably right.A good friend would give him a landowner bull tag
Is that resident or non-resident draw? You have a popular name with the computers either way!I expect nothing, have been more lucky than I deserve. OIL ibex, oryx, elk in 16d and 16 e twice and a 36 archery deer tag.
I still put in though so when I draw the sheep tag I can REALLY piss everyone off.
Like Philthy pissed everyone off a phew years ago by drawing desert and rocky mountain sheep tags within 3 years? ha ha, good luck in the draw!!!I expect nothing, have been more lucky than I deserve. OIL ibex, oryx, elk in 16d and 16 e twice and a 36 archery deer tag.
I still put in though so when I draw the sheep tag I can REALLY piss everyone off.
Yep and that is next weekNothing to get excited about until the man goes turkey hunting.
Back in 2011 we struck gold and I made three trips to NM:waiting for the results. What was your best year for tags? and how many?
2022waiting for the results. What was your best year for tags? and how many?
non res but some were outfitter draw. Still very luckyIs that resident or non-resident draw? You have a popular name with the computers either way!
He hasn't been online since July 2023. But there is a new account with a similar username w/ an ! at the end.Nothing to get excited about until the man goes turkey hunting.
Where do you live now?I haven't drawn in New Mexico since 2019 when I drew a pronghorn tag and a deer tag. Filled both tags with great animals. I used to at least draw my third choice deer tag every year. I am looking forward to becoming a resident again in my home state. All I need to do is finish up my career, retire, and move home!!!
Alpine, AZWhere do you live now?
If you are successful you will get an email , maybe 10ish but by then many already know as its released on customer accounts . You can call 888-248-6866 but be patient as there is limited staff taking heavy call numbers.They send an email but I can't remember how timely it is.
Just keep checking this thread it will be as fast as anything out when results are posted.
Oh damnAlpine, AZ
Rio is here! Going Turkey hunting soon?If you are successful you will get an email , maybe 10ish but by then many already know as its released on customer accounts . You can call 888-248-6866 but be patient as there is limited staff taking heavy call numbers.
You know it !! Could leave this "afternoon" if things work out, my buddy is up on the hill with his son for this youth weekend and I just enjoy being apart of it.. ... Or maybe I head out next week, just need some things to be approved and such! The real question is northern NM still covered up in snow and do I just go back to central stuff???Rio is here! Going Turkey hunting soon?
Tear it up brother !You know it !! Could leave this "afternoon" if things work out, my buddy is up on the hill with his son for this youth weekend and I just enjoy being apart of it.. ... Or maybe I head out next week, just need some things to be approved and such! The real question is northern NM still covered up in snow and do I just go back to central stuff???
Good luck and have fun! I'm not going to make it out till end of the month, but can't wait to get out. Hopefully I'll be celebrating some soon to be good news... hahaYou know it !! Could leave this "afternoon" if things work out, my buddy is up on the hill with his son for this youth weekend and I just enjoy being apart of it.. ... Or maybe I head out next week, just need some things to be approved and such! The real question is northern NM still covered up in snow and do I just go back to central stuff???
Do you know anything about 2b and snow levels if any?Snow like crazy up north. Many roads are locked. Just an FYI
Never drawn for NM in about 20 years of applying hope this is the year.waiting for the results. What was your best year for tags? and how many?
lol. How?Never drawn for NM in about 20 years of applying hope this is the year.
Not sure I do put in for the better archery hunts. Drawn a few randoms in Idaho but never NMlol. How?
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