desperatehills
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App numbers/point creep after the highly anticipated 2021 Colorado mule deer draw
A deep dive into one of the most talked about draws of 2021
You make some valid points, but "a bunch of companies monetizing the hunting application process" cannot account for a 1/3 increase in applications in only one year (talking about NM here).The increase in applications is a direct result of a bunch of companies monetizing the hunting application process. The entire income model of companies like Go hunt and Epic is to get more people to apply to more hunts. And that is simply what we are seeing. It's 10 years of guys on YouTube say "it's easy, you should be applying too". Information is getting easier to get. It's not the number of hunter that is increasing. It is the number of hunters applying for multiple opportunities that is exponentially increasing. 20-30 years ago the average guy hunted their own state and maybe went on one deer or elk hunt a year in another state. It took time to research new areas and good information was harder to get. My father and his friends had their one "yearly elk hunt" in the same unit in Colorado for 30 years. Today, my friends and I have built points in literally every state out west worth point building. Information is cheep. For $150 a year, you can have a wealth of hunting knowledge that our fathers couldn't even imagine. Every State application process is explained in depth. And every opportunity is written about as a "your missing out if you are not apply for "x"".
It will be interesting how next years Colorado draws go. Will people base their 22' application strategy on historic point trends or just off of last years? If they just looks at the 2021 point statistics the Point creep will be the a new baseline for a lot of units.
I personally jumped into NM for the 1st time this year for the simple fact they don't have a point system, so no point creep. I also applied in Colorado and Utah. Really feel like I'm wasting my time in Utah, have 15 elk points and can't draw anything. Did draw a Colorado deer which required a ridiculous number of points (23). I listen to several different hunting podcasts, and the general theme is you will never draw the most wanted tags in states that use preference points if you're not close to max points already.You make some valid points, but "a bunch of companies monetizing the hunting application process" cannot account for a 1/3 increase in applications in only one year (talking about NM here).
You boys could pay me 150 a year and I will tell you what tags you are going to draw. Won’t be as glamorous as the magazines and subscriptions make it out to be, but you will have tags in your pockets.
Rich
And don’t forget it costs about nothing to apply. An application fee that costs what a beer does, and in a couple of places a license fee. For my states, I already bough the license anyway.
Back in the good old days, you had to do some paperwork and mail it in. Or like we did in AZ and drive it to greenway road, where the driveway was manned with staff until 7 pm and cars went clear around the building. It’s too easy now.
The fact no one has offered up screenshots, screams at the embarrassment of those that have paid for this service and are just now realizing their pants are down and their pockets are empty. Next spring send me your thoughts,I won't charge you a dime!
The kids don’t know how easy they have it these days. There are people out there that pay someone to bring their toilet paper.Hell gettin old Blue! "Get off my lawn!"
The kids don’t know how easy they have it these days. There are people out there that pay someone to bring their toilet paper.
I’m honestly thinking I didn’t even know a “guide” back in the 70’s and early 80’s. This crap all went to hell in my short time here on Earf. Yes, I’m old. But by God I at least know what the good old day’s were.![]()
Same here in Utah so I’m letting them have my points, they say there is always a chance but same is true about getting struck by lighting or hitting the lotto.I personally jumped into NM for the 1st time this year for the simple fact they don't have a point system, so no point creep. I also applied in Colorado and Utah. Really feel like I'm wasting my time in Utah, have 15 elk points and can't draw anything. Did draw a Colorado deer which required a ridiculous number of points (23). I listen to several different hunting podcasts, and the general theme is you will never draw the most wanted tags in states that use preference points if you're not close to max points already.
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