Okay, you were guided by the guys from Red River, Vance I think. The week that you were there we had 2 youth hunters, both younger girls in our camp along with 4 other guys. The last girl killed the last day of the hunt, probably a 300-310 bull. For two weeks following we went 6 for 6 and 4 for 4. On of them was right around 350"! As for the Gila, this is where to go to kill a big bull. I've guided unit 15, which is right across the road and both my hunters killed bulls between 330" and 340". It is a very different terrian from the Valle Vidal, very dry. There is not much that separates the units we are hunting on, a creek I think.