More Styler Fallout

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Way to go HAWK and thanks to your Partners for standing behind you!!

http://www.sltrib.com/news/4054427-155/rolly-lawyers-criticism-of-herbert-leads


"Styler wrote back and apologized.

"I never intended to chill anyone's First Amendment rights," Styler told Draney. "I simply asked if your associate was speaking for himself or for the firm. I should have not even asked that question."

He added that he was disappointed his email was subsequently posted on several internet forums. "I guess I had expected some confidentiality. I regret this whole incident and I am sorry."

Styler told me the email was sent in frustration over criticisms of the DWR, and he sent it without thinking it through."

Or your strong-arm attempt was exposed.





"If the DWR was just doing its job, and
wildlife and hunting were the actual focus,
none of this process would even matter.
But that is not the focus or the goal in any
of this. The current DWR regime, and
SFW were born out of wildlife declines,
and are currently operated and funded
under that paradigm. Those 200 Expo
tags would not even be worth anything if
the focus was where it was supposed to
be, and wildlife and tags were plentiful.
But under the current business model,
that is how the money and power is
generated. It is generated through the
rising "value"(monitization) of a declining
resource. A resource that is supposed to
be being beneficially managed for the
masses that own that resource, ie. US.
The problem is obvious, hedging is not a
long term sustainable strategy, and
others have to lose, for some to win. In
this case it is us, the many, and our
resources, that are being forced to lose,
because there is a minority who's power
and money is derived from our loses."

LONETREE 3/15/16
 
You pull an unethical,l slime-ball stunt like that as a public servant and expect it to stay private. Utah politics are as bad as Chicago's.
 
ALL that has been reveled about the Governor and his Staff, makes news to those of us Retiring (Thousands upon Thousands) in California (with our Money $$$) to NOT MOVE to Utah, but rather, Idaho or another State.

Retirees bail out of California every day once Retired just to avoid such Politics.
 
Hopefully enough crap is getting piled up that somebody with the ability will force action to be taken.
Keep up the pressure Hawk.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-28-16 AT 08:56PM (MST)[p]I was waiting to see if Zeke,Tristate,2lumpy,Birdman,Muley73
Would respond......
So what do you boys have to say?
Styler obviously has inserted his foot into his mouth probably by the orders from Mr Herbert.
Zeke, you commented in Hawkeyes thread about dirt being kicked up....guess Styler got alittle too dirty.
Hey Birdman,2lumpy,Muley73.....
What do you koolaid drinkers think of this SLC article and Mr Stylers comments/apology?
As Muley73 posted in Hawkeyes thread
"It's not fun when Interweb bubble world spills over into reality world"

this is some funny Sh!t!


Btw....
Shawn Draney has my complete respect and his reply to Mr Styler was absolutely
Beautiful!

Mr Styler.....take note. Draney is man enough!
Your apology does little to retract what many in the public now think of you.
If your gunna apologize for your actions, at least be honest about your intentions.
It's what a real man would do.



"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
I'm gonna have to go reread my post I don't ever recall saying I agreed or disagreed either way. You all love to assume. Still entertaining.
 
This continues to anger me as a citizen of Utah. So Styler wasn't trying to chill anyone's 1st Amendment rights, he just wanted to figure out if the attorney was speaking on behalf of the firm. Okay, say the attorney was actually representing the firm's position--then what. What the heck would Styler have done with the information then? Full. Of. Crap! And again, such a slap in the face to freedom.

He is correct in that he never should have sent that email. Good that since he was exposed he can admit his mistake. It would be even better if he never considered sending the blasted thing in the first place. Like it or not, you have to operate on a higher standard when you hold these positions of trust. At least it should be that way. I'm losing faith that it can be that way, unfortunately.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-28-16 AT 10:55PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jun-28-16 AT 10:53?PM (MST)

You're about as wishy-washy as they come Muley73.
Kinda like many politicians...they tend to take one side of an issue but then later either retract from an earlier statement and switch sides altogether OR they retract to simply sit on the fence line where it's safe from criticism like they're worried they might lose some votes by where they stand.
It's one of easiest ways to discredit someone's views and is one of many reasons why the majority of the general public don't like politicians. Always trying to be on everyone's good side by being politically correct.





"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
No Billy I stand pretty strong on my views I just didn't say one way or the other on this one. I simply commented on the actions and reactions. Overall I believe both parties let Interweb shanigans spill into reality and neither was very happy with the outcome. None of it helps Sportsman or wildlife.
 
Jagersdad wrote:
"ALL that has been reveled about the Governor and his Staff, makes news to those of us Retiring (Thousands upon Thousands) in California (with our Money $$$) to NOT MOVE to Utah, but rather, Idaho or another State."

Hate to be rude and you probably are a great person, but you are not hurting my feelings. As one person from Cali said when asked why he was moving to Utah(the Greatest state in the Union), his response was, "We've ruined California now we are moving in to ruin Utah."

SLOW THE GROW!!

This UN-bankrupted state has it problems, but nothing compares to Cali problems. I don't want Utah to get federal lands, but I'm still a backer of our Governor. He has done a tremendously good job.

We learn from our mistakes and I am glad Hawkeye brought this to the MM Realm. This coming to light, straightens out a person real fast. Regardless of what you think of Stiles or why he did it, he still made an apology.
 
Go back and read fellas. I only said Styler's email wasn't a "threat" and he didn't do anything illegal and Hawkeye was doing one and the same.

I like how on this thread people are talking about whether this was an attempt to silence the first amendment but on another current thread there are people screaming for me to be kicked off the forums because I disagreed with a political cartoon. I guess it's different when it's what you care about?????
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-29-16 AT 12:36PM (MST)[p]OMG yet another SFW/UTDWR cronnie scandal to add to my MM signature! Hahaha what an ass Styler is. Climbed right into the front seat of the Utah clown car. Hahaha.

"I guess I had expected some confidentiality"........Ya gotta be crappin me. Apparently Styler thinks everyone in the SFW/UTDWR bed is immune from transparency. I guess after a decade of it I can understand?

*****************************************************
Greenhorns educate yourselves. Wherever SFW goes, scandals and corruption follow. Write your legislators:

http://kutv.com/news/local/allegations-of-corruption-surround-utah-hungtin-and-conservation-expo

https://www.cascwild.org/don-peay-the-man-who-would-be-king-baron/

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs...ares-north-american-hunting-model-“socialism”

http://www.standard.net/Recreation/...16-Western-Hunting-and-Conservation-Expo.html

http://www.mtbullypulpit.org/2012/06/pox-on-fox.html

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2013...on-essentially-buy-utah-division-of-wildlife/

http://westernvaluesproject.org/tax...hunting-energy-industry-over-hunters-anglers/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/u...-but-hunters-cry-foul.html?smid=pl-share&_r=2

http://www.themudflats.net/archives/25891

http://www.sltrib.com/news/4054427-155/rolly-lawyers-criticism-of-herbert-leads
 
Muley73....we all know you're very straightforward with your strong views."You're only about what's best for wildlife".
Tristate.....your one of only maybe a few people out of MANY who would still believe that it wasn't a threat nor illegal.
By all means continue to post on these threads to your hearts content. Nobody is screaming for you to be kicked off. However I wouldn't blame those who continue to casually scroll past your ignorant and delusional posts.

Before I made my first post to this thread, I asked myself what kind of response would I expect from you and others who I waited to hear from. So far....your responses are pretty spot on with the conclusion I had came up with.

Carry on




"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
The view through my paradigm:

Yep, you're correct, there's plenty of dirt getting kicked around so everyone can take a turn at getting soiled.
Styler should never have made his "inquiry" into anyone's political affiliation! I suspect he let his emotions and frustration get the best of him and because of that he committed a faux pas. He disclosed that he knew it was bad as soon as he sent it, but that's beside the point. I suspect the weight of the open and incessant accusations got the best of him. He did the wrong thing and I'm sure he'll be much more careful in the future.
He's made an open and public apology but it will not be enough for some. So, now that some of you have "won" this internet skirmish, now what?


Word to the MM wise (of which your numbers are few):

Take great care while you wield the sword of self-righteous in your crusade to decapitate any and all who harbor a divergent opinion. You might glance down and realize that you've accidentally eviscerated some of your own moral fiber in your zeal to "cleanse" the world. These antics may also simply serve to repulse and harden the opposition.


A word to the unwise (your numbers are many):

That warm feeling some of you wankers are feeling isn't love. It's simply that you're stuck in the middle of the circle without enough capacity to effect positive change so you resort to petty attacks, name-calling, pigeon-holing and the likes.
On a personal level, your attacks on my character only serve to illuminate that very few of you know me and even fewer care. The cantankerous slash and burn mentality is alive and well on the WWW and there's enough around that none are spotless.


End thoughts:

Did wildlife win or has this all morphed into who's the next person we can zing, degrade and belittle on MM to make our political point?

Some will be pleased to hear that I'm going to try my hardest to stay out of the politically polarizing forums and allow you guys to pat each other on the back and count this as a misguided victory for wildlife.

Fare thee well my fair-weather faux-friends, fare thee well.
Zeke
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-29-16 AT 11:50AM (MST)[p]You should have stopped after the first paragraph Zeke because you have now just committed exactly what you are castigating/denigrating people for! Do you really think that apology was sincere or rather what everyone thinks in that it was actually forced on him because it got out on the net for everyone to read?!
 
Has any apology ever corrected a behavior Zeke??

To give Styler credit he did man up and own his mistake.

If he is interested in silencing those that are critical of the entity he is ultimately responsible for, perhaps he should get to the root of the issue. Quit apologizing, quit releasing Expo FAQ's and quit being a wholly owned subsidiary of all special interest groups with an added emphasis towards one.

As long as the Herby / Styler incessant catering to SFW and the other sycophants, none of these sumbitches is going to get one minute of peace.




"If the DWR was just doing its job, and
wildlife and hunting were the actual focus,
none of this process would even matter.
But that is not the focus or the goal in any
of this. The current DWR regime, and
SFW were born out of wildlife declines,
and are currently operated and funded
under that paradigm. Those 200 Expo
tags would not even be worth anything if
the focus was where it was supposed to
be, and wildlife and tags were plentiful.
But under the current business model,
that is how the money and power is
generated. It is generated through the
rising "value"(monitization) of a declining
resource. A resource that is supposed to
be being beneficially managed for the
masses that own that resource, ie. US.
The problem is obvious, hedging is not a
long term sustainable strategy, and
others have to lose, for some to win. In
this case it is us, the many, and our
resources, that are being forced to lose,
because there is a minority who's power
and money is derived from our loses."

LONETREE 3/15/16
 
Come on Zeke don't take your ball and run home, your team needs you.

Sorry Zeke but not all of us were raised in the culture of Do what you're told, keep your mouth shut and don't ask questions like you and Lumpy and his boy. When some dirt bag like Styler from the good ol Mormon boys club tries to use he political clout to silence his critics of his obvious corrupt department, we're going to call him on it.
 
Jim,
That literally made me laugh out loud. The interweb always leads to such astute conclusions. On my goodness!!!
 
"Sorry Zeke but not all of us were raised in the culture of Do what you're told, keep your mouth shut and don't ask questions like you and Lumpy and his boy. When some dirt bag like Styler from the good ol Mormon boys club tries to use he political clout to silence his critics of his obvious corrupt department, we're going to call him on it."

So this is a Mormon Church issue again, huh? Never ceases to amaze me...
 
>"Sorry Zeke but not all of
>us were raised in the
>culture of Do what you're
>told, keep your mouth shut
>and don't ask questions like
>you and Lumpy and his
>boy. When some dirt bag
>like Styler from the good
>ol Mormon boys club tries
>to use he political clout
>to silence his critics of
>his obvious corrupt department, we're
>going to call him on
>it."
>
>So this is a Mormon Church
>issue again, huh? Never ceases
>to amaze me...


That type of Mormon comment certainly doesn't help any of us that are trying to correct improper government and political misdoings and it's too bad that was posted!
 
>That type of Mormon comment certainly
>doesn't help any of us
>that are trying to correct
>improper government and political misdoings
>and it's too bad that
>was posted!


Come on, we're talking Utardia here. Where politics, government and the mormon church are all one in the same.

Why do you think this crap only happens in Utah? Why do the citizens of Utah let such slimball cronyism politics happen on a regular basis?
 
cannonball et al

I do not take offense your comments in post #12 above. My meaning is that folks do move out of California just to escape looney's, taxes and more. When a Governor & Top Staff appear as depicted, it makes all of Utah look bad, even for businesses thinking of relocating.

If I were to move to Utah, I understand I would need to "Earn" the trust and friendship of locals. They wouldn't need to accept me, I would need to accept the privilege of being there.

I am still new to MM'eys and known zero about the core topics. I do know if I were to move to Utah, I would be close to men like 2lumpy. I respect him and even though I am not a Mormon, I wish I were. I HIGHLY Respect that Church and every member I ever met.

Jagerdad :)
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-29-16 AT 07:27PM (MST)[p]One eye,
What rules are you referring too? Where did your rant go Houdini?
 
Religion has nothing to do with these issues. I am a member of the predominant faith in this state and so are many of the sportsmen that are asking for increased accountability and transparency. I don't care what church you attend on Sunday, if any, so long as we can work together to address these problems. There is no reason to bring religion into the discussion.

-Hawkeye-
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-30-16 AT 09:39AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jun-30-16 AT 09:38?AM (MST)

So--- what does your brand of religion have to do with how you view this issue? Don't tell me you don't have a religion-- everyone has a "religion". Whether you go to church or not has nothing to do with whether you're religious. Religion is only a set of beliefs and values that you can accept as your own or you make your own up -- Don't you have a set of values and beliefs that you go by? Doesn't that set of beliefs guide how you think and act in regards to this issue? I for one would appreciate that "religion" is not dragged into these discussion's because everyone has their own "religion".
 
As the world turns, The soap opera with Styler.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
>[Font][Font color = "green"]Life member of
>the MM green signature club.[font/]
 
All this redneck knows is that this sh!t is getting extremely old and poor founder is losing members. Question...as a non Mormon would there be any chance in hell that I could possibly run for a city council position and win in any city in Utah?
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-30-16 AT 08:26PM (MST)[p]Getting extremely old and poor yet you're posting. Well sunshine how many members is founder losing? Speculation at best... People come to this website to speak about issues. Good or bad it's the future, and present, of communicating with others.

I'm sure Mr. Styler wasn't thinking his email would lead to this, or he wouldn't of sent it. I wonder what that crow tastes like.
 
>Getting extremely old and poor yet
>you're posting. Well sunshine how
>many members is founder losing?
>Speculation at best... People come
>to this website to speak
>about issues. Good or bad
>it's the future, and present,
>of communicating with others.
>
>I'm sure Mr. Styler wasn't thinking
>his email would lead to
>this, or he wouldn't of
>sent it. I wonder what
>that crow tastes like.


+1 buddy!
 
"Question...as a non Mormon would there be any chance in hell that I could possibly run for a city council position and win in any city in Utah?"

I have voted for almost 20 years. I have literally never inquired or tried to find out a single political candidate's religious affiliation. Not a single time. I guess when you're not a discriminatory, bigoted idiot, those kind of things don't matter.

I have no clue what the religious affiliations of any member of my current city council. Why would I care about that? Well, unless I was a discriminatory, bigoted idiot. Then I might care what church a politician belonged to.
 
>All this redneck knows is that
>this sh!t is getting extremely
>old and poor founder is
>losing members. Question...as a non
>Mormon would there be any
>chance in hell that I
>could possibly run for a
>city council position and win
>in any city in Utah?
>

YBO,

You're right with the first sentence, but why the heck did you back it up with that ridiculous second sentence.
 
>All this redneck knows is that
>this sh!t is getting extremely
>old and poor founder is
>losing members. Question...as a non
>Mormon would there be any
>chance in hell that I
>could possibly run for a
>city council position and win
>in any city in Utah?
>


Can u say bigot! Geez. Who cares if they are Mormon or not.
 
I can't imagine the site is doing anything but attracting more members as a result of all this. Heck, it's probably the "go to" place for information on all this mess right now.
 
>All this redneck knows is that
>this sh!t is getting extremely
>old and poor founder is
>losing members. Question...as a non
>Mormon would there be any
>chance in hell that I
>could possibly run for a
>city council position and win
>in any city in Utah?
>

Sure there is. My town of 2000+ has a Non-LDS Mayor and I would say the vast majority of the people are LDS.
Most of the comments on this site where religion is brought up are nothing short of ignorant.
 
>I can't imagine the site is
>doing anything but attracting more
>members as a result of
>all this. Heck, it's probably
>the "go to" place for
>information on all this mess
>right now.

Doesn't even have to attract members - just lurkers for those banner ads, to be a positive for the site.
 
>>All this redneck knows is that
>>this sh!t is getting extremely
>>old and poor founder is
>>losing members. Question...as a non
>>Mormon would there be any
>>chance in hell that I
>>could possibly run for a
>>city council position and win
>>in any city in Utah?
>>
>
>Sure there is. My town of
> 2000+ has a Non-LDS
>Mayor and I would say
>the vast majority of the
>people are LDS.
>Most of the comments on this
>site where religion is brought
>up are nothing short of
>ignorant.


Where do you live elkantler? 2000 people? Thats where I want to live. I have 2000 people on the 2 block area I live in for my church ward. :)
 
Maybe he should of stopped after just saying sorry I F#cked up.
Instead he keep it going with this part about expecting them to not share his mistake............

"He added that he was disappointed his email was subsequently posted on several internet forums. "I guess I had expected some confidentiality. I regret this whole incident and I am sorry."

Religion really doesn't have a thing to do with it. IMO


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
>[Font][Font color = "green"]Life member of
>the MM green signature club.[font/]
 
Ridicules how threads can get so far off track..

Way to go Hawkeye and the rest off the folks you work with.

Somewhere on another thread you said something like you thought you had hit a deadend, nothing could be farther from the truth.
Things might be moving kinda slow in Utah, but it's still moving and I'm sure its picking up momentum.
as for other states,, your time and efforts along with other folks time and efforts have had a very positive effect with helping us put a stop to the crap you folks in Utah have to deal with.

I used to sit back and let others deal with it all, but not anymore! I've jumped in head first and have pulled several friends along with me.
A huge thank you to you and all the others out there that have inspired so many of us to get involved.
 
>All this redneck knows is that
>this sh!t is getting extremely
>old and poor founder is
>losing members. Question...as a non
>Mormon would there be any
>chance in hell that I
>could possibly run for a
>city council position and win
>in any city in Utah?
>


Answer to your question is No. And after your done licking your wounds from losing your election try to get a job with the Dept. Of Alcohol Beverage control.
 
Hey YBO!

You gotta Drive a LEZBARU to be Mayor here in TARDville!

KALI Ain't the only Place this Sshhiitt Happens anymore!

Sad but True!










[font color="blue"]HUNTIN,FISHIN,AND LOVIN EVERY DAY,I WANNA SEE
THEM TALL PINES SWAY!
[/font]
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-06-16 AT 10:00AM (MST)[p]This really isn't anything new. Just another facet of the culture that has existed even before Styler. I could tell you stories that would make even the most ballsy of you critics second guess being public and challenging the DNR, or it's child, DWR.

2001 I and others attempted to work with the DWR on regs. They didn't even give us the time of day. So we took the matter to the legislature. Well, that pissed people off to no end. Hundreds of thousands of dollars, two years of undercover work, and 4 years of prosecution then followed as the DWR took retaliation on me and the group. I have literally thousands of pages of documents, hours and hours of recorded depositions, all evidencing the DWR fabricated a story in order to 'put us in our place' through the strong arm of their law enforcement, backed by the AG who wouldn't do what is right and let the DWR take the rap for their behavior.

The matter went to the UT Supreme court. Stupid eff'n lawyer backed out at the last moment, leaving it up to his understudy. The justices lobbed soft pitches to my sub attorney, but he was totally unprepared to answer the most basic questions. It was a sad day for everyone in UT. To this day, I wonder if the DWR (and Styler was in charge at that point), made it known to my attorney it wasn't in his best interest to continue the case.

The same crap was done to falconers previously when they challenged the arbitrary and capricious closing of Peregrine trapping when they were delisted. I've talked to the guys that were involved in that, and the severe repercussions that followed their insubordinate challenge to the DWR.

Nothing new here. Same ol mode of operation to opposition. Hawkeye, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if undercover sting efforts were underway already. I suggest you don't even wipe your butt the wrong way over the next several years. Seriously, they will take the smallest hint of probable cause and destroy your life as best they can. It's in the culture there. I'm serious. Don't even put your gun in your truck without unloading it first, or they'll use that foot in the door to confiscate your computer, personal photos, mounts, EVERYTHING any any way remotely connected with hunting, and do their best to rape you along the way. You probably will be solicited to participate in illegal activities this fall. It's a sting.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-06-16
>AT 10:00?AM (MST)
>
>This really isn't anything new. Just
>another facet of the culture
>that has existed even before
>Styler. I could tell you
>stories that would make even
>the most ballsy of you
>critics second guess being public
>and challenging the DNR, or
>it's child, DWR.
>
>2001 I and others attempted to
>work with the DWR on
>regs. They didn't even give
>us the time of day.
> So we took the
>matter to the legislature. Well,
>that pissed people off to
>no end. Hundreds of
>thousands of dollars, two years
>of undercover work, and 4
>years of prosecution then followed
>as the DWR took retaliation
>on me and the group.
>I have literally thousands of
>pages of documents, hours and
>hours of recorded depositions, all
>evidencing the DWR fabricated a
>story in order to 'put
>us in our place' through
>the strong arm of their
>law enforcement, backed by the
>AG who wouldn't do what
>is right and let the
>DWR take the rap for
>their behavior.
>
>The matter went to the UT
>Supreme court. Stupid eff'n
>lawyer backed out at the
>last moment, leaving it up
>to his understudy. The
>justices lobbed soft pitches to
>my sub attorney, but he
>was totally unprepared to answer
>the most basic questions.
>It was a sad day
>for everyone in UT. To
>this day, I wonder if
>the DWR (and Styler was
>in charge at that point),
>made it known to my
>attorney it wasn't in his
>best interest to continue the
>case.
>
>The same crap was done to
>falconers previously when they challenged
>the arbitrary and capricious closing
>of Peregrine trapping when they
>were delisted. I've talked to
>the guys that were involved
>in that, and the severe
>repercussions that followed their insubordinate
>challenge to the DWR.
>
>Nothing new here. Same ol mode
>of operation to opposition.
>Hawkeye, I wouldn't be the
>least bit surprised if undercover
>sting efforts were underway already.
> I suggest you don't
>even wipe your butt the
>wrong way over the next
>several years. Seriously, they
>will take the smallest hint
>of probable cause and destroy
>your life as best they
>can. It's in the
>culture there. I'm serious.
>Don't even put your gun
>in your truck without unloading
>it first, or they'll use
>that foot in the door
>to confiscate your computer, personal
>photos, mounts, EVERYTHING any any
>way remotely connected with hunting,
>and do their best to
>rape you along the way.
>You probably will be solicited
>to participate in illegal activities
>this fall. It's a
>sting.

Disappointing, but not too surprising. Styler's response is even more troubling than his email if you have the reading comprehension Tristate is constantly ragging on.

1) "I never intended to chill anyone's First Amendment rights."
That's the ONLY possible reason the email was written the way it was and sent in the first place. Whether Jason was to be silenced by his partners or was embarrassed or frightened enough to stop on his own or was fired, the intended outcome was to stop him from continuing voicing his opposition.

2) "I simply asked if your associate was speaking for himself or the firm. I should have not even asked that question."
SIMPLY? As if the question was no big deal? THAT QUESTION? So, another question would have been better (less intrusive or obvious maybe?).

3) "I guess I had expected some confidentiality".
Basically, he meant he hadn't been outed before and this one surprised him. And, of course, Jason's to blame for making him look bad.

4) "My rule of thumb is that when I write an email out of frustration, I wait until the next day before I send it".
MY RULE OF THUMB? So he's written emails out of frustration often enough to establish a rule of thumb?

5) "By then I usually look at the email again and delete it without sending it. I didn't do that this time and I should have."
USUALLY? I DIDN'T DO IT THIS TIME? So this isn't the first time, nor the second?

It appears that Mr. Styler is in the habit of dealing with some issues with threatening emails in an effort to keep the recipient quiet. How long this has been going on is troubling, but not as troubling as how long it is likely to continue. In his apology there was no commitment to stop. We don't see, "It won't happen again".

Also does this policy extend to the other divisions in the DNR? Hmmm!
 
Somebody that is familiar with the process should file a FOIA request on Styler's email with anything pertaining to Jason Hawkins or MonsterMuleys.

Let's see if this was Styler's personal inquiry or that of his bosses.

There's two sides to that road, but only one of them is a government official and therefore subject to FOIA.

Grizzly
 
Huh.. 1st amendment rights? Styler didn't ask Jasons bosses to shut him up, he asked about his JOB. Styler email Hawkeyes firm and demand he shut up, he asked if he was representing the firm. In short, Styler went WAY past "shut him up" and was backdoor reminding the firm that perhaps its clients contracts were at risk.

I believe that Styler needs to remove himself from any contracts with Hawkeyes clients. Sorry boys, but this is more than a "gee wilikers sorry Beaver". I want his supervisor(Herby) or the law office to tell us what his punishment is. In this case a "sorry" isn't enough when you threaten a man, his bosses, and possibly do harm to taxpayers by carrying out a personal vendetta.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
+1 elkfromabove!
I thought the same thing.
The more he responded in his "apology email/letter...the more I thought.
"Ok he needs to just stop. He was making it all worse the more responded.
Maybe his next rule of thumb should be to take a day to reread his response before sending it after being exposed.
Lol
The more I read of his response, the worse he looked.




"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
Holy Cow so I'm a bigot. LMAO FYI two of my best friends who happen to be Mormon, commented to me that after I won a local election that if I were run for that particular posistion in UT that I'd have to be a member of LDS church to win. Damn you boys are some thin skinned Hillary Supporters. God Bless you.
 

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