RRCowboyStar
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I am taking a Bull and Buck to a Pope and Young scorer this week, I have never done this before and my question is. Do you Tip them? They are taking the time out of their life to do this.
Thanks, I didn't want to be that guy. I will at least offer.I’ve been a scorer for years and never had anyone monetarily tip me. But, yes they are volunteering to do it.
Official measurer here too. No, a tip is not necessary, nor expected. I’ve had people offer to tip me, or pay for my gas/time, and I tell them it will go straight to the Club as a donation, along with their membership application. What we do is entirely on a volunteer basis. It’s not a rule that one be a member to have an animal officially measured, but I also strongly encourage it. What I won’t do, is measure an animal when the hunter has no intention of recording it or joining. If you want an official score, please support the Club!
This is how I do it also. I'll score something I know won't make it, but I won't score anything if they don't plan on entering it if it does.
No measurer should ever ask for money or accept a tip.
The most recent one I had measured came up just short of the B&C all time book
The scorer said I should enter it in Awards.
I said no thanks.
He seemed a little disappointed.
B&C wants the data......you should have entered it.The most recent one I had measured came up just short of the B&C all time book
The scorer said I should enter it in Awards.
I said no thanks.
He seemed a little disappointed.
B&C wants the data......you should have entered it.
I Think In Certain Words buckhorn Just Told B&C To F-Off
Homer your right.B&C wants the data......you should have entered it.
Didnt mean it an F off.I Think In Certain Words buckhorn Just Told B&C To F-Off!
Didnt mean it an F off.
My All Timers are entered.
I just considered the awards like a consolation prize that I'm not interested in. But now that Homer has corrected me on that I may have to rethink it.
thill, you will not loose your entry for a field photo, P&Y would like a field photo but it is not required. 3 photos are required, side, side and front views. These can be taken anytime, rack or mount etc... Most of the time I take them when I complete a measurement.Make sure you get all the necessary photos before you send it to the taxidermist. Because if he cuts off the head and horns before you have all the right pictures, you might lose your pope& Young entry photos that are necessary.
Exactly. Good for what “cause”?What in the world is B&C doing with headgear data besides some golly-gee-whiz stuff?
Are they drawing management method conclusions, dietary and habitat info, or what?
They sell the harvest locations. That's why they don't accept tips.What in the world is B&C doing with headgear data besides some golly-gee-whiz stuff?
Are they drawing management method conclusions, dietary and habitat info, or what?
Read up on why the B&C records program exists in the first place and you'll understand. it'll make you appreciate what our hunting forefathers did and make you proud of where we are today. we all piss and moan about the deer numbers and other problems with hunting today, but the fact we even have anything to hunt is pretty amazing really.Exactly. Good for what “cause”?
I have read all that stuff. So why do they want more data from animals that don’t book?Read up on why the B&C records program exists in the first place and you'll understand. it'll make you appreciate what our hunting forefathers did and make you proud of where we are today. we all piss and moan about the deer numbers and other problems with hunting today, but the fact we even have anything to hunt is pretty amazing really.
So blue?I have read all that stuff. So why do they want more data from animals that don’t book?
Drawing conclusions from antler size on the biggest deer is the same as making assumptions about the human race from measuring NFL player skulls.
Just to be clear, I have nothing against B&C or any of the fine folks who are official scorers. Measure away; probably the only place you can still use fractions.
I’m one of the old cranks who thinks data for the sake of more data is silly. Hoard ammo not data.
And B&C scores and paychecks and basketball hoops! Fun game what else are nets for?Nets are for fish...
Yes!
yeah im aware of teddy and its history. question remains, what "cause" is being supported by submitting how big a skull my black bear has?Read up on why the B&C records program exists in the first place and you'll understand. it'll make you appreciate what our hunting forefathers did and make you proud of where we are today. we all piss and moan about the deer numbers and other problems with hunting today, but the fact we even have anything to hunt is pretty amazing really.
X 2. and 99% of the animals' guys " just don't want " entered in the book wouldn't qualify anyway. they can lie about the size and nobody can prove them wrong.In the simplest terms, showing that trophy quality is stable indicates a healthy herd and counters the argument that hunting is hurting the health of the species. More entries might indicate a herd that is growing and indicate good management practices, or of course the converse if there are no trophies being entered.
B+C does not want data on trophies that don't make the book.
There is an awards book with slightly lower minimums to get a more detailed look at current harvest trends without waiting for decades to notice a change. Real time, short term data is still helpful.
I don't care if hunters enter their trophy or not. But making up **** to justify your decision isn't necessary. I clearly support B&C and P&Y and believe they are invaluable advocates for our hunting heritage. If you want to honor the animal you take that makes the book, then good for you. In my experience, most who say they won't enter their trophies have rarely if ever taken an animal that qualifies. I measure at least 10 for every 1 that meets the book minimum, and these are the trophies that the hunter thought would make the book. Despite all the hype, most areas produce very few book animals, and most hunters will never lay eyes on a book animal. I am happy to honor the animal that achieves true trophy size, and realize it is very unlikely my meager skills were more important than luck in encountering such a beast. YMMV.
Bill
X 2. and 99% of the animals' guys " just don't want " entered in the book wouldn't qualify anyway. they can lie about the size and nobody can prove them wrong.
Net scores are important because the goal was to establish the best representative examples of species that were expected to be extinct by now. and it's still that way today because high standards are how you separate the best from the rest. and those who are butthurt by that are once again the ones who didn't measure up. literally.
No....he can not.......an om can measure their mother's, lover's, wife, boy friend, cell mate, anyone but their own.....
Nomination by POTUS then senate confirmation......How does a person become an om?
Nomination by POTUS then senate confirmation......
How does a person become an om?
you'll need to apply, if accepted you'll need to go to a training seminar/class and become certifiedHow does a person become an om?
EA, you have a lot of drama in your life. And some of the people you hang with seem a little sketch. The only scoring arguments I’ve ever seen were over doing fractions
yes eel thats part of it, for me its a way to give back to the sportI have a close friend who is an official measurer. I just think he likes to fondle them and talk hunting.
Metric fractions are the hardest for me, but I never tried to score something in Chinese.Are 1/8"s Not Fractions?
I have a close friend who is an official measurer. I just think he likes to fondle them and talk hunting.
Ron is a gem of a human!I had a great experience getting a couple of my animals scored. Ron Rockwell did the scoring for me. He is a great guy and took his time to explain the process. I want to thank everyone for the info.