ya I sold my bow and picked that thing up. I'm putting the "hunt back in hunting!"I'd Place Money On It Being Your Rifle Wiff!
That's 3,000.00 Worth Of CAN!
You Gotta Protect It
I would absolutely hate to pack that thing around.Can someone explain to me what this is? And why are we talking about recurve bows, muzzy scopes, shed hunting, bait and trail cams??? Logic only please.....I know it's hard. View attachment 133308
He’s prepping for horse hunts in the future……Don't worry about that - nothing to see here!!
We only want to limit bows and muzzy's to save a few trophy bucks and bulls so we can annihilate them with these cool gadgets that can kill at over a mile
Horses will be the only thing left shortly, in most desert units…He’s prepping for horse hunts in the future……
A guy would need a packstring of burros to carry that "simple" rifle.He’s prepping for horse hunts in the future……
Was that ‘Ol Stinkystomper down on the Dutton when he killed that 380 bull that was really 320?I Know A Guy That Has a 50 That Was Built To Look Like A Regular Rifle!
I Packed It For Him A Half A Day For Back-Up & Had All Of It I Wanted!
SOB Was Like 38 lbs!
320??? You mean 280?Was that ‘Ol Stinkystomper down on the Dutton when he killed that 380 bull that was really 320?
Yes-320 using the MM measuring tape320??? You mean 280?
Was that ‘Ol Stinkystomper down on the Dutton when he killed that 380 bull that was really 320?
Why would you pack that thing around? It's the ultimate truck gun and will kill anything for 2 miles around from a trailer-hitch work table if set up with a platform, tripod & swivel chair.I would absolutely hate to pack that thing around.
I have no idea on that type of setup. I do know the majority of guys I associate with that rifle hunt have all built long range custom guns. In fact I don't know one that doesn't shoot a custom made gun. Why wouldn't they, not shaming them by any means. I also don't know a lot of people nor do I care to so take that for what it's worth. I guess what gets my size 64 tighty whities in a bunch is that gun pictured above is legal (other than maybe electronics in the scope?) and we are banning bait, trail cams, restricting muzzys, and talking about recurve bows on units.Not sure why we always point to the extremes as an example of what guys are using. My guess is that way less than one tenth of one percent of the "hunters" use something like that.
What's your guess WIffy? Six guys in the whole State use something like that on the hunt?
I do agree that a lot of this has gotten out of hand
Zeke
A rifle by far has the highest success rate of the weapons. (that means they kill the most animals and are given the most tags) Have you missed the steady tag cuts and lost opportunity over the last 30+ years? Yet archery and muzzy restrictions have gone in place before any impactful rifle restrictions?I've always thought of it in reverse. If I were a dyed in the wool muzzy or bow hunter, and advancements in tech made the success rates go up, and thus the permit allocations down, I'd be pissed. As a rifle hunter, I don't really see rifle success rates going up due to long range rigs- so I really don't care too much.
I have a stick bow.Hey Wiff?
Get you A FRED BEAR Rounded Up Before Laws Change & While You Can Get One At A Reasonable Price!
True enough. I just don't believe the success rates of rifle hunters is improved much if any by those weapons. I think maybe 10% of hunters have 'em, and 10% of those can effectively use 'em.rifle by far has the highest success rate of the weapons. (that means they kill the most animals and are given the most tags)
I said in the beginning and as soon as muzzy restriction discussions were made public it WAS a move to save Deer,A rifle by far has the highest success rate of the weapons. (that means they kill the most animals and are given the most tags) Have you missed the steady tag cuts and lost opportunity over the last 30+ years? Yet archery and muzzy restrictions have gone in place before any impactful rifle restrictions?
When are the rifle restrictions coming? We had to get ahead of the tech of archery and muzzy from what the talking heads have told us. Is that gun in the pic not advanced tech enough to get ahead of?
True enough. I just don't believe the success rates of rifle hunters is improved much if any by those weapons. I think maybe 10% of hunters have 'em, and 10% of those can effectively use 'em.
Well said Elk, I'm sure it happens.Zeke Said:
Sure, Lots of guys have "custom" rifles but damn few shoot them enough to be any good anyway, IMHO.
And I Agree With That Wondering How Many Animals Are Wounded By Lazy ASSSHoles Too Lazy To Go Look For Blood?
3 Years Ago We Ran Into A Hunter On An LE Elk Hunt That Shot A Bull!
Said He Shot 13 Rounds At The Bull Before He Put Him Down!
3 Points Were Shot Off!
Would Them 3 Shots Be Considered Misses?
Then He Was BRAGGING He'd Shot At 2 Other Bulls The Day Before That Were Across A Big Canyon & Shot A Box Of Bullets At Them 2 Bulls!
You Think He Hiked Over To Look For Blood?
I Asked Him If He Did?
He Was Quick To Reply He Was POSITIVE He Didn't Hit Either One Of Them!
F'N Eh!
I am primarily a bow hunter (with occasional rifle hunts) and have been since I borrowed my future father-in-law's bow on a hunting trip with him in 1966. I was 25 years old.I've always thought of it in reverse. If I were a dyed in the wool muzzy or bow hunter, and advancements in tech made the success rates go up, and thus the permit allocations down, I'd be pissed. As a rifle hunter, I don't really see rifle success rates going up due to long range rigs- so I really don't care too much.
True that...Well said Elk, I'm sure it happens.
I'm also sure it has happened long before the LR craze and will continue until the end of hunting. Many if not most guys are pretty lazy.
Zeke
I am primarily a bow hunter (with occasional rifle hunts) and have been since I borrowed my future father-in-law's bow on a hunting trip with him in 1966. I was 25 years old.
In my lifetime there have been some "major" advancements to archery equipment, including:
- (1939 -aluminum arrows - James Easton)
- 1951 - Plastiflech vanes - Max Hamilton
- 1953 - Recurve bows - Bear Archery
- 1956 - Pistol grip bow handles - Hoyt Archery
- 1961 - Torque stabilizer - Hoyt Archery
- 1961 - Compound bow - Holless Allen (triangular wheels)
- ???? - Round wheels - ?
- 1970 - Release Aids - ? - debuted in U.S. Nat'l competition
- 1971 - Flipper rest - Andy Rimo
- 1971 - Soft plastic vanes - Flex Fletch
- 1974 - Dual prong arrow rest - Freddie Troncoso
- 1982 - Cam wheels - ?
- 1983 - Carbon arrow shaft - Easton Archery
- 1992 - Single cam bows - Matt McPherson (Mathews Archery)
- During all this time and since, there have been numerous advancements in bow designs, materials, sights, rests, release aids, stabilizers, string stops, mechanical broadheads, etc.
. And has all this technology greatly increased the success rates? NOPE! While there are certainly many factors that determine success rates, the overall bow hunting success rates are only about 2.8% higher now than they were before the invention of the compound bow. (1952-1965-17.1%) (2013-2022-19.9%) Why? There are just too many challenges to bowhunting that don't change no matter what bow you are using!
I can't speak for the rifle or muzzleloader tech increases, but there is no advantage to archery permit numbers if we ban archery technology.
I know you have been against all this BS from the get go. I respect your opinion and you are in that 10% that can proficiently handle any weapon.Wiffy,
Remember I've been against all the same things as you even if it had no impact on me either way.
Sure, Lots of guys have "custom" rifles but damn few shoot them enough to be any good anyway, IMHO.
I agree with what was said above: 10% have them (custom rifles) and 10% of them know what to do with them.
Zeke
I agree with you, but what about the garbage that was shoved down our throats about putting the hunt back in hunting does that not apply to rifle hunting? (Just playing the devils advocate)The numbers suggest one very inconvenient truth. That for the most part tech doesn’t impact success.
It might impact age class.
If I’ve grasped the survey numbers correctly this is how I understand them:
If a hunt has a success rate of 50% around 1/2 of that number is from hunters who are dedicated to their craft guys we call killers. People who just know how to get the job done and do it. They are successful no matter what weapon they carry, you limit them to an open sight 30/30 and they’ll punch that tag cause they are good at what they do.
The other 1/2 is a mixed bag of guys who are lucky/guys who have good equipment but less of a personal drive to put effort in/guys who are chasing upper age class animals and choose only harvest when the hunt meets their personal standards.
When broken down this way it starts to make sense why success rates aren’t impacted by significant changes in technology/restrictions. 1/2 the animals taken are going to killed no matter what. The other half are also going to be killed no matter what, just under very different circumstances.
this isn’t the actual breakdown, but more a generalization that’s intended to illustrate.
Eh it’s still there.I agree with you, but what about the garbage that was shoved down our throats about putting the hunt back in hunting does that not apply to rifle hunting? (Just playing the devils advocate)
Eh it’s still there.
For me personally, this is how I see it. I’m pretty anti government/regulation in general so if I can’t see or be shown how a regulation is impactful it falls under the unnecessary category and is defined in my book as overreach.
Now, if you can show me how regulating a specific tech will bring about significant tag increases/hunter satisfaction improvement/biological stability, well count me in 100%. Just show me how and who benefits by it.
That's easy, but not popular here.Eh it’s still there.
For me personally, this is how I see it. I’m pretty anti government/regulation in general so if I can’t see or be shown how a regulation is impactful it falls under the unnecessary category and is defined in my book as overreach.
Now, if you can show me how regulating a specific tech will bring about significant tag increases/hunter satisfaction improvement/biological stability, well count me in 100%. Just show me how and who benefits by it.
If I can hunt every year in my chosen area I am all over it!Well hell. I think Utah should institute three seasons. Sticks, stones and knives (no longer than 6"). The knife hunt will be the "high quality" hunt. The deer population will explode!
Arizona will be watching carefully for the results. And maybe a little LMAO!
Isn't that kind of the point of the restrictions is to not be as successful? It just hasn't happened with rifles......yet. That's the million dollar question and defies any logic, why didn't they start with major restrictions on a rifle first? Oh that's right it was to put the hunt back in hunting for everyone other than the rifle hunters.When talking about the success rate of archers through the years I don't think you can limit that to technology. MANY things have changed in the last 70 years. There used to be a lot of deer and plenty of good land to hunt. So if I hunt with a long bow and see 20 bucks each day, and you use a compound and see 2 bucks each day, that is not a fair comparison of the technology if we both succeed 19% of the time.
I remember my dad telling me about their deer hunts when he was a teenager. They would drive up to their spot and go sit on their assigned trails. They would shoot the first bucks they saw on opening morning, gut them, drag them to the truck a few hundred yards away, and drive home. They used old 30-30s and military surplus rifles. They were successful with older technology. That doesn't mean I can go hunt the same spot today and be as successful with the same weapons.
No packing. Just set up and shoot from whatever range you're at. Easy button.I would absolutely hate to pack that thing around.
No packing. Just set up and shoot from whatever range you're at. Easy button.
I do believe the same units that was proposed recurved only they proposed rifles with no scopes.Isn't that kind of the point of the restrictions is to not be as successful? It just hasn't happened with rifles......yet. That's the million dollar question and defies any logic, why didn't they start with major restrictions on a rifle first? Oh that's right it was to put the hunt back in hunting for everyone other than the rifle hunters.
I just do the homework and it tells me what to say.Says The StickFlipper!
Right efa?
The only effective solution to limiting rifles is also the easiest, no rangefinders, laser or otherwise. Very few people can accurately guess range beyond 300 ish, which is about the limit of mpbr for most rifles.I’m all for limiting tech across the board. Here is my question though.. Besides just whining about it, how can we actually limit tech on rifles besides just saying no scopes?
-If you say no turrets, people will just use the ones that come standard on the gun for sighting it in.
-Lower power scopes may help but I think people will still take far shots.
No scopes on muzzleloaders was easy because it’s already been done. No electronic sights on bows was easy. What’s an actual restriction on rifles that makes sense?? Because until we can say something more than just “make it fair!” I don’t think anything will happen.
I like that. I also think limiting the magnification of the scopes would be simple. Fixed 6x or lower. It would suck for all the rifle guys with expensive scopes, but join the club.The only effective solution to limiting rifles is also the easiest, no rangefinders, laser or otherwise. Very few people can accurately guess range beyond 300 ish, which is about the limit of mpbr for most rifles.
Sure, some guys will be able to use mildot type reticles and do some math to get close, but it's not fast and it ain't easy.
With All the crying about tech and tags. I would be ok with eliminating bow and muzzleloader tags and make them ALW. Use whatever weapon you want. I am tired bow and muzzleloader hunters getting 1st crack.
You'll get your chance to cry don't worry.With All the crying about tech and tags. I would be ok with eliminating bow and muzzleloader tags and make them ALW. Use whatever weapon you want. I am tired bow and muzzleloader hunters getting 1st crack.
Let's all go back to the rifle that has killed more deer then any THE old lever action 30-30
Fixed 4x scopes would restrict rifles.I’m all for limiting tech across the board. Here is my question though.. Besides just whining about it, how can we actually limit tech on rifles besides just saying no scopes?
-If you say no turrets, people will just use the ones that come standard on the gun for sighting it in.
-Lower power scopes may help but I think people will still take far shots.
No scopes on muzzleloaders was easy because it’s already been done. No electronic sights on bows was easy. What’s an actual restriction on rifles that makes sense?? Because until we can say something more than just “make it fair!” I don’t think anything will happen.
You can fix your crying pretty easily...pick up a bow or muzzyWith All the crying about tech and tags. I would be ok with eliminating bow and muzzleloader tags and make them ALW. Use whatever weapon you want. I am tired bow and muzzleloader hunters getting 1st crack.
I am not the one constantly crying about it.You can fix your crying pretty easily...pick up a bow or muzzy
I could give a 's azz either way. Just sad that gown men act like children. Jealous and petty bitching and moaning over the internet.You'll get your chance to cry don't worry.
So your crying about other people's crying on the internet doesn't fall into that? GotchaI could give a 's azz either way. Just sad that gown men act like children. Jealous and petty bitching and moaning over the internet.
Show me where I have ever whined or complained on MM, I mainly post memes.So your crying about other people's crying on the internet doesn't fall into that? Gotcha
Gotta love the dudes that whine about other people's whining. Is that a lack of self-awareness thing, or a lack of intelligence thing?
Show meShow me where I have ever whined or complained on MM, I mainly post memes.
if I looked I could find 100+ of you.
Gotta love dudes who talk out of their azz
Oh and there is your whining right here in this thread - see bolded above.With All the crying about tech and tags. I would be ok with eliminating bow and muzzleloader tags and make them ALW. Use whatever weapon you want. I am tired bow and muzzleloader hunters getting 1st crack.
That's not whining. Just stating the obvious. Being self aware must be hard for you. Blinded with jealousy and self pity.Oh and there is your whining right here in this thread - see bolded above.
Must be a self-awareness thing for sure.
That's not whining. Just stating the obvious. Being self aware must be hard for you. Blinded with jealousy and self pity.
I think that is a good one that works. Range finders really extended range for sure. I think the fixed scopes or lower magnification might help, but I’ve also heard some of the longest sniper shots being made by 3-9 scopes!The only effective solution to limiting rifles is also the easiest, no rangefinders, laser or otherwise. Very few people can accurately guess range beyond 300 ish, which is about the limit of mpbr for most rifles.
Sure, some guys will be able to use mildot type reticles and do some math to get close, but it's not fast and it ain't easy.
General rule of thumb guys will use 1x for 100 yards, so a 4x = 400 yards, 6x = 600, personally I think it’s stretching it for that optic but I shot a ton of rounds with a 4x trijicon and 300 meters on a silhouette is nothingI think that is a good one that works. Range finders really extended range for sure. I think the fixed scopes or lower magnification might help, but I’ve also heard some of the longest sniper shots being made by 3-9 scopes!
I have savage 308 lever. Killed a few bucks with it and two bulls. The barrel is worn out from hunting rabbits with it. The funnest gun ever!Ya!
Can you Imagine How Reckless Most Lead Flingers Would Be With A LEEVER?
Shed hunting apparatus right there.What about Hypershell Box is this on the tech screen
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For individuals who love to travel, backpack, work, or explore, the Hypershell Exoskeleton can revolutionize the way they experience the world. It can function as an endurance power bank, significantly increase productivity, or serve as a personal sherpa to carry your belongings. With the AI Motion Engine integrated into the device, users can achieve a maximum running speed of 20km/h, conquer a 60-degree slope, carry a steady 30kg weight offset, and generate 10kg of horizontal thrust. The AI Motion Engine can adapt to over nine different sports modes, enabling users to effortlessly adjust to various terrain conditions and speeds. The Hypershell exoskeleton empowers users to expand their horizons and challenge their physical limits with unprecedented speed and agility. watch the video below
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I saw someone on Only Fans using this, their stamina was really impressive.What about Hypershell Box is this on the tech screen
device that combines advanced robotics, ergonomics, and artificial intelligence into a small and powerful form. It enables users to surpass their physical limits, allowing them to climb higher, run faster, carry more, or simply walk with less effort. Equipped with the innovative Omega system, the Hypershell exoskeleton is both lightweight and robust, featuring a central motor combined with eight passive joints that doubles its assist effectiveness and performance/weight ratio.
For individuals who love to travel, backpack, work, or explore, the Hypershell Exoskeleton can revolutionize the way they experience the world. It can function as an endurance power bank, significantly increase productivity, or serve as a personal sherpa to carry your belongings. With the AI Motion Engine integrated into the device, users can achieve a maximum running speed of 20km/h, conquer a 60-degree slope, carry a steady 30kg weight offset, and generate 10kg of horizontal thrust. The AI Motion Engine can adapt to over nine different sports modes, enabling users to effortlessly adjust to various terrain conditions and speeds. The Hypershell exoskeleton empowers users to expand their horizons and challenge their physical limits with unprecedented speed and agility. watch the video below
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Do I need a COR for this lol I might could use it at timesGiving Up The MUZZ Scopes May Not Be That Bad After All!
JUDAS!
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Do I need a COR for this lol I might could use it at times
Ya I seen the top probably don’t need to go backHere's The Way I See It!
Everybody Will Get Them Rather They Need It Or Not & They'll Still Be Out-Running Me To The Top!
The Fan Boys at the expo could really put it to use then.I saw someone on Only Fans using this, their stamina was really impressive.
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