My proposal, state your age when you respond to this post, I am 35 which means I grew up hunting a second weekend. It also means I was with dad during the 80's when they killed nothing but big deer and there were over 200,00 orange clads in the field. What has changed. In the north suburban sprawl took winter range, a given, also huge chunks of ground became CWMU's which concentrated pressure on small areas killing off herds. I have hunted manti(before it was split down main street into the central and southeast) all my life. Sanpete county is nearly the same as it was in the 80's yet there are no deer, why? No huge loss of winter range. Huge range, no massive winter kills, lots of cats, but probably not more than in the 80's. What has changed is elk. Elk are out competing the mule deer for food, range etc. as will the whitetail as is starts to invade utah. Guys we are arguing about 4 days when the problem is the animal itself. Look at the facts, colorado is killing big deer, but only half of the tags go out as in the past. Shouldn't Wyoming be covered with nothing but huge deer, there is nothing from evanston to cheyene, most of the state is winter range, not a lot of people, is their a population mule deer population boom in wyoming? Call it global warming, climate change, evolution, whatever but elk numbers are booming, whitetail numbers are booming, mule deer numbers keep droping and I have a hunch that the three are connected. So argue about 4 days in the south, but I think the problem has a hell of a lot more to do with biology than bullets! Lastly, us Yahoos who might want to take our kids with and not have them out of school so we want two weekends so they can hunt are doing the right thing, its the dudes that leave the kids home so they can be a "trophy hunter" that have it wrong, trophy hunting is a disease!!!