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>I'll Try & Make it Short:
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>Lmao!
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>2. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-08-17 AT 02:09
>PM (MST)
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>Wow.....Dr. Seuss the taxidermy man. Work
>must be pretty slow in
>Texas these days.
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>
>Hypothetically speaking of course.
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>3. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Wow even his son is unethical,
>hypothetically speaking of course.
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>4. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>The hunters from Louisiana?
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>5. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>seeing your from Texas.... just call
>a biologist/volunteer at a division
>office/ or anybody that answers
>the phone in another area
>or even a different state,hell
>just call the gas station
>next to the office and
>they will make it all
>legal for you, I guess
>you just shot a "bonus"
>cow. hell you might just
>get a medal for helping
>get the bull to cow
>ratio closer to objectives
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>6. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>It is apparently too late to
>teach ethics so maybe teach
>Son how to shoot before
>going on hunt?
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>7. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-08-17 AT 03:33
>PM (MST)
>
>This hypothetical hunt is obviously in
>reference to the poaching conviction
>of Bill Busbice. Why doesn't
>it surprise me that Trollstate
>is on his side on
>that one just like every
>other incident of poaching or
>law violations discussed on this
>site!!! What a douche!
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>10. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>LAST EDITED ON Jul-08-17
>>AT 03:33 PM (MST)
>>
>>This hypothetical hunt is obviously in
>>reference to the poaching conviction
>>of Bill Busbice. Why
>>doesn't it surprise me that
>>Trollstate is on his side
>>on that one just like
>>every other incident of poaching
>>or law violations discussed on
>>this site!!! What a
>>douche!
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>Thick as thieves.
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>8. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>WWTD. (What would tristate do)?
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>YALL
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>9. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Might as well tell him to
>shoot it. A guy with
>a backhoe can get rid
>of that cow pretty quick.
>Keep the ratio intact.
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>11. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Something tells me there's a debate
>coming.
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>12. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Couldn't let your post that got
>deleated on wildgame nation poachers
>die.Had to resurrect in a
>new thread.sigh.
>
>Tell your son to do what
>any ethical hunter would do.1
>cow down,Bull still walking.Stay shooting.If
>he drops 5 more cows
>shoot till that bull is
>down.
>
>Game and fish should understand the
>cows kept walking in the
>line of fire.If not will
>be hard to prove you
>guilty in court.
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>13. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Hide/Throw The Extras in the F'N
>Ditch & Hope Them Other
>2 Hunters just on the
>other Side of the Fence
>don't Turn Your Ass in!
>
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>15. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Let Me Just Say This:
>
>Jr would be in More trouble
>with Me than the Game
>Warden!
>
>He's Been Taught & Knows Better!
>
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>14. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>My favorite line from tristate's hypothetical
>masterpiece: "Oh no a cow
>elk's head explodes and she
>falls dead."
>
>In the waterfowl world, we call
>this flock shooting. Just keep
>shooting until you get the
>one you want.
>
>-Hawkeye-
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>16. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>No debate yet. Nobody has told
>the truth.
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>17. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>No debate yet. Nobody has
>>told the truth.
>
>Do you tell your son to
>shoot the bull?
>
>If You Know for Sure the
>Bull Has Been Hit!
>
>Then Yes!
>
>You Don't Leave any Animal To
>Suffer!
>
>Then You'd Best Get the DWR
>There Before Somebody Else Gets
>them there for you!
>
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
>
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>18. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>
>AKA:
>
>Somebody's Got Some SPLAININ to do!
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>19. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Elkassassin,
>
>You never know the bull is
>hit until you can put
>your hands on him.
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>20. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Elkassassin,
>>
>>You never know the bull is
>>hit until you can put
>>your hands on him.
>
>You/The Dad Seen Him Flinch &
>Limp away!
>
>He's F'N Hit!
>
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>21. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Elkassassin,
>
>No matter what the bull did,
>once you pull the trigger
>they are always hit.
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>23. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Elkassassin,
>>
>>No matter what the bull did,
>>once you pull the trigger
>>they are always hit.
>
>
>You are so full of crappola
>I'm surprised you haven't choked
>to death by now, LOL!
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>22. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>
>Hey TRI!
>
>Been a While Since You've Stirred
>it Up!
>
>WTH?
>
>OK!
>
>See If This Answer Satisfies You:
>
>
>Hold it Son!
>
>Don't Shoot!
>
>Don't Shoot again!
>
>The Bull Limps Off with Two
>Bullets in Him!
>
>But it's OK,Right?
>
>It's Just a Bull!
>
>You Walk Down to the Cow
>With No Head!
>
>Jr Gets His F'N Coveted LE
>Bull Tag Out that Took
>Him 20+ GAWD-DAMNED Years to
>Pull & Spent 50+K getting
>ready for this Hunt &
>BY GAWD on Closer Inspection
>there is a Notch with
>a M and there is
>also an F on the
>Tag/Permit So You've Got it
>covered,TAG the F'N Cow &
>Get off the Mountain!
>
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
>
>
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>24. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>So assassin, I am liking your
>honesty. You are saying you
>think the right thing to
>do is consciously make the
>decision to let a wounded
>animal suffer to death and
>waste him so no human
>can utilize the meat.
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>25. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>So assassin, I am liking your
>>honesty. You are saying
>>you think the right thing
>>to do is consciously make
>>the decision to let a
>>wounded animal suffer to death
>>and waste him so no
>>human can utilize the meat.
>>
>
>
>Not Sayin that at all!
>
>Read My Earlier Posts!
>
>When I Did Say it I
>Was Just Bein SMART!
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>26. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>
>Just Trying to Find An Answer
>Somebody Wants!
>
>That's All!
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
>
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>27. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Easy Elk, he is dragging you
>in.
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>28. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Deepcolor,
>
>I can respect Elk's posts. I
>could respect tour's to if
>you answered the question.
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>29. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Nope, I don't give a #####
>if you respect me or
>not.
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>30. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>
http://tri-statetaxidermy.com/about_tri-state-taxidermy.htm
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>Ben,You're kind of a pudge
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>31. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>The West ain't Texas.We cant just
>order up more animals.Get it
>thru your short azz thick
>skull.
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>32. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>This is obviously a far fetched
>fake news story, because aint
>no way Tristate could have
>a family or son that
>could put up with him.
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>33. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Tri your son should learn how
>to shoot! Just sayin. Maybe
>it's not his fault and
>you should teach him better.
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>34. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Tri..honest question...u ever get tired of
>playn the skin flute????
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>35. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>I'd go and look for blood
>where the bull was walking.
>I'm not sure if the
>LE tags are good for
>cows so I'm gonna make
>a phone call, after the
>cow is taken care of.
>If I find blood, what
>happens next is up to
>the CO.
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>36. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>
>Come On Tri!
>
>Do You Really Like F'N With
>Us?
>
>It's Not Everybody that Has to
>Put an LE Bull Tag
>on a F'N Cow!
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>37. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Wait a minute I figured out
>Tri's problem. He graduated from
>Texas A&M. He a damn
>Aggie. Be easy on him,
>it's not his fault.
>
>Being a Red Raider I have
>dealt with his kind. Lol
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>38. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>So assassin, I am liking your
>>honesty. You are saying
>>you think the right thing
>>to do is consciously make
>>the decision to let a
>>wounded animal suffer to death
>>and waste him so no
>>human can utilize the meat.
>>
>
>Tri, this happens every year, numerous
>times. I have yet to
>see or read, in this
>state, that if you shoot
>and miss a bull, and
>kill a cow, and SELF
>REPORT that you are hit
>for poaching. Your good buddy
>didn't call the CO and
>report himself. I'm assuming in
>your hypothetical that you and
>your boy brought a ranch
>hand with a backhoe with
>you? What meat was utilized
>by your buddy when he
>dug a hole in the
>ground and burried it? Now
>you be honest.
>
>
>"The only thing that stops a
>bad guy with a gun
>is a good guy with
>a gun"
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>39. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>I guess it's good to think
>about and talk about ahead
>of time. That way you
>can make sure something like
>that doesn't happen.
>
>Every time you pull the trigger,
>you're responsible for what happens.
>
>
>Or.....you could call someone who has
>a cow tag......
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>40. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>One Thing about it!
>
>The Boy Knows a Taxidermist!
>
>Can You Tell Us what a
>Cow Costs to Have Mounted
>when they Show up with
>an Exploded Head?
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>41. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Great posts Gasman and Eelgrass. It
>is interesting to see so
>many "hunters" are so scared
>of this they can't talk
>about it. I am starting
>to wonder how many posters
>right here are even hunters
>at all.
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>42. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Great posts Gasman and Eelgrass.
>>It is interesting to see
>>so many "hunters" are so
>>scared of this they can't
>>talk about it. I
>>am starting to wonder how
>>many posters right here are
>>even hunters at all.
>
>
>Another stupid post by the Troll!
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>43. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>I don't mind the discussion at
>all.
>
>The hypothetical hunt involved a young
>immature hunter. They don't always
>do the right thing in
>the heat of the moment.
>That's a fact of life.
>We'd all like to think
>our kids wouldn't do something
>stupid. It makes me sick
>to think about something like
>that happening though.
>
>"Do you tell your son to
>shoot the bull?"
>
>If I'm positive the bull was
>hit, you have to finish
>the deed and then face
>the music. So, yes.
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>44. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-09-17 AT 08:38
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>>I don't mind the discussion at
>>all.
>>
>>The hypothetical hunt involved a young
>>immature hunter. They don't always
>>do the right thing in
>>the heat of the moment.
>>That's a fact of life.
>>We'd all like to think
>>our kids wouldn't do something
>>stupid. It makes me sick
>>to think about something like
>>that happening though.
>>
>>"Do you tell your son to
>>shoot the bull?"
>>
>>If I'm positive the bull was
>>hit, you have to finish
>>the deed and then face
>>the music. So, yes.
>
>
>This "discussion" was strictly taken from
>the poaching violation involving Bill
>Busbice in Wyoming and the
>Troll posted it just like
>many of his other BS
>posts trying to defend a
>poacher and for no other
>reason than to troll the
>site! Think again if you
>think our resident Troll did
>it for any other reason!
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>45. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>This is the most interesting post
>in a while. I am
>trying to look at the
>hypothetical situation as a game
>warden would and should do.
>Experience tells me that as
>the inquiry goes on new
>facts would come out. The
>reason the shooter was standing
>on the roadside was that
>the herd was real close
>to private ground and were
>heading in that direction. The
>hunter had carefully oiled the
>pristine pre 64 model 70
>and had it setting on
>the tailgate on a towel
>as not to scratch the
>Gold inlaid Swaro optic. Laid
>there in a posed position
>for everyone to see.
>What is the difference in #####
>points needed between a resident
>and a non resident troll?
>It is my opinion that
>the Wyoming poacher mentioned should
>pay whatever fines as are
>legal and lose hunting privilages
>for 10 years. His decision
>was to do what was
>necessary to secure the bull
>and then cover up his
>actions. He had time to
>call in the warden and
>chose not too.
>J_T_B
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>46. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>"Do you tell your son to
>shoot the Bull?"
>
>Hell yes! That's not my answer,
>but I think most people,
>if they're honest with themselves
>would do it. That's just
>the way I feel hunting
>is to a lot of
>people. Whatever it takes to
>get the biggest animal down,
>whatever it takes. I think
>afterwards, when they see the
>body count, it's their responsibility
>to use their Dumb Card
>to explain it away. Maybe
>they can use the thinking
>that it will only be
>an over limit of elk
>fine that is only going
>to cost them a few
>hundred dollars. Like I said,
>whatever it takes. It was
>an accident, fuk it. Right?
>
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>47. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Shoot the bull, take care of
>the cow/bull, call the GW,
>plead your case, face the
>music?
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>48. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Wapitiwilly,
>
>That is a great post.
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>52. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Tri be honest. This scenario happened
>to you sitting in your
>elevated box blind hunting a
>corn feeder on a high
>fence ranch on one of
>your Aggie Alumni buddy's ranches
>he inherited. You were being
>big shots and had one
>too many Shiner Bocks and
>screwed up on a 25
>yard shot. That 338 you
>were shooting was s little
>to much gun and you
>killed 3 does and crippled
>the 16pt buck you were
>after.
>
>Your a tool, but your taxidermy
>work oooks good.
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>62. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Wapitiwilly,
>>
>>That is a great post.
>
>So Tri?
>
>Where Does My Post # 17
>Differ much from Wapitiwilly's Post?
>
>
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>49. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Shoot the bull, take care of
>>the cow/bull, call the GW,
>>plead your case, face the
>>music?
>
>
>If this is your choice as
>a father and hunter mentor,
>you just turned your son
>into a poacher. In all
>legality, when that cow hits
>the ground, the hunt is
>over. There no longer is
>a valid hunting license to
>shoot the bull, wounded or
>not.
>
>This scenario should be offered as
>a late season cow hunt
>where one cow is killed
>and another wounded. I wonder
>what answer Tri would be
>looking for in that case?
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>50. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>I say he turned his son
>into a man who realizes
>his responsibility to the wildlife
>is greater than being a
>subject cowering to the legal
>authority or the internet.
>
>Jm77,
>
>It's a horrible time we live
>in when fear disguised as
>self righteousness will keep you
>from actually doing the right
>thing and accept responsibility for
>those actions.
>
>Easy for you to look down
>your nose and call someone
>a poacher so you don't
>have to admit you could
>be right there making good
>and bad decisions with a
>clock that only has a
>second hand and your wits.
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>51. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-09-17 AT 11:33
>AM (MST)
>
>I'm with Jm77 on this. The
>hunt was over as soon
>as he killed the cow.
>whether on purpose or accident.
>Including whether the bull was
>hit or not. Critters get
>wounded more often than people
>know and are willing to
>admit. ALot of them still
>live too. Even the professionals,
>best hunters are not perfect
>and could wound an animal.
>It's part of hunting. Although
>ethical hunters try everything in
>their power to avoid it.
>
>Let the fish cops decide if
>the bull should be put
>down or not. But the
>hunter shot a cow. It's
>his critter, his tag goes
>on the cow, end of
>hunt. Tag your animal and
>call fish and game and
>hope you caught them on
>a good day.
>
>
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>So
>we must and we will."
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>53. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>I say he turned his son
>>into a man who realizes
>>his responsibility to the wildlife
>>is greater than being a
>>subject cowering to the legal
>>authority or the internet.
>>
>>Jm77,
>>
>>It's a horrible time we live
>>in when fear disguised as
>>self righteousness will keep you
>>from actually doing the right
>>thing and accept responsibility for
>>those actions.
>>
>>Easy for you to look down
>>your nose and call someone
>>a poacher so you don't
>>have to admit you could
>>be right there making good
>>and bad decisions with a
>>clock that only has a
>>second hand and your wits.
>>
>
>Take that rifle into your own
>hands Tri and finish what
>YOU started. Only a coward
>like you would tell his
>son to keep shooting. Only
>an inept hunter like you
>would have allowed his son
>to take that risky shot
>that killed the cow.
>
>I have been there with my
>12 year old daughter, a
>big 6pt bull 150yds away,
>broadside but with elk behind
>him. Would that 100gr 6mm
>bullet pass through that big
>chest and hit an elk
>beyond him? I really doubt
>it.
>
>It didn't matter anyway, because I
>wouldn't let her take that
>chance. There's the difference between
>you and me and doing
>the right thing. Stand up
>dude and be proud, you
>let your son become an
>unethical hunter.
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>54. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Jm77,
>
>You do realize absolutely NOTHING in
>your daughter story has anything
>to do with what we
>are talking about.
>
>
>Since you didn't have the balls
>to answer my original question,
>just enough balls to talk
>5hit to the man who
>did, I'll ask you a
>different one.
>
>Have you jm77 ever accidentally shot
>an animal?
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>55. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Jm77,
>>
>>You do realize absolutely NOTHING in
>>your daughter story has anything
>>to do with what we
>>are talking about.
>
>
>Wrong, it's about ethics, something that
>you haven't a clue about.
>Shooting at the bull, without
>a clear shot is unethical.
>
>
>>
>>Since you didn't have the balls
>>to answer my original question,
>
>I answered clearly enough that shooting
>that bull with a dead
>cow on the ground was
>poaching. Twist it however you
>want.
>
>>just enough balls to talk
>>5hit to the man who
>>did, I'll ask you a
>>different one.
>
>Didn't talk sh** on anyone but
>you.
>
>
>>Have you jm77 ever accidentally shot
>>an animal?
>
>No. Every single animal I have
>harvested died because I intentionally
>squeezed the trigger. That cow
>the son killed was no
>"accident".
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>56. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-09-17 AT 12:25
>PM (MST)
>
>Hey troll,
>You realize why you're called a
>troll right?
>
>Cuz you argue every time someone
>sees something different than you.
>You're not always right.
>Just because someone else sees it
>different than you, doesn't make
>them wrong.
>
>Here's a hypothetical for you.....
>
>How bout you and one of
>your kids try this same
>scenario out and come back
>and tell us how it
>turns out.
>
>With your sound ethics I'm sure
>you'd justify it anyway you
>could to be able to
>put that tag on the
>bull instead of the cow.
>
>
>To claim that "you never know
>the bull is hit until
>you can put your hands
>on it" is absolutely absurd!
>
>
>"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak.
>So
>we must and we will."
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>57. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Actually you told wapitiwilly he would
>make his son a poacher.
>Own up to the trash
>you talk. One more problem
>with your lacking man cred.
>
>
>As for never accidentally shooting an
>animal, I hope you take
>up hunting one day. It's
>way more fulfilling than trying
>to shame people on the
>internet.
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>58. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-09-17 AT 12:49
>PM (MST)
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>Tri said
>
>"Wapitiwilly,
>
>That is a great post."
>
>
>Yeah, I was talking to you
>Tri. But you know that.
>If Wapiti believes what he
>wrote, it pertains to him
>to. Satisfied?
>
>As far as me taking up
>hunting, I can't stop laughing
>long enough to answer that
>one.
>
>People always say "stop feeding the
>Troll" but it's sure enjoyable
>to see you all worked
>up. I guess it's your
>way with words when your
>going through that "little man"
>syndrome!
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>59. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>I'm the last guy to defend
>tri. I believe the ethical
>thing to do is finish
>the bull if you have
>wounded it. Letting an animal
>suffer when you can put
>it down is not the
>world I live in. Once
>you decide to keep shooting
>you are responsible for your
>actions regardless of the outcome.
>I would rather my son
>be a offender than let
>a animal he wounded walk
>away.
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>60. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>First, the scenario is set in
>Utah. So, before we all
>get our undies in a
>wad, what is the law
>in Utah, regarding the unintentional
>killing of a big game
>animal, during a hunt? Ethics
>are trumped by States Laws
>and Regulations. So.......for me, ethics
>have nothing to do it
>what so ever.
>
>Everybody knows, including Wildlife Administrators and
>Judges, laws trump ethics, even
>if the laws are poorly
>written and or poorly administered.
>Some times we, as people
>and specifically hunters, believe ethic
>must be adhered to regardless
>of what the law's state,
>but we are wrong, according
>to the law. Ethic are
>individual and group determined and
>no two individuals have identical
>ethics, no matter how united
>we believe we are in
>our opinion. The legal system,
>that will make the ultimate
>decision, as to the consequences
>of the event is who
>gets decide, not you or
>I. Many wildlife hunting and
>fishing infractions are left to
>the Officer on site, who
>determines how "he or she
>is going to enforce the
>law". Not every Officer would
>make the same decision, as
>to what do or not
>do in this case, so
>in many cases like this
>scenario or countless others that
>take place, in every State,
>every day, are made by
>a single law enforcement Officer,
>according to his or her
>understanding of the incident and
>the State's law.
>
>My opinion, and that is all
>it is, is this........ at
>the time the cow was
>killed by the young man,
>the bull was still alive
>and a legal animal to
>kill, for anyone that had
>an any bull tag. I
>don't know the legal status
>of the son or his
>elk tag, because Tri didn't
>tell us if it was
>an any bull tag or
>an any elk tag, and
>there is an obvious difference.
>
>
>If it's an any elk tag,
>the hunt is over, a
>legal elk is dead and
>the tag goes on the
>cow and the hunters go
>home with the cow. A
>wounded bull elk is left
>on the mountain, like dozens
>of other wounded big game
>animals are left every day
>of the hunting season. In
>as much as there are
>not any elk tags, that
>I've ever heard of in
>Utah, this is not possible,
>so let's consider what Utah's
>system would do.
>
>If it's an any bull, which
>I think it would have
>to be, because to my
>knowledge there are no any
>elk rifle tags in Utah.
>(Archers elk tags are different.)
>So the hunt must have
>an any elk tag. So,
>he can't legally tag a
>cow with it. So, in
>my opinion, he still has
>an any bull elk tag
>and he has a dead
>cow laying in the dirt.
>He needs stop hunting immediately
>and let the wounded or
>unwounded bull walk away, and
>begin attempting to contract a
>legal authority, at the same
>time, caring for the dead
>cow, so the meat does
>not spoil. I would not
>move the cow, accept to
>get her out of the
>hot sun until a legal
>authority advised me as to
>how to proceed. I would
>not attempt to leave the
>kill sight with an untagged
>elk nor would I allow
>it to spoil. (wanton waste
>is against the law too)
>If I have that cow
>in my pickup, untagged and
>run into an Warden on
>the way off the mountain,
>how does the Warden know
>I'm not just trying to
>sneak it home. Nope, I'm
>not moving it, without permission,
>
>
>Now, after a Warden has been
>contacted and I've been given
>his decision as what he/she
>want me to do, only
>then do I return to
>consider the bull. If the
>Warden decides my son needs
>to turn in his any
>bull tag, we are finished
>hunting.
>
>If the Warden, decides accidents happen,
>you did the right thing,
>and my son can continue
>hunting, when we do all
>we can to find and
>bring home the bull he
>shot at in the glade.
>
>
>Now and only now do I
>consider ethics, because there are
>many different ethics that come
>to play in this scenario.
>
>
>Is the bull even hit?
>
>Do I allow my son to
>keep hunting, if we can't
>find the bull, dead or
>alive? (He's killed a cow,
>but the Warden said he
>can still hunt.)
>
>That's my only ethical decision? If
>you feel responsible for your
>son killed the cow, do
>you punish him for your
>mistake, or do you tell
>him, "too bad, you pulled
>the trigger, so you suffer
>the consequences regardless if was
>my duty to make sure
>you behaved correctly or not"?
>We have no idea if
>this is a 12 year
>old son or a 30
>year old son, however, it
>seems in this scenario the
>son may be an older
>son.
>
>What if another, unassociated hunter, killed
>the bull, ten minutes after
>your son killed the cow?
>Does that change any thing
>so far as allowing your
>son to continue hunting........... ethically.
>
>
>What if you can't find a
>drop of bull and see
>the bull breeding a cow?
>Again, it becomes an ethical
>decision.
>
>It certainly seems the son did
>not intentionally kill the cow,
>so for his part, it
>was an intentional hunting accident.
>Are your ethics different, if
>you suffer an accident, even
>if you may not have
>been as careful as you
>should have been. If an
>unseen cow darted out just
>as you pulled the trigger,
>what then?
>
>If a sixteen year old girl,
>with a new drivers license
>is "cautiously" driving a car
>past a park, with a
>large number of children running
>in all directions, in the
>park, and a small child
>dashes out, from been two
>parked cars, in her blind
>spot, and she hits the
>child, did she commit manslaughter?
>As a parent, riding in
>the seat next to her,
>are you guilt of neglect?
>
>
>Some times terrible things happen, even
>when we are doing all
>we can to avoid doing
>anything wrong. If you haven't
>had something like Tri's scenario
>happen to you, while you
>are hunting, either you haven't
>hunted very often, or you've
>been darn lucky.
>
>For me, it's how you react,
>after an accident happens, that
>determines what kind of a
>person you are.
>
>DC
>
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