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Deer tags are gone or ELk??
What's the difference in how they do it now versus a draw? There is a max number no matter what. My guess will be that there will be A bunch a whiny Idaho residents because they can't get their second tag. They hate out of state hunters, but love to scoop up the extra tags.Getting in before the modest price increase next year? How many who huff and puff about the unfairness of the long over due increases will not buy next year, as they spouted off when the increases were announced?? My guess is not many. Time for Idaho to go to draw only for NR, as every single one of our bordering states have done.
They also dont mind scooping up non resident tags in thier surrounding states,, but yet they all ***** about the non residents.What's the difference in how they do it now versus a draw? There is a max number no matter what. My guess will be that there will be A bunch a whiny Idaho residents because they can't get their second tag. They hate out of state hunters, but love to scoop up the extra tags.
Big difference. One can only get a tag in Wyoming as a NR every 3 years. Montana isn’t a guarantee either. Forget about Utah or Nevada. Go to draw only for general NR, charge an application fee that will allow a drop in the total number of tags. It has to be done. When there are areas where the % of NR hunters is greater than the % of residents, that needs to change.I don’t hate NR hunters, I hate the absolute fact that when we have had extreme pressure where we hunt archery elk it is ALWAYS NR.What's the difference in how they do it now versus a draw? There is a max number no matter what. My guess will be that there will be A bunch a whiny Idaho residents because they can't get their second tag. They hate out of state hunters, but love to scoop up the extra tags.
Draw or not, it won't change anything. There will be X amount of non residents every year.Big difference. One can only get a tag in Wyoming as a NR every 3 years. Montana isn’t a guarantee either. Forget about Utah or Nevada. Go to draw only for general NR, charge an application fee that will allow a drop in the total number of tags. It has to be done. When there are areas where the % of NR hunters is greater than the % of residents, that needs to change.I don’t hate NR hunters, I hate the absolute fact that when we have had extreme pressure where we hunt archery elk it is ALWAYS NR.
I think that’s where you are wrong. 30,000 new resident hunters in the last two years. We cannot support tags at the current level for NR and residents. Management will change to application for NR with capped zone tags for all zones with reduced tag numbers. Current trends will dictate this. I may be wrong, but I am not.Draw or not, it won't change anything. There will be X amount of non residents every year.
you just said resident? You apparently aren't understanding. Yes you are wrong. It changes next year, and yes there are going to be more NR hunters next year because residents were not able to buy any of the tags. Sorry, but I'm not. The change next year will still have "X" amout of tags whether it's draw or first come first serve basis. It will make it to where no resident will be holding one of "our" tags in his pocket on the future. I may be wrong, but I'm not..I think that’s where you are wrong. 30,000 new resident hunters in the last two years. We cannot support tags at the current level for NR and residents. Management will change to application for NR with capped zone tags for all zones with reduced tag numbers. Current trends will dictate this. I may be wrong, but I am not.
Draw or not, it won't change anything. There will be X amount of non residents every year.
I'm not wishing for A draw at all, I'm just pointing out that there will always be a certain amount of non residents. But IDbulls has a hard time grasping that concept.People should be careful what the wish for!
Fact, In Idaho Non residents can get the best archery elk tags in the state with out drawing, every year. In all but a very few units that are draw for both Res & Nonres!
Fact Non Residents can archery hunt antelope every year.
Fact Non Residents total 35 to 60 percent of the hunters in the best hunts, that will change to 10% with a draw!
What other state offers nonresidents the opportunities otc that Idaho does for quality animals?
I hate to think about all the opportunities for hunting that have been lost to, more demand from nonresidents, states population growth, better equipment, easier access with 4 wheelers and such since I started hunting!
I have nothing against nonresident hunters, fact is I love hunting out of my home state. The reality is that tags will be restricted more every year in all western states. Sorry to say there's not enough animals to keep up with the demand!
you just said resident? You apparently aren't understanding. Yes you are wrong. It changes next year, and yes there are going to be more NR hunters next year because residents were not able to buy any of the tags. Sorry, but I'm not. The change next year will still have "X" amout of tags whether it's draw or first come first serve basis. It will make it to where no resident will be holding one of "our" tags in his pocket on the future. I may be wrong, but I'm not..
I'm not wishing for A draw at all, I'm just pointing out that there will always be a certain amount of non residents. But IDbulls has a hard time grasping that concept.
What did I say that differed from Idogguy or customweld said? NR have had a pretty sweet run on the best archery units in the state OTC yet current state growth won’t support that very much longer. We aren’t like Montana where half the elk are on private so it doesn’t matter how many tags are issued. There is a limit to the pressure Idaho herds can take.I'm not wishing for A draw at all, I'm just pointing out that there will always be a certain amount of non residents. But IDbulls has a hard time grasping that concept.
I know it is, I've talked to them quite a bit. It goes back to my first post. That's the one I was trying to get across. Yes they are getting cut, but explain to me the difference between draw and capped? Besides nothing except how they are distributed. It affects residents no different either way. Just us and how we go about getting tags. The same amount of NR hunters are going to be hunting Idaho whichever way they hand them out. Right IDbull??Westernhunter, IDFG is proposing cutting NR’s tags and raising their price to offset that cut in NR tags. Last year, there was approximately 1000 NR deer tags sold to residents. There were around 500 NR elk tags sold to residents. This year, it appears there won’t be any.There is most definitely going to be more NR’s this year compared to any other. As Idbulls said times have been good but they are going to take a drastic change next year.
You’re right, there isn’t a difference between capped or draw.The same amount will probably be sold. Depending on how IFG decides to bust up the unit percentages. If all units go with a uniform percentage, some may not sell out. Others will sell out in minutes. If it were up to me, I’d say 100 percent draw. Soak em’ for every dime we can get.I know it is, I've talked to them quite a bit. It goes back to my first post. That's the one I was trying to get across. Yes they are getting cut, but explain to me the difference between draw and capped? Besides nothing except how they are distributed. It affects residents no different either way. Just us and how we go about getting tags. The same amount of NR hunters are going to be hunting Idaho whichever way they hand them out. Right IDbull??
I know it is, I've talked to them quite a bit. It goes back to my first post. That's the one I was trying to get across. Yes they are getting cut, but explain to me the difference between draw and capped? Besides nothing except how they are distributed. It affects residents no different either way. Just us and how we go about getting tags. The same amount of NR hunters are going to be hunting Idaho whichever way they hand them out. Right IDbull??
I guess I don’t see why this confuses you! Just for numbers sake, say Idaho caps nonresident elk tags at 14,000 for the state...only a few zones have caps. The rest you can choose where you hunt, every year. If they put a hard cap per zone at 10% of what historical resident tag sales are, that will be significantly less than 14000 nonresident tags statewide. Given less tags and great demand, they go to a draw, you choose which zone you apply for. Some will have greater demand, others not. Either way, less tags get sold to nonresident hunters, gone are the days of buying a tag over the counter, and gone are the days of everyone having Idaho as a sure bet fall back when they don’t draw any of the more restrictive states around us. The writing is on the wall.I know it is, I've talked to them quite a bit. It goes back to my first post. That's the one I was trying to get across. Yes they are getting cut, but explain to me the difference between draw and capped? Besides nothing except how they are distributed. It affects residents no different either way. Just us and how we go about getting tags. The same amount of NR hunters are going to be hunting Idaho whichever way they hand them out. Right IDbull??
I really don't see what confuses you? I get it completely. Let's say unit 39/43 gets 600 NR tags allocated, whether it goes draw or first come first serve basis the end result is 600 non residents are hunting there. Same with elk. So why Are you fighting this draw system? You're obviously hunting an uncapped unit for elk, either way it should change next year for you. But I imagine you'll find something else to complain about with non resident hunters. This is all I was talking about in the beginning. No matter what you'll have less competition next year.I guess I don’t see why this confuses you! Just for numbers sake, say Idaho caps nonresident elk tags at 14,000 for the state...only a few zones have caps. The rest you can choose where you hunt, every year. If they put a hard cap per zone at 10% of what historical resident tag sales are, that will be significantly less than 14000 nonresident tags statewide. Given less tags and great demand, they go to a draw, you choose which zone you apply for. Some will have greater demand, others not. Either way, less tags get sold to nonresident hunters, gone are the days of buying a tag over the counter, and gone are the days of everyone having Idaho as a sure bet fall back when they don’t draw any of the more restrictive states around us. The writing is on the wall.
? The most popular zones for NR elk in the state see more NR than resident tags (Island Park, Leadore, Diamond Creek) this will change with reduced tags. Yes tags all get allocated whether first come OTC or through a draw system. When there is significantly greater demand than there are tags, Idaho will go to draw. It is the fair approach, not to mention a revenue source since all applicants will pay a non refundable application fee. I am all for decreasing tags and going to a draw system statewide for NR. And I have said nothing derogatory about NR hunters. I do feel like they act a little entitled sometimes. Most I see are great.I really don't see what confuses you? I get it completely. Let's say unit 39/43 gets 600 NR tags allocated, whether it goes draw or first come first serve basis the end result is 600 non residents are hunting there. Same with elk. So why Are you fighting this draw system? You're obviously hunting an uncapped unit for elk, either way it should change next year for you. But I imagine you'll find something else to complain about with non resident hunters. This is all I was talking about in the beginning. No matter what you'll have less competition next year.
Montana, is a, draw, only PROBLEM WITH that is its, a, 100% gaureenteed draw for general units, for non residents, we lived there for 9 yrs before purchaseing our small ranch property and. Moveing to Idaho in 2018Getting in before the modest price increase next year? How many who huff and puff about the unfairness of the long over due increases will not buy next year, as they spouted off when the increases were announced?? My guess is not many. Time for Idaho to go to draw only for NR, as every single one of our bordering states have done.
Montana is not a 100% guarantee. They had more applications the last three years than tags.Montana, is a, draw, only PROBLEM WITH that is its, a, 100% gaureenteed draw for general units, for non residents, we lived there for 9 yrs before purchaseing our small ranch property and. Moveing to Idaho in 2018
Wyoming is, every 3-5yrs for non residents unless you have family that owns land and gets land owner tags (my Inlaws, &. My family live in wyoming ) you can hunt wyoming every year on a, land owner tag
Wyoming is every 3-5 years for NR deer?? Thinking if you wanted to deer hunt a NR can get a deer tag every year there in some regions.
Why is it now possible to buy deer tags? Thought they were sold out?Anybody still looking for a gen deer tag should log in today......
It’s top secret info but I’m sure PMs work?!Why is it now possible to buy deer tags? Thought they were sold out?
Why is it now possible to buy deer tags? Thought they were sold out?
Some are general deer tags that got returned by those who drew controlled hunt tags, others are the remaining outfitter quota. I wonder what happened to all the elk tags though?Why is it now possible to buy deer tags? Thought they were sold out?
Are these sold out? I've logged on 2 days in a row and can't find them.
if there are any on the 1st sale in August I’m guessing it will be minutes rather than hoursim amazed it took more than 20 minutes
Big difference. One can only get a tag in Wyoming as a NR every 3 years. Montana isn’t a guarantee either. Forget about Utah or Nevada. Go to draw only for general NR, charge an application fee that will allow a drop in the total number of tags. It has to be done. When there are areas where the % of NR hunters is greater than the % of residents, that needs to change.I don’t hate NR hunters, I hate the absolute fact that when we have had extreme pressure where we hunt archery elk it is ALWAYS NR.
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