AWLB,
That may very well be the problem...you havent hunted MT...I have for the last 28 years. Most of the state is OTC tags for residents and 17,000 elk tags for NR, who can also hunt just about anywhere in the state. Those tags are good for ten full weeks of hunting (5 weeks archery, followed by 5 weeks of rifle).
How do you suppose the elk hunting would be in Utah with that amount of pressure statewide?
Think things would be the same on private VS public? Think that kind of pressure would impact the number of mature bulls on public land? What do you suppose it would do to bull-to-cow ratios? How much effort do you suppose it would take for a person to kill a mature bull on public land every year?
Yeah, thats what I thought.
Oh, and for the record, regarding that ranch I hunted. I gained access after trying for 3 years to get on that place. It wasnt easy to get access, but the rancher liked how we hunted. We walked everywhere and only drove on the county roads. We back packed or took all our game out on game carts. We shot does every year, which were way over-populated as well. After the first two years of us hunting there, we were not only welcome anytime, but also invited to stay in their home. It was comical watching other hunters roll in to ask permission and the rancher answer the door telling them, "we're full with hunters for the next week". My wife and I on the largest ranch in the particular county we hunted...real crowded.
I killed one buck in 7 years on that place...did shoot a doe or two each year on B tags though. I prefered to hunt public land whitetails in Western Montana in the timber. Nothing compares to that type of "real hunting".
So you know I wasnt bullchitting about the animals on that ranch...heres a few my wife and family took:
Wifes first buck:
Another one:
Yet another:
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One my Father shot:
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Oh, and one last picture of the ONE buck I shot on that ranch...real trophy, shot it on the last day of the season.
Dont want to bore you with a bunch more pictures...I've an album full of similar type bucks taken on that ranch by my family and a few close friends.