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LAST EDITED ON Oct-29-13 AT 12:33?PM (MST)
>Muley73 and tripster,
>
>I dont think they are trying
>to shut them down.
>They are not lobbying to
>shut down BGF and $FW,
>but rather have them come
>clean with the money they
>are given. To me
>it clear. I dont
>think for 1 bit that
>its to shut them down.
> They ahve even said
>and agree that they have
>done some good things.
>INFACT, the 2 things that
>I really like rigth now
>of SFW is that they
>are trying to help the
>pheasant populations right now (1
>of my favorite past times).
> The other is the
>deer transplant. Many say
>it wont work, but atleast
>they are trying.
>
>Now with that said, if they
>could come clean with what
>they are doing with $$$
>that is given them, I
>would love to be a
>member AGAIN, YES, AGAIN.
They pheasant's are majority roosters. As is the case with almost all sfw initiatives concerning population, someone in that "think tank" is under the impression that male animals can give birth. And when are the sky predators going to be put in check because there are plenty of toothed predators on the ground munching on birds, but the most active to take out what is left of the farm bred and then released population, after hunters, are those from the air. Why aren't they releasing more in the southern region? There is more natural forage, cover, and better climate than up north. But I'm not a bird expert, just going on common sense in that regard.
Regarding the translocation of deer. I was on the range ride with the biologists and members of sfw and other groups where it was first discussed in public. Leary of intentions, UWC and others supported the project on the grounds that no public money was used on a futile experiment until there was something viable. The division and sfw agreed and the COR was issued with the expressed limitation that no public monies were to be alocated. There's a dicotomy in and of itself in the giving of public animals to a private organization to "study" when we could have generated money for more doe tags and allowed hunters the opportunity to harvest meat and help that particular winter range. Then, the real intentions of Don and sfw came to light with the "sacrificial anode theory" in this email:
From: Don Peay [mailto:
[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:41 AM
To: David Smedley, XXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: Some additional thoughts
"David
Thanks for your analysis, and the additional thoughts and the conservative or cautious estimate and cause of unknown deaths.
In late August, you reported on dead deer found and unharmed, the rest have been scavenged
5. thoughts
1. Do deer just fall over and die in good habitat in the summer, when other deer are showing no signs of disease?
2. If you assume a random distribution of deer dying from say the Monday they were checked, till they were found dead the next Monday, a fair number of deer would have died in the Friday, Saturday, or Sunday and the fact all but one dead deer has been scavenged, coyote death is probably a good probability of death. I doubt most of the deer died on Tuesday or Wednesday of natural causes giving coyotes 3 to 5 days to find them and scavenge them.
3. I think one enhancement of the study next year is to not look for fawns until September. Jim Karpowitz said several times from his deer study it is futile looking for fawns until late August, or September. And the. Focus could be greater intensity on finding the cause of death in 7 days interim from survey.
4. Sacrificial anode theory. I think this study is proving the sportsmen right, and the DWR right. The DWR - specifically former game manager mike welch - that the transplanted deer didn't do as well as natives. However, sportsmen might be right, the transplanted Deer take some pressure from predation of native herds. Thus, in the end, a successful restoration of the Henry Mountain deer herd. A combination of better habitat, water,predator control, and transplants. in engineering, sometimes you attach a piece of zinc to a copper pipe. The system has unsolvable corrosion problems, so you put something for the corrosion to eat and let your pipes alone.
5. For these coyotes to be scavenging every caucus shows there are still way to many coyotes, and there ought to be a super intensive coyote control program the next five months. This study isn't to see if coyotes or predators kill deer. The objective as I understand it is to see if Deer can be transplanted, and increase deer populations
Sorry, the old scientist comes out in me once in a while, and these are some facts to consider.
Thanks for the persistent hard work. Very valuable information, we are not doing a study. We are getting data to design, engineer, build and sustain abundant deer herds!"
Don Peay
The transplant now has taken on a beast that clearly is in line with why so many sportsmen are turning tail and running from sfw. Plus, the lies espoused by sfw and bgf leadership are becoming more transparent than their accounting of public money. They have now resorted to convincing people they are the only ones doing anything or "at least we are trying" which couldn't be further from the truth.
The audit clearly shows the issues and hopefully the temporary recommendations are adopted and in the future, any public money or public trust given to them will be accounted for so that there is no reason to question their intentions. That is the ultimate goal, accountability and honesty does nothing BUT benefit the groups, sportsmen, and wildlife.
"There is no reason why I have to tolerate your stupidity if you are unwilling to tolerate mine." ME