$$$ Nukes for Bin Laden $$$

OchocoKid

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In what alternate reality does selling ANY RAGHEAD any nuclear capability make sense ? let alone the guy who murders people as if they were rock chucks.


Who's forgotten where the 9/11 bombers came from ? not me. they are not allies they're customers. customers who'll stick a knife in your back for damn sure.

This isn't just a Trump thing though he loves it. if this goes through our entire government has failed us. I don't give a phuk if they can get it elsewhere , you don't dig your own grave for money.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrats-warn-trump-may-rush-nuclear-transfer-saudis-235055962.html








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Other than the obvious oil ties, I have never understood why the American people are ok with the fact that we are as close as we are with the Saudis. Has to be one of the dumber things I have ever witnessed. What is the point of "oil independence" if we are going to do whatever the people with all the oil want anyway? Those bastards play the US like a fiddle- always have.


>In what alternate reality does selling
>ANY RAGHEAD any nuclear
>capability make sense ?
>let alone the guy who
>murders people as if they
>were rock chucks.
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>Who's forgotten where the 9/11 bombers
>came from ? not
>me. they are
>not allies they're customers.
>customers who'll stick a knife
>in your back for damn
>sure.
>
>This isn't just a Trump thing
>though he loves it.
>if this goes through
>our entire government has failed
>us. I don't give a
>phuk if they can get
>it elsewhere , you
>don't dig your own grave
>for money.
>
>
>
>https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrats-warn-trump-may-rush-nuclear-transfer-saudis-235055962.html
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>Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Hmmm... funny stuff!


Do you mean ANY RAGHEADS except for the ones Obama gave nuclear technology to?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.–..._Peaceful_Civilian_Nuclear_Energy_Cooperation

If you read the comments from your stupid Yahoo article, the idiots are saying that the Saudis own Trump and he is giving them our nuclear technology because he's their puppet.

So then Obama was owned by UAE if you're going to hold him to the same standard? Where is the investigation? I didn't think so. You libtards and your TDS are out of control.
 
The other thing that you idiots seem to not understand is the fact that we aren't the only ones with nuclear technology. So if Saudi Arabia wants nuclear power they are going to get it with or without our help. Smarter people than you idiots have probably figured out that if we help them develop it we can also monitor it and under the 123 agreement the Saudis would only use the technology for peaceful purposes.

You dumbasses would rather us flip them the bird so that they bring in Russia or Pakistan to help them get it and then we have no control. You retards act like Trump came into office and owed all the major countries of the world favors and now he's paying them back.

I'm not going to do your homework for you but it doesn't take a nuclear physicist to research Saudi Arabia's long sought after nuclear program and how it started way before Trump. I know, I know... Trump has to do what the crown prince tells him to do right? Good God you people are stupid.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-21-19 AT 07:18PM (MST)[p]Amen Ca....

simpletons never know they are simpletons....even the smart ones. Just ask Ocho.....




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Pretty sure I never mentioned Trump. We (the American people, and our government, going back further than I can remember) have been palling around with the Saudis, while they are no different than many of the other nations in the region that we denounce/invade/bomb. They are like that friend we've had forever, that is an #####, but we're used to it. Whew, we have an agreement that they will only use it for peaceful purposes. I feel much better now. It's ok, when that plan comes back to bite us in the ass, we can ##### up another not-involved country, and create some more terrorists. I don't blame Trump on anything involving the Saudis any more than any other president in recent history.



>The other thing that you idiots
>seem to not understand is
>the fact that we aren't
>the only ones with nuclear
>technology. So if Saudi
>Arabia wants nuclear power they
>are going to get it
>with or without our help.
> Smarter people than you
>idiots have probably figured out
>that if we help them
>develop it we can also
>monitor it and under the
>123 agreement the Saudis would
>only use the technology for
>peaceful purposes.
>
>You dumbasses would rather us flip
>them the bird so that
>they bring in Russia or
>Pakistan to help them get
>it and then we have
>no control. You retards
>act like Trump came into
>office and owed all the
>major countries of the world
>favors and now he's paying
>them back.
>
>I'm not going to do your
>homework for you but it
>doesn't take a nuclear physicist
>to research Saudi Arabia's long
>sought after nuclear program and
>how it started way before
>Trump. I know, I
>know... Trump has to do
>what the crown prince tells
>him to do right?
>Good God you people are
>stupid.
 
....so we should isolate ourselves????not try to be an influence in the middle east???....perfect. That always works....until it doesn't





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CAforkhorn has a very valid point. If the Saudies want to develop nuke technology, they will get it. If not from us, then they will turn towards Russia. Putin would just love to sell them the technology for the billions they could afford to pay as he needs it for his economy. It would also give him another inroad into the middle east as he has in Syria.

Some times you have to deal with the devil in order to keep him close under a watchful eye. Iran will have a working nuke making program long before the Saudies will. That is unless Israel decides to take their sites out with a air raid like they did with Iraq.

RELH
 
Dudes never been one to grasp the big picture. If they deal with us they'll have security around those reactors and will be working with us not against us and that's to our benefit like many have stated.
 
What a bunch of dumbphuks. now I see why you don't care about background checks on guns to stop batchits from getting them. " if they're going to get one anyway why not sell them mine ? "

What is it that makes you think the Saudis are nice guys we can trust ?they've never been at odds with us right ? they'd never think of harming us right ?



Someone explain why Iran having a nuclear program is different from the US perspective than the Saudis. actually think this through now , just the facts . why is the threat to America not a concern ? you better do better than simple greed or you can GFYS right now.

this should be fun.










Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-21-19 AT 09:17PM (MST)[p]Then by all means enlighten us wise one.

Are Sunni that much more trustworthy than Shia ? is that your theory Einstein. ?

Hmmm, seems like Saddam was Sunni ? Bin Laden ? ISIS ? nah, no worries.



Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
You might actually try reading and comprehending many of the previous posts. That way you won't be so enamored with sitting in your own feces and eating it. So you think Russia, China, Pakistan or Iran would be better for us? LOL
 
No point in even responding to that drivel. Comparing nuclear weapons to guns is just stupid but you've already won that prize numerous times.

The Irony is that if we did tell Saudi Arabia to phuk off and they got nukes from Russia or Pakistan, you retards would blame Trump for allowing it to happen.
 
I asked why Iran getting nuclear power is any different than the Saudis getting nuclear power. $$$$$$ is not an answer.


I'm waiting.





Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
No that's not what you asked or the points you've tried to make in your illogical argument. You just don't seem to be able to grasp the reality of the situation and as such keep trying to support your false flags.

Iran has been working on developing nuclear weapons and the Saudi's clearly haven't had the capability up to this point.

The reality of what's in our best interest and which country poses the biggest threat to the middle east and the world according to the Pentagon eludes you. That's clearly why your argument keeps using false flags.

You keep believing yahoo news, vox and huffington post and move on.org. Obama's chief policy adviser on the middle east was Valerie Jarrett and Ben Rhodes and by most accounts by experts the closest they were ever to action was a food fight in school.

Finally, lest not we forget your guy Obama, got caught red handed telling the Russians (our most formidable enemy according to them) that he'd have more latitude to reduce our arsenal ( weakening our own capability) in his next term........ Now since the Russian's and Iranians and a few other unsavory types, were arming most of our enemies in the middle east & the world, that were opposing our troops, why would you want to continue to give them the advantage?

After all a more self reliant middle east can only be achieved by a mutual policy of deterrence not superiority. Keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of madmen has worked pretty well so far but Obama chose to look the other way and open pandoras box and debilitate our own military and one can only imagine how that's helped us.

But hey open borders and unlawful occupation of our country has always been a goal of the socialist's and we are watching it right before our eyes. Hell it's just a matter of time until they force you to open your big fat checkbook and pay some folks who haven't been enslaved for more than 150 years many of whom have been supported by the taxpayers on welfare programs, just to get their vote, all in the name of equality....LOL
 
Maybe you should look at what the Saudis actually said about going nuclear. They essentially said that they are going to get nuclear power inevitably and if the US wants to take themselves out of the market then so be it. Is that what you want?
 
good one. " look at what they've said " . so as long as a murdering jihadist says he's not going to be a bad boy they get whatever the hell they want ? priceless. you get a MAGA hat.

What is there about the Saudis that assures you we can trust them more than Iran ? answer the phuking question or STFU your irrelevant drivel is annoying.











Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
He's a complete fool. The Saudi's have had the wealth to change their course to nuclear power for decades. That's a point that's clearly lost on him. He's nothing more than a parrot for others talking points that he chooses to use.
 
When it comes to drivel you damn moron you've got that cornered.

You jumping on here demanding answers is even more hysterical......

Take a look in the mirror and ask yourself who's the biggest Bigot and blowhard you know.....it should be a great exercise in self reflection for you.

Now go crawl back under your rock.......LOL
 
Well, you're just smart enough to know you can't answer the question. but you're too dumb to STFU .

Anyone else care to try ?








Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Ochotard, when I said to look at what they said, I meant for you to actually go look at what they said. I knew you wouldn't go look however so I even told you what they said in the same post.

One last time before I ignore your dumb ass again. They said that they are going nuclear (peaceful) no matter what and the US can either help them do that or we can go phuk ourselves.

We are not stopping Iran from having peaceful nuclear power. We just think that they're wanting more than that. So once again, people that are way smarter than your 3rd grade BS have figured out that it's better for us to help the Saudis than Russia or Pakistan. All you idiots can think about is Trump giving "ragheads" the bomb, but like Homer said, you're a simpleton and the TDS is strong with you.
 
God you're stupid. if you think that line of bullchit answered my question you're even dumber than I thought.


If a murdering dictator can butter your simple azz with his words it's no wonder you slurped up Trump so fast.



If Trump has his way we will stop Iran from having peaceful nuclear power. maybe even start a war over it . you're a liar.


But you're ready to bend over and let the killers of Americans , torturers of women and the sponsor of ISIS have " peaceful " nuclear power because we're helpless to prevent it. helpless ? or unwilling ?


the question is why one and not the other ? com'on stay focused.

Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Dude wake up nobody's claiming your wrong about the Saudis. It's just that you're being naive. Most of those countries over there have all been players with ISIS. Lest not we forget Hillary and Obama gave guns to some factions ( Benghazi ring any bells)of ISIS. Hell we gave Bin laden weapons in the past before he turned on us. It's easy to get duped because I've said many times your friend today may be your enemy tomorrow in the middle east. Money buys anything over there. We have long established ties with them and it's better we control it. Hell our allies have been spying on us for years and American's have died as a result so open your eyes. Politics and diplomacy are a dirty business.

The point most of us are trying to make with you is Saudi Arabia could have bought it anytime they wanted from whom they wanted. It makes more sense to sell it to them with us controlling things rather than our enemies. It's that simple but letting Iran expand it's foothold or Russia or China is foolish. Now the Pentagon agrees with this and so do a lot of other deep thinkers so you have to put your feelings aside and and make the move that makes the most sense. It's always going to be a tinder box but we've spent a lot of blood and treasure over there and being able to have an ally far outweighs limiting our options in the future.

So you think making a deal with Iran makes more sense? They're allied with Russia and China so how's that going to work? Russia's our enemy, right, the press tells us that everyday and Putin's going to nuke us...... There's a lot more dominoes on the table over there than the Saudis.....so look at the big picture instead of the myopic view the biased press wants you to take. Obama's policy over there has been proven wrong time and again so it's not a good indicator of what will work, JV leaders make JV decisions resulting in JV teams becoming bigger threats.
 
So , you're admitting there is no difference between Iran and Saudi Arabia. that's progress, but I disagree. the Saudis have harmed us far more than Iran.


So we're willing to go against the world who still honor an agreement with Iran, and possibly go to war to stop Iran. but we want to cash in on the Saudi project $$$$$$ because we 're helpless to prevent it.


You don't have a problem with that? wouldn't it be logical to either fight both or fight neither ? is the problem with Iran really not Iran but who they're $$$$$$$ buying their program from ?

You can be a hero or you can be greedy. you can't be a greedy hero.














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Oh that's right I'm sorry you support Iran because they support Hezbollah which has been a terrorist organization for decades. What's their main function? Terrorism especially on Jews.

How could I have forgotten your hatred of Jews and support for any country supporting their genocide. It's only natural for you to support the #1 sponsor of terrorism in the world, when killing jews is one of their main goals.

So I guess that would make you the "Nazi lover" not the majority of guys on this forum you keep referring to as "Nazi's." When you're not bright enough to know who they were let alone what they did a wise man would refrain from making himself look ignorant. Those are the types of mistakes that clearly show your ignorance and your bigotry, but then being informed on any topic isn't your forte'. LOL
 
Ah, now it's making sense. why didn't I think of that ? ( HA! ) . you're being a good goyim and serving your master.


You don't have a problem with Saudis flying planes into our buildings, or supporting ISIs , or killing and dissolving US residents in acid. no problem with beating rape victims. no problem with gross human rights violations of all kinds.


What you DO have a problem with is Iran being a possible problem for your chosen ones. so they have to be treated as enemies whereas the Saudis are cash cows and not an immediate threat to your masters. phuk the US .

You finally answered honestly. and for that we thank you.









Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
LOL ignorance abounds.... So how many folks around the globe do you think that Iran and Iran sponsored terrorism groups and dollars have wounded or killed?

Here's a hint dumbazz it's far in excess of a million many of whom were their own people......nice try guess google failed you again....

Here now lets see which country was most recently on our state department's terrorist list and aided militant groups on our list?

Ding ding.....answer Iran.... here's your sign!!


HINT When you're not smart enough to know what they did to their own people it's foolish to use that premise in an argument. That should be checkmate comrade.....
 
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There are a couple things that make the sale of U.S. Nuclear Technology to Saudi Arabia an issue.

1. Riyadh so far has not been willing to sign a 123 Agreement on the peaceful use of U.S. nuclear Technology

2. The Trump administration was trying to press forward with providing Riyadh Nuclear technology in the absence of said agreement.

3. Sunni Muslim terrorism financed by the Saudi's has been responsible for thousands and thousands of deaths around the world.

Regardless of what our posture toward Iran is, dealing with the Saudi's is a separate issue. Saudi Arabia continues to export the radical wahhabi brand of Islam around the world, including here on U.S. soil.



Now is it better to be the vendor to Saudi Arabia for their nuclear power plants? That is a different question. Russia is willing to take the spent nuclear fuel for free as part of their deal, are you guys ready to store spent Nuclear fuel here in America? If so maybe California should take it as a way to show the rest of America your willingness to make a nuclear deal with Saudi Arabia at all costs.

Nemont
 
I agree the Saudi deal is a separate deal from the Iran agreement. but we are no longer in the Iran agreement. so our official stance is we'd rather go to war with them than honor our agreement.

Suadi on the other hand we're tripping over our #### to get their money .

Separate deals. separate approaches to the same problem. they must be addressed in the same manor or we're completely off our rocker. the saudis are worse than Iran in almost every way.

In my opinion we're out of bounds to tell anyone we can decide their nuclear power situation. but if we're going to be world cop then both muslim extremist countries should be allowed nuclear power with strict oversight. something like the deal we fell backwards on in Iran.











Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Don't get me wrong here. I'm not advocating that we just willy nilly give the Saudis nuclear power. There must be a 123 agreement in place or it's no deal and they must adhere to the same standards other countries adhere to in getting the technology. Ultimately I think it will be the Russians or the Chinese that give them the nukes and they end up giving us the bird. If that happens I think Saudi Arabia needs to be looked at in a different light rather than middle eastern ally.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-25-19 AT 02:12PM (MST)[p]Well I can see your buddy had to bail you out. Yes the Saudi's are a problem that's been documented by everyone on this forum.

So given the Russians have not been abiding by the treaty they signed with us what makes you so willing to want to step aside and think anything they do is in the worlds best interest? After all they are working very hard to expand their global foot print again. Since Putin is saber rattling and issuing threats and allied with the Iranians it would appear you're ready to throw in the towel.

So let me come at you from a different angle just to open a little more perspective.... since dude is obviously for the browning of America what makes us so sure that those little guys over there aren't the ones who've been pulling the strings all along? Don't be too sure about what you think is going on boys because they're working very hard to promote the fact more nations need to take in more Muslims as an humanitarian issue and we're fools if we think that's been an overwhelming success thus far....

Talk about a plan to expand your global footprint..... what better way to conquer than from within.

Why are they refusing to assimilate in many of the countries that have taken them in? Why are they demanding Sharia law and not willing to conform to the countries they reside in. The mayor of London is now a Muslim and he's trying to change their laws to be more aligned with Muslims in their society. Why are there now parts of London, Paris and other cities that are off limits to infidels?

So while some of your points about the Wahabi Muslims are valid and worth considering the majority of folks relocated to other countries that now have Muslim issues aren't of the Wahabi sect and the issues are increasing. I agree it's a complex issue but not one so large we can't deal with.

Lest not we forget Russia seems to have an insatiable appetite for Uranium in just about any form and Obama seemed to think we had too much so he arranged for us to sell some of ours. One can only imagine where it wound up after it left here. Canada must be working very hard on expanding their nuclear programs. By the way how much do you think we got in revenue as a country for one of the rarest commodities on earth? I don't know do you guys?

So yes the issues complex and both countries are an issue but we as a nation have to do what's in our best interest... not Russia or Iran's and and that should be our main objective. Not all the damn misdirection that normally occurs around nuclear power. We have it, we use it, and when done right its one of the best forms of energy known to mankind. The fuel rods could be recyced to use for in other projects and if they come from the right source they could be used to repower nuclear reactors. Recycling would require building facility's for that purpose but it is feasible, and we would certainly want to control that.

If you're more afraid of the Saudi's than the Iranians then I can't help you two with that either, one's not threatening to kill us and the other two do quite often. If you two think the Russian's and the Iranians are going to abide by any agreements they make with anyone you're only kidding yourselves. Yes it's a complex issue and yes it needs to be monitored but once you open pandora's box on this, every oil rich nation will be lining up wanting nuclear power to light all those skyscrapers, hotels, and expansion going on in the desert. So do you get involved and control the issue or just walk away and let the Russians have it?.....there's really only one answer in this equation and we all know it's nothing to turn your back on.
 
So then why all the bashing and nagging and yelling that America must be the willing seller to Riyadh? The Kingdom has not signed any protocol regarding Nuclear Weapons or Nuclear Power generation
except the Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed as well.

Do you find it curious that the Trump administration advanced the idea of supplying the Saudi's with Nuclear know how sans a formal 123 Agreement even in the works?

If the U.S. Nuclear power industry wasn't hamstrung at home then it wouldn't be in such need of foreign sales. One would think that the NIMBY problem with Nuclear Power plants should be getting less and less important given the "evils" of coal or oil fired power plants. Zero greenhouse gas emissions should make Nuclear Power the darling of the power generating industry instead of the redheaded step child.

Nobody wants a nuclear power plant anywhere close to them.

Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-25-19 AT 03:06PM (MST)[p]>Well I can see your buddy
>had to bail you out.
>Yes the Saudi's are a
>problem that's been documented by
>everyone on this forum.
>
>So given the Russians have not
>been abiding by the treaty
>they signed with us what
>makes you so willing to
>want to step aside and
>think anything they do is
>in the worlds best interest?
>After all they are working
>very hard to expand
>their global foot print again.
>Since Putin is saber rattling
>and issuing threats and allied
>with the Iranians it would
>appear you're ready to throw
>in the towel.

Throw in the towel on what exactly? Are you advocating selling the Saudi's Nuclear Technology without the constraints of a 123 Agreement?



>So let me come at you
>from a different angle just
>to open a little more
>perspective.... since dude is obviously
>for the browning of America
>what makes us so sure
>that those little guys over
>there aren't the ones who've
>been pulling the strings all
>along? Don't be too sure
>about what you think is
>going on boys because they're
>working very hard to promote
>the fact more nations need
>to take in more Muslims
>as an humanitarian issue and
>we're fools if we think
>that's been an overwhelming success
>thus far....

What exactly does the above have to do with Saudi Arabia getting American nuclear power generating plants?


>Talk about a plan to expand
>your global footprint..... what better
>way to conquer than from
>within.

Global footprint of Russia to the global footprint of Muslims. Which is trying to expand and why do you believe either is ahead of us?



>Why are they refusing to assimilate
>in many of the countries
>that have taken them in?
>Why are they demanding Sharia
>law and not willing to
>conform to the countries they
>reside in. The mayor of
>London is now a Muslim
>and he's trying to change
>their laws to be more
>aligned with Muslims in their
>society. Why are there now
>parts of London, Paris and
>other cities that are off
>limits to infidels?

So the solution is Muslim assimilation into various populations around the globe is to make sure Saudi Arabia has nuclear power.


>So while some of your points
>about the Wahabi Muslims are
>valid and worth considering the
>majority of folks relocated to
>other countries that now have
>Muslim issues aren't of the
>Wahabi sect and the issues
>are increasing. I agree it's
>a complex issue but not
>one so large we can't
>deal with.

I never claimed anything of the sort. I said the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, our erstwhile ally, is exporting an extreme version of Islams through state funding of Wahhabi Madarassa's including some on American soil. I can't find an Iranian counterpart which operates freely in our country like the Saudi's do.


>Lest not we forget Russia seems
>to have an insatiable appetite
>for Uranium in just about
>any form and Obama seemed
>to think we had too
>much so he arranged for
>us to sell some of
>ours. One can only imagine
>where it wound up after
>it left here. Canada must
>be working very hard on
>expanding their nuclear programs. By
>the way how much do
>you think we got in
>revenue as a country for
>one of the rarest commodities
>on earth? I don't know
>do you guys?

How much Uranium has Russia imported from Wyoming through the Uranium One?

>So yes the issues complex and
>both countries are an issue
>but we as a nation
>have to do what's in
>our best interest... not Russia
>or Iran's and and that
>should be our main objective.
>Not all the damn misdirection
> that normally occurs around
>nuclear power. We have it,
>we use it, and when
>done right its one of
>the best forms of energy
>known to mankind,

So in your view it is better to be a vendor even if the Nuke could be used against us some day. We will be less dead from an American technology produce nuke then a Russian or Chinese technology produced nuke.

>If you're more afraid of the
>Saudi's than the Iranians then
>I can't help you two
>with that either, one's not
>threatening to kill us and
>the other two do quite
>often. If you two think
>the Russian's and the Iranians
>are going to abide by
>any agreements they make with
>anyone you're only kidding yourselves.
>Yes it's a complex issue
>and yes it needs to
>be monitored but once you
>open pandora's box on this,
>every oil rich nation will
>be lining up wanting nuclear
>power to light all those
>skyscrapers, hotels, and expansion going
>on in the desert. So
>do you get involved and
>control the issue or just
>walk away and let the
>Russians have it?.....there's really only
>one answer in this equation
>and we all know it's
>nothing to turn your back
>on.

I haven't advocated for anything other than point out that Riyadh has not shown any inclination to sign any 123 Agreement with the United States. There is little to nothing we can do to stop them from going to Russia or China except lean on them diplomatically and ask them to remember which countries came to their aid when their Neighbor threatened their oil fields.

If American Nuclear Technology is to be used then the American sellers of said Nuclear Technology should follow our laws. So far there isn't a lawful agreement to send such technology to the Kingdom.

It makes zero sense to speed up the process if the process isn't to be followed. If we want to export Nuclear Power Plants to the Saudi's then their king should give the nod to make the proper deal with us, not try to do an end run around our rules. Zero to do with fear, zero to do with Iran, zero to do with Israel, zero to do with Muslim immigrants assimilating into cultures.

Nemont
 
The Saudi royal family will insure muslims never assimilate into other cultures. they will literally kill you for acting like you're from another culture.

The Saudis are our enemy, wrapped in a cash . who says money can't buy love.












Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
I do not trust the Saudis either. Another good reason to back up Israel for a counter balance in that area. If the Saudis are going to get nuke power for industrial use, I would prefer that we are involved to the point that we can monitor it is only used for non military weapons. If the Russians get involved, the Saudis will try for military nukes without us monitoring them.

RELH
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-25-19 AT 03:38PM (MST)[p]>I do not trust the Saudis
>either. Another good reason to
>back up Israel for a
>counter balance in that area.
>If the Saudis are going
>to get nuke power for
>industrial use, I would prefer
>that we are involved to
>the point that we can
>monitor it is only used
>for non military weapons. If
>the Russians get involved, the
>Saudis will try for military
>nukes without us monitoring them.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> RELH

Great, so to give us a competitive edge like the Russians have, let's build the spent nuclear fuel storage site in your county. Seeing as how you would rather us sell them the technology and all.

Israel has never signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty and has nukes. Their first reactor was supplied by us during the Eisenhower administration's "Atoms for Peace Program", with a promise to not develop nuclear weapons. Then Israel spied on us and via a massive theft of American technology, processes and material developed a nuclear bomb.

So why exactly you trust Israel, who has also been providing medical support for ISIS fighters in Syria, who then return to fight the fighters we support, is beyond me.

Nemont
 
Israel is the mother land of the master race to these goyim. they are servants to the chosen ones. they'll never ask why or push back.


If there is one bipartisan issue in our government it's Israel get's everything they want. Israel wants to have illegal nukes and they want Iran not to. and that's exactly how we're going about it. they own our congress and we accept it. if you don't you're an " anti-Semite " and that's worse than a father raper.

The Saudis hate the jews. but thy hate the Sunni worse. Israel is okay with the saudis humping us because the iran is their common enemy at the moment.

Once Iran is eliminated or neutralized the jews will have us at odds with Saudi Arabia. it will be like groundhog day. and we'll do it with a smile.










Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
It would appear our state department in fibbing to us. In 2017 N. Korea, Iran, Syria and Sudan were the top supporters of terrorism and as such were being sanctioned by us. Nemonts clever little ruse of posting up an old article with Bin Laden still on the loose funding terrorism was very creative.

Nemont's so worried about those fuel rods yet doesn't seem too alarmed about Russia wanting to take them since they can recycle them into other usages....some more lethal.

Yes it concerns me they don't want to sign the agreement but you think Russia's concerned with that? Seriously you two morons need to wake up a bit.

So Israel didn't sign the agreement and you're so concerned about them.... so how many nukes have they set off? You two can sure manage to use misdirection a lot. LOl and how many wars have they been in ? I rest mu case.

Israel stole the technology from us is a compelling argument except that the Jewish people were just a little bit instrumental in us getting the bomb and understanding nuclear fission in the first place and you don't think they knew they were targeted for extermination.

They were sending us information and working on the project, the entire time we were building our bomb and you're naive enough to think those minds weren't capable of remembering or forwarding information to others who if they survived could use it.

Los Alamos National Labratory was in the loop and they had some outside help believe me.... You don't know what the hell you're talking about. You may be able to read the written word but the reality of what happened in the development of that weapon took a lot of help from their great minds.

Truth is there was a lot of misdirection used before during and after the bombs were developed and dropped on anything nuclear related not to mention the secrecy involved. So Ike letting them have the reactor makes perfect sense. I know Nemont your sources are good but mine came from a guy who actually worked at Los Alamos National Labratory in a high level position named Harold Agnew.
 
Nemont, the 123 agreement has actually been in the works, it has just never been finalized. So, for the record, you're against the US helping the Saudis get nuclear power plants?

You do realize that they will get them right? That is the danger of nuclear technology globally, eventually more and more countries are going to want the technology. I believe we would be best served to have a hand in facilitating the inevitable rather than our adversaries. And, you're absolutely right, Democrats and the TDS crowd should be screaming for us to expand nuclear power throughout the planet since it is such a clean technology. Maybe the consensus is that we only have 12 years left on Earth anyway so what's the point.
 
>Nemont, the 123 agreement has actually
>been in the works, it
>has just never been finalized.
> So, for the record,
>you're against the US helping
>the Saudis get nuclear power
>plants?

No. I am for doing it in a way that makes sense for the good of America not for the good some Flynn associate.

MBS has not signed off on the 123 agreement and yet there was a push to expedite nukes to the Kingdom.


>You do realize that they will
>get them right? That
>is the danger of nuclear
>technology globally, eventually more and
>more countries are going to
>want the technology. I
>believe we would be best
>served to have a hand
>in facilitating the inevitable rather
>than our adversaries. And,
>you're absolutely right, Democrats and
>the TDS crowd should be
>screaming for us to expand
>nuclear power throughout the planet
>since it is such a
>clean technology. Maybe the
>consensus is that we only
>have 12 years left on
>Earth anyway so what's the
>point.

So now wanting to ensure the safety of Americans and safe guard it's nuclear technology is TDS?

I guess just send that nuke stuff to the highest bidder and say screw it to the consequences.

You believe Riyadh wouldn't pursue our technology and still make a deal with Russia/Pakistan/North Korea/India if they decide they need a bomb?

You trust them more than I do

Nemont
 
Bottom line Nemont, do you have a better plan? if we fail to assist the Saudis and they turn to Russia, is your plan to start a war by bombing their nuke sites? Or is your plan to stand by with our thumb up our A$$ and let Russia have their way?
Come on old bright one and give us what your plan is to better the situation.

RELH
 
Why is the written word so fricken hard for Trump lovers to understand? follow the law, get an agreement, signed on paper prior to selling nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia. Don't fast track based on Flynn's buddy's wanting a pay day.

Nemont
 
Are you allowing your hatred for Trump causing you to jump the gun? Where are your facts to show that they are not going for a binding written agreement that will outline the course of action and requirements of both parties?

RELH
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-19 AT 08:54AM (MST)[p]Go read the actual document about what was being pushed. Do this show me the signed agreement between Saudi Arabia and the U.S. that allows the lawful transfer of Nuclear Technology.

http://theconversation.com/why-prop...actors-to-saudi-arabia-raise-red-flags-112276

Just follow the rules laid out and it wouldn't be an issue for most Americans. Do it in a way that makes one question why the rush and it raises all kinds of questions. Be transparent.

Every time anyone dares to question Trump?s actions you whine like a beotch. I guess in your world one should only hold democrat presidents accountable and let Republican Presidents off the hook.

You sound just like the Obama apologist.

Nemont
 
So Nemont could you take the time to read the Russian version and ours and point out the differences. That way we'll know just how to get Putin in a box to make sure he'll negotiate in good faith........since he doesn't seem to think the terms of our agreements are binding.......WTFU
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-19 AT 09:15AM (MST)[p]
So because Putin doesn't have to listen to his own people, we should follow in his foot steps and just send Saudi Arabia our Nuclear Technology? Good thinking comrade, Putin can agree with you.


How about following the lawful way to transfer nuclear technology already laid out and not doing things because Putin is willing to do them. You know be better than a dictator, I know that is something tough for a Trump lover to understand but we shouldn't rush to do something just because a dictator is willing to do it.


Tell me how us transferring our Nuclear Technology makes Russian Technology off limits if Saudi Arabia wants to build a bomb? Do you believe that in the future if that is case we should allow them a Nuclear bomb because Putin would have done so?

If Obama were still president would you still be gungho on this or whining like a little beotch about Obama bowing to the Saudi King? We all the answer so what changed based on which party a president is from.

Nemont
 
Nemont, your hatred for everything Trump does knows no bounds. Talk about a whining b!tch, that is you concerning Trump and you will never change. Your hatred is so severe that any discussion with you is futile.

RELH
 
RELH,

Who is whining?

So now following the law as set down on paper for the lawful transfer of American Nuclear technology is to be ignored because Putin is willing to make a deal.

Let's see if you are honest? Would you have been so supportive if Obama was doing the same thing? We all know the truth but let's see if you are an honest former doughnut eater or just a Trump loving used up corrupt cope.

If you would not have supporters this if Obama did then you are just another useless hack. If you do support Trump circumventing the law and transferring nuclear Technology because Putin would too, then you are simply a Trumpette who is willing to let Trump get away with anything because you can't stand anyone saying a single negative thing about him.

Your default is that if you one doesn't suck 100% of Trump's shlong like you that means you hate him. Which is total BS.

You should demand Trump follow our laws instead of giving him cover whenever he chooses to ignore our laws. But I know for a retired corrupt law dog, following all the laws isn't your style.

Nemont
 
WTFU Putin doesn't care

You're playing tiddly winks and he's playing global chess.It's really just that simple....His goal is to rebuild Russian dominance 1 piece at a time and if we make that easier for him then it's a win win for him. If you can't grasp that I can't help you.


You better get a snorkle you're in over your head again.....
 
>WTFU Putin doesn't care
>
> You're playing tiddly winks and
>he's playing global chess.It's really
>just that simple....His goal is
>to rebuild Russian dominance 1
>piece at a time and
>if we make that easier
>for him then it's a
>win win for him. If
>you can't grasp that I
>can't help you.
>
>
>You better get a snorkle you're
>in over your head again.....
>

I grasp it fine, you want America to end it's long held beliefs that the transfer of Nuclear technology should entail rigorous oversight because you fear Putin will do it for the Saudi's. You fear Putin and believe his is smarter than our leader but instead of demanding anything of upholding our long held system that worked, you want to rush in fear of Putin without any oversight.
If the Saudi's refused to abide by our standards you would rather us abandon our standards and act like Putin. Makes perfect sense why you love you some Trump.

So you believe the only leverage we have with the Kingdom is whether we deliver them Nuclear Technology vs. Russia doing it.

Do tell what is wrong with having higher standards? I am just curious. Be honest and answer the question if Obama was doing this would you be so gungho about supporting it?


Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-19 AT 11:09AM (MST)[p]



Maybe we need to talk more about who the Saudis really are. Iran is always vilified and the Saudis are seen as Trump's friendly butt buds. both nations are extremists but Iran is the lesser of the two.



92% of Saudis say the Islamic State represents their vision of Islam. which by the support they get from the Saudis is obviously true. this is a good market for nuclear programs ? yes or no. there is no middle ground and this question must be addressed.



From right wing FOX buddy media no less.....


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-conforms-to-the-values-of-islam-islamic-law/















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Obama already chit in the sandbox and gave them permission, along with plane loads of money to help them afford it, and that's exactly what got us into this F/N mess. If you can't figure out why I can't help you. Now they're gonna be lining up for nuclear power and all you can do is try to restrict what they can do. Good Luck with that!

That's tough when you have countries willing to sell them things they don't have the ability to build themselves and some of the biggest bank accounts in the world. Billions and billions and billions of dollars are on the table......... and there's more being pumped out every day.

given the corrupt nature of most government do you think they'll pass up the bucks........Hell our open borders should tell you all you need to know about protecting our country.........and that costs us billions, upon billions, upon billions,..... and you want an agreement..... hey look there's Obama over in the corner laughing at you. LOL
 
>
>https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/02/...123-agreement-us-deputy-energy-secretary.html
>
>
>So I'm not sure why you
>think a 123 agreement isn't
>part of the deal?


I never said the 123 Agreement wasn't part of the deal. I said there isn't a signed agreement as of today. Yet there were people inside of the Trump administration trying to get him to speed up the transfer of Nuclear Technology without said agreement. Go look.

If all the I's were dotted and T's crossed then great, send the Kingdom our Nuclear Power know how. Until then they can either play with fire using Russia/China/India/Pakistan/North Korea or they can abide by our rules.

Nemont
 
>Obama already chit in the sandbox
>and gave them permission, along
>with plane loads of money
>to help them afford it,
>and that's exactly what got
>us into this F/N mess.
>If you can't figure out
>why I can't help you.
>Now they're gonna be lining
>up for nuclear power and
>all you can do is
>try to restrict what they
>can do. Good Luck with
>that!
>
>That's tough when you have countries
>willing to sell them things
>they don't have the ability
>to build themselves and some
>of the biggest bank accounts
>in the world. Billions and
>billions and billions of dollars
>are on the table......... and
>there's more being pumped out
>every day.
>
>given the corrupt nature of most
>government do you think they'll
>pass up the bucks........Hell our
>open borders should tell
>you all you need to
>know about protecting our country.........and
>that costs us billions, upon
>billions, upon billions,..... and you
>want an agreement..... hey look
>there's Obama over in the
>corner laughing at you. LOL
>

So you wouldn't be gungho if Obama was going to transfer Nuclear Technology to Riyadh without a 123 Agreement in place?

Because Putin is willing to do something means we should be willing to do it as well? Makes perfect sense.

If Trump is so brilliant how come you believe Putin is smarter?

The ends justify the means only if Trump is in office but if there is a Democrat then, well we know that they must be anti American so don't support anything they do.

You sound like a guy who thinks like it is still 1984, lives like it is 1954 and acts like he is 104.

Nemont
 
So... I never said we shouldn't have a 123 agreement and yes there is some people pushing for this to happen but last I checked the deal is not done and the deputy energy secretary says there won't be a deal without the 123 agreement, so what is the problem again?
 
Have you seen Boskee stating we are stupid to wait and to just send them Nuclear Technology without an agreement of any kind because that is what comrade Putin would do? That is Trump's base right there. See any problem with that line of thought? Because it is the same thought process inside the White House.



Nemont
 
nobody ever said that.... in fact all of us stated an agreement would be better.... The fact you can't grasp is they don't need to wait for any agreement and somebody will step up and sell it to them....so get your head out of your azz. dipchit.

How safe are you then?

Obama screwed the pooch just admit it and move on. You and I both know why he did it trouble is he didn't see the big picture or knowing him maybe he did one can make a very rational argument that he seemed to delight in weakening our country. Give him a nice bow to show your appreciation.
 

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