Looks like a fire just started up there...I’m hoping the Wasatch doesn’t burn this year! If I would’ve drawn with max points I would probably turn my muzzleloader bull tag back in.
That is our plan, too. Hopefully fires don’t kick up.Sure do! We'll sadly hang the guns up and grab the fishing poles in its place.
That’s a good dream, but not reality. When the whole Nebo unit burned in 2018, do you know what they told those tag holders? “Sorry about your bad luck.”100 degrees the first of June does not bode well for a smokeless Fall, but if you have a tag I think you have to adapt and roll with the punches. I burned 26 elk points and I can only pray for rain and decent horn growth! Hopefully if a fire burns up your unit, you can get some kind of option to roll over the tag for next year?
Well, 4x4 you must be a native. Because you nailed that one. Don't forget you need to be an expert at picking stickers out of your socks......or just burn them, if your pants aren't long enough. I've had guys come hunt in Cali and see the weather thinking they'll do the 'Africa thing' and hunt in shorts......huge mistake!Head over to A zone in CA. The state issues 65,000 deer tags just for A zone and you can buy up to two of them annually. Best part is you can archery hunt most of July and rifle hunt Aug/Sept. The weather is great with most days above 100 degrees and the small flies that swarm your face are just a lovely part of the experience!!
As long as the area is not closed down to any access. I'll still hunt in a fresh burn. I've seen bucks walking right inside a fresh burn area with trees still burning just a few hundred yards away. If also seen elk bed inside fresh burn areas.
That’s not always true. I’ve personally been in areas on fire that the FS still allowed people to hunt if they chose to do so. They let everyone in the area know the situation, advised against people going into there, but Gave us the choice to continue if we were willing to accept the risks and said we would leave immediately if the fire started getting pushed lower into the canyons than they were anticipating. Just like ridge mentioned, I saw deer feeding yards away from pines on fire. They weren’t bothered by them at all. This was a pretty significant fire. Not just a little 100 acre blaze.If It's Burning!
They Don't Care if You Can See a 230"ER in the Smoke/Flames!
They Ain't Gonna Let You Hunt it!
Seen a Few Tough Guys here Last Year Get Escorted off the Mountain!
That’s not always true. I’ve personally been in areas on fire that the FS still allowed people to hunt if they chose to do so. They let everyone in the area know the situation, advised against people going into there, but Gave us the choice to continue if we were willing to accept the risks and said we would leave immediately if the fire started getting pushed lower into the canyons than they were anticipating. Just like ridge mentioned, I saw deer feeding yards away from pines on fire. They weren’t bothered by them at all. This was a pretty significant fire. Not just a little 100 acre blaze.
There's a lot of thing that ole elkass says that's not quite true. Only in his world.That’s not always true.
Head over to A zone in CA. The state issues 65,000 deer tags just for A zone and you can buy up to two of them annually. Best part is you can archery hunt most of July and rifle hunt Aug/Sept. The weather is great with most days above 100 degrees and the small flies that swarm your face are just a lovely part of the experience!!
There's a lot of thing that ole elkass says that's not quite true. Only in his world.
Agree, and there's nothing left there to burn. If the cats, bears and coyotes haven't eaten them all, the hunting should be great.Head over to A zone in CA. The state issues 65,000 deer tags just for A zone and you can buy up to two of them annually. Best part is you can archery hunt most of July and rifle hunt Aug/Sept. The weather is great with most days above 100 degrees and the small flies that swarm your face are just a lovely part of the experience!!
A drought is the best thing for bulls in the wasatch and north. Plenty of feed up high in there and the feed will be much more nutrient dense then on a wet year.I’m hoping the Wasatch doesn’t burn this year! If I would’ve drawn with max points I would probably turn my muzzleloader bull tag back in.
What makes drought years better than wet years for nutrients in plants?A drought is the best thing for bulls in the wasatch and north. Plenty of feed up high in there and the feed will be much more nutrient dense then on a wet year.
So let’s paint a different picture…What I Posted is the F'N Truth!
Just Because YOU Don't wanna Believe it,Well that's Your Choice!
I Never Said You Couldn't Find a PISSCUTTER amongst The Smoke & Flames!
You Wanna Break the Laws During a Closure Because there's a Fire in the Area & They are Concerned about your Safety Get the F after it!
In higher elevations and northern climates with more consistent rainfall the plants get to much bulk (water) in them. A deer or elks belly is only so big so if they fill it with bulky low nutrient food they don’t do as well as the same belly full of high nutrient food. In desert climates the more rain the better as those plants have had stockpiled nutrients just waiting for rain to use them. Where they get more rain the plants will have a higher nutrient content on dry years. That’s why desert areas always produce big stuff on wet years. If it was simply the amount of food the deer, elk and antelope up here in ND that stand out in alfalfa, field peas and soybeans up to their chests all summer would be giant but they never produce like the southwestern desert bucks and bulls can on a wet year. We are in a major drought here in ND this summer and the results will be great for antler growth for our elk, deer and antelope.What makes drought years better than wet years for nutrients in plants?
So let’s paint a different picture…
let’s say you drew your long awaited LE elk tag last year. And the state imposed a county wide lock down because of COVID, and you couldn’t travel to your hunt area, legally. DWR isn’t issuing refunds, extensions or tags being turned in with bonus points reinstated because you couldn’t meet their new timeline due to the lock down happening days before your hunt. They just tell you “sorry, there’s nothing we can do”.
given the nature of your previous posts, I’m certain you would do 1 of 2 things, probably both. 1) throw a toddler tantrum of epic proportions on every forum you could possibly sign in to and/or 2) say F it, and go hunting anyway, violating new mandates and breaking the law.
but it would all be for your “safety” of course. Not just to inconvenience you.
Don’t try to tell us you’d stay home and play the cards you were dealt. We all know that wouldn’t be happening.
guess breaking the laws is only ok when it’s convenient or impacts you?
Way to avoid the answer related to my specific questionHere We Go!
Now You Are Gonna Bring COVID in to the Hunting Picture!
GEEZUS!
Your Government Said When the Warm/Hot Weather Hit COVID Would Die Off!
How'd That Go For You?
You've Probably Already Got Your COVID Shots The Government Told You to get!
DO AS I SAY!
SLOWLY!
BUT DAMN SURELY!
KEEP BABBLIN YOUR BULLSSHITT!
I'll Crack another DEW!
So what does all what you said has to do with the plant nutrition under drought conditions on the Wasatch. I would not consider the Wasatch a rainforest even on the wettest years.In higher elevations and northern climates with more consistent rainfall the plants get to much bulk (water) in them. A deer or elks belly is only so big so if they fill it with bulky low nutrient food they don’t do as well as the same belly full of high nutrient food. In desert climates the more rain the better as those plants have had stockpiled nutrients just waiting for rain to use them. Where they get more rain the plants will have a higher nutrient content on dry years. That’s why desert areas always produce big stuff on wet years. If it was simply the amount of food the deer, elk and antelope up here in ND that stand out in alfalfa, field peas and soybeans up to their chests all summer would be giant but they never produce like the southwestern desert bucks and bulls can on a wet year. We are in a major drought here in ND this summer and the results will be great for antler growth for our elk, deer and antelope.
Just razzin ya Elk!What I Posted is the F'N Truth!
Just Because YOU Don't wanna Believe it,Well that's Your Choice!
I Never Said You Couldn't Find a PISSCUTTER amongst The Smoke & Flames!
You Wanna Break the Laws During a Closure Because there's a Fire in the Area & They are Concerned about your Safety Get the F after it!
doesn’t matter the topic, safety is safety.
And we both know if it was your OIL elk tag in your pocket instead of your general deer tag, you wouldn’t eat it in peace and stay home.
but you can believe your lie. No one else does however
Just razzin ya Elk!
I've never hunted a "keep out" area but I have hunted plenty that have been closed to vehicle travel until further notice. Big difference.
That's easy. Use the hubris of mankind to curb the effects of climate change...I read tonight the Utah governor has asked for residents to pray for rain. I believe in prayer. You may scoff, but do you have a better idea? I’d like to hear it.
It's coming. Lockdowns for climate change, masks optional but encouraged.That's easy. Use the hubris of mankind to curb the effects of climate change...
We know you would! You just aren’t admitting it (or denying it either)So?
In Your Eyes You'd Break the Law Depending on Which Tag You Had?
Sounds about Right!
Same Mentality as the Law Breakin Bittches on their Wheelers!
Like I Said!
Keep Babblin your BullShhitt!
Ol Elkass is always so positive, lolThere's a lot of thing that ole elkass says that's not quite true. Only in his world.
Where at?
My daughter said she came down from Red Lodge and there is 4 fires in the area now
The Wasatch isn’t exactly a desert. I’ve hunted elk near there multiple times and the bulls are always better on drought years when everyone is crying that the sky is falling in the desert. Cattle will suffer as they need bulk they need a ton of grass and aren’t trying to grow antlers. An acre of ND grass will blow any acre in Utah out of the water when it comes to growing cattle, but not growing horns. Again it goes back to having nutrient dense forage. Elk only have a certain amount of room in their stomachs and if they fill it full of high protein nutrient dense food they’ll grow bigger antlers. If it’s bulky watered down forage they’ll be in good shape (just like the calves) but they won’t grow antlers as well.So what does all what you said has to do with the plant nutrition under drought conditions on the Wasatch. I would not consider the Wasatch a rainforest even on the wettest years.
Can you explain why cattlemen weaned calf weight suffers under drought conditions on the higher mountain grazing allotments of Utah.
Sorry but I do not think North Dakota deer and elk genetics is the same as Arizona deer and elk genetics.
I have lived in utah my whole life and hunted utah every year that I have been able to hunt. I have never seen deer or elk antlers better during drought years vs wet years.The Wasatch isn’t exactly a desert. I’ve hunted elk near there multiple times and the bulls are always better on drought years when everyone is crying that the sky is falling in the desert. Cattle will suffer as they need bulk they need a ton of grass and aren’t trying to grow antlers. An acre of ND grass will blow any acre in Utah out of the water when it comes to growing cattle, but not growing horns. Again it goes back to having nutrient dense forage. Elk only have a certain amount of room in their stomachs and if they fill it full of high protein nutrient dense food they’ll grow bigger antlers. If it’s bulky watered down forage they’ll be in good shape (just like the calves) but they won’t grow antlers as well.
Plane crash got that one going. Might as well finish off the last patch of trees the last fire missed.The Stansburys behind my house are now on fire. View attachment 44207
with predicted higher south winds picking up tomorrow. The fire may burn most of western Hickman canyon in the next 48 hours. You are right about most of that mountain has been hit hard by fires the past 14 years.Plane crash got that one going. Might as well finish off the last patch of trees the last fire missed.