Unions for Biden...

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The unions themselves are for Biden and the Dems, but are the actual union workers for Biden? I’m sure as hell not, and know many union workers that feel the same way. Matter of fact I’ll drop the union in heartbeat if there union benefits is the only that sways their political decisions. Not me, God, 2nd amendment, abortion. Just to name a few things that mean way more to me than some union.
 
Most union members will be looking at who can provide the most jobs and job security and Biden has a big fat zero on that compared to Trump. I am willing to bet that most members will tell their union reps to go suck eggs when they are at the ballot box.

RELH
 
Unions are as important as ever...fact.

From the Cordwainers Unions to what we have today, all serve/served an important function to protect workers rights.

Everything from paid vacation, paid holidays, 40 hour work week, workers compensation, fair wages, insurance, 401k's, pensions, safe working conditions, lunch breaks, 15-minute bathroom breaks, over-time pay, etc. etc....all things that Union supporters fought for, and many died for.

Sad many take those battles/lives for granted, but reap the benefits from them even today.

Labor day means different things to many people, for me, it reminds me that I don't take workers rights for granted. I appreciate and am humbled by those that came before me to ensure a safe work place, a fair compensation package for an honest days work, and the ability to represent labor.

Save your breath, you aren't going to convince me, ever, that Unions are antiquated...pure B.S.
 
In no way am I saying being union is bad, I’ve been on both sides of the fence from owning a union company and paying the union benefits to working for one. If you are a tradesman who’s not in the union you are selling yourself short. Trust me you are not getting the same pay or benefits as a union employee. I’m pro union, 3rd generation. What I am saying is being pro union has very little if anything to do with my political beliefs. So when I get a letter from the BA telling me how and who I need to cast my vote for... the union can stick it up there ass. Way bigger sacrifices and personal beliefs than the union. IMO.
 
I worked for a union company for about 5 years back in the early 70's. Most of the time I was embarrassed for the union. We went out on strike one time because the company fired a guy who was caught sleeping on the job. The company was forced to hire him back. And all jobs were given based on seniority regardless if the employee was qualified or not. There was no incentive for a guy to show initiative. The union even frowned on it. The whole thing was a nightmare for the company and they finally just shut the doors for good and we all lost our jobs. They certainly did some good back in the early days though and paved the way for the future but they went too far.
 
BuzzH said:
Unions are as important as ever...fact.

From the Cordwainers Unions to what we have today, all serve/served an important function to protect workers rights.

Everything from paid vacation, paid holidays, 40 hour work week, workers compensation, fair wages, insurance, 401k's, pensions, safe working conditions, lunch breaks, 15-minute bathroom breaks, over-time pay, etc. etc....all things that Union supporters fought for, and many died for.

Sad many take those battles/lives for granted, but reap the benefits from them even today.

Labor day means different things to many people, for me, it reminds me that I don't take workers rights for granted. I appreciate and am humbled by those that came before me to ensure a safe work place, a fair compensation package for an honest days work, and the ability to represent labor.

Save your breath, you aren't going to convince me, ever, that Unions are antiquated...pure B.S.
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Never said they didn't have their place in the past, just not needed today. Especially when union-ites grieve the most idiotic of things that most people don't give second thought about. Especially when union bosses tell a worker how act or think or vote.
 
BuzzH said:
Unions are as important as ever...fact.

From the Cordwainers Unions to what we have today, all serve/served an important function to protect workers rights.

Everything from paid vacation, paid holidays, 40 hour work week, workers compensation, fair wages, insurance, 401k's, pensions, safe working conditions, lunch breaks, 15-minute bathroom breaks, over-time pay, etc. etc....all things that Union supporters fought for, and many died for.

Sad many take those battles/lives for granted, but reap the benefits from them even today.

Labor day means different things to many people, for me, it reminds me that I don't take workers rights for granted. I appreciate and am humbled by those that came before me to ensure a safe work place, a fair compensation package for an honest days work, and the ability to represent labor.

Save your breath, you aren't going to convince me, ever, that Unions are antiquated...pure B.S.
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You need to add weekends to that list. ;)
 
eelgrass said:
I worked for a union company for about 5 years back in the early 70's. Most of the time I was embarrassed for the union. We went out on strike one time because the company fired a guy who was caught sleeping on the job. The company was forced to hire him back. And all jobs were given based on seniority regardless if the employee was qualified or not. There was no incentive for a guy to show initiative. The union even frowned on it. The whole thing was a nightmare for the company and they finally just shut the doors for good and we all lost our jobs. They certainly did some good back in the early days though and paved the way for the future but they went too far.
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That was well said. I used to spend days in union negotiations trying to explain what would happen if they got what they were asking for. If I was still doing that gig, I would print your post and hand it to them. Then the lawyers would argue about whether I was allowed to do that under the protectionist federal rules.
 
BuzzH said:
Unions are as important as ever...fact.

From the Cordwainers Unions to what we have today, all serve/served an important function to protect workers rights.

Everything from paid vacation, paid holidays, 40 hour work week, workers compensation, fair wages, insurance, 401k's, pensions, safe working conditions, lunch breaks, 15-minute bathroom breaks, over-time pay, etc. etc....all things that Union supporters fought for, and many died for.

Sad many take those battles/lives for granted, but reap the benefits from them even today.

Labor day means different things to many people, for me, it reminds me that I don't take workers rights for granted. I appreciate and am humbled by those that came before me to ensure a safe work place, a fair compensation package for an honest days work, and the ability to represent labor.

Save your breath, you aren't going to convince me, ever, that Unions are antiquated...pure B.S.
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So if you are State or a Federal employee, it’s easy thank a non state , federal worker or a private business to fund your arrogance ?
 
Union's stances are based in "fairness" instead of what's right.

The battle cry of both democrats and union-ites is "HEY! That's not fair!!".
 
roadrunner said:
Never said they didn't have their place in the past, just not needed today.
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About as intelligent as saying that since we won WWII, that the military did have its place in the past, but not needed today...

Like I said, save your breath, you aren't convincing me of your BS.
 
Bluehair said:
That was well said. I used to spend days in union negotiations trying to explain what would happen if they got what they were asking for. If I was still doing that gig, I would print your post and hand it to them. Then the lawyers would argue about whether I was allowed to do that under the protectionist federal rules.
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I reckon management in your and eelgrasses situation must have promoted some piss poor managers.

Negotiations are a two way street and last time I checked, both management and the Union sign the negotiated contracts.

At that time, the contract belongs equally to both Union and Management, OUR contract.

I also get tired of hearing that Unions protect dead-beat workers, not in my experience. What saves dead-beat employees is Managers that don't follow the contract and deal with problem employees.

Finally, any company that folds the tent, they die from the neck up...every single time, no exception. Day to day operations, contract negotiations, hiring, are all reserved management rights. If they suck so bad they cant do THEIR jobs, then don't cry when your company folds due to management incompetence.
 
BuzzH I am not anti union as I feel they have their place and have done good for the working public. I also feel that some unions have gone to far in pushing the agenda of protecting their members who are preforming poorly. A good example is the teacher's union here in CA.
My partner in detectives wife was a middle school, 5th. to 8th. grade, principal. She had two teachers that were 2 years from retiring and drawing their teachers retirement pay. As a result of being protected by their union both teachers became very lazy and were failing to teach their students to the standard that was required.
Principal called them in and counseled them on their obligations to teach at a certain standard so their students can learn and advance to the next grade. The counsel session fell on deaf ears and the two teachers took the stance, "what are you going to do about it".
The principal contacted the superintendent of schools and advise him that she was going to start the paperwork to fire both teachers and replace them with teachers that were willing to teach the students to the required level.
Superintendent advise her to forget it as it would take two years to fight the union and be able to fire the teachers and by that time both would be retired and laughing at her while getting their monthly check.
My two family members who are teachers agree with this as they have seen the union get into long terms fights to protect teachers from firing who should not be allowed to teach anymore.
RELH
 
roadrunner said:
We have labor laws now, duh. Unions are a way to keep some fat cat fatter...
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Right, because nobody ever has repealed a law...

Further, labor laws are the bare bones minimum that keep companies from working employees 16 hours a day for a buck an hour with no bathroom breaks, and shopping at the company store.

There's a lot of things that also need to be negotiated that are not covered in the minimal labor laws...if only obviously.
 
I can say from my view union's just put money in some dudes pocket sitting at a desk doing absolutely nothing other than take dues.

For reference in the company that I work for ALL union mills have closed. Costs were WAY to high
On a average of $8 per hr. To do the same job union vs. Non union. Most of the extra $$ went to the union. They really made no more the workers in my plant after due etc were paid. But guess what when they needed to "down size" they shut 6 plants down and moved the jobs and machines to the plants that were not union. Those workers lost jobs but the union LEADERSHIP was fine. Unions are not needed in most job roles
 
BuzzH said:
Further, labor laws are the bare bones minimum that keep companies from working employees 16 hours a day for a buck an hour with no bathroom breaks, and shopping at the company store.

There's a lot of things that also need to be negotiated that are not covered in the minimal labor laws...if only obviously.
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Agreed, it is the worst in the services industries.
 
BuzzH said:
I reckon management in your and eelgrasses situation must have promoted some piss poor managers.

Negotiations are a two way street and last time I checked, both management and the Union sign the negotiated contracts.

At that time, the contract belongs equally to both Union and Management, OUR contract.

I also get tired of hearing that Unions protect dead-beat workers, not in my experience. What saves dead-beat employees is Managers that don't follow the contract and deal with problem employees.

Finally, any company that folds the tent, they die from the neck up...every single time, no exception. Day to day operations, contract negotiations, hiring, are all reserved management rights. If they suck so bad they cant do THEIR jobs, then don't cry when your company folds due to management incompetence.
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Always HILARIOUS to listen to a government employee talk about private business.
 
BuzzH said:
Right, because nobody ever has repealed a law...

Further, labor laws are the bare bones minimum that keep companies from working employees 16 hours a day for a buck an hour with no bathroom breaks, and shopping at the company store.

There's a lot of things that also need to be negotiated that are not covered in the minimal labor laws...if only obviously.
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Always fun to listen to a guy like Buzz pretend its 1860 again. Like the FS is just on the verge of becoming a coal mine if not for his heroic actions.

Why I dont know how I've ever survived all these years without some dude telling me what time lunch is.

Oh, that's right, I got good at what I do, and get hired because of it. All by myself. And here's a dirty secret, I make more than the union guys do. And i dont have to subjugate myself. I pee when I want. I eat when I want. I start when I want I finish when I want.

But ill leave you back to your fighting the company store???
 
Unions look out for #1. That’s it.
Run by And in step with Democrats for votes, control and power.
Unions have been one of the sole reasons our public education system is what it is today (Average). It could be so much better.
To quote the late great Paul Harvey.

“ Why should anyone aspire to be a common man, an average man? Do you realize what it means to be average? That means you’re the best of the lousiest…and the lousiest of the best. Now, if we demand more and more for producing less and less, while the have-not nations encourage, and inspire, and indeed require hard work and maximum effort – if we deify the common man while they encourage and reward the uncommon ones – well, the end result of such a lopsided race as that is too obvious to require elaboration.”
 
Union bosses are nothing but farmers......their crop is dues payers...

Their goal is a bumper crop and high prices.....nothing really wrong with that...but at least admit it.
 
Burocrat Buzz wants to be comrade Buzz. True blue to the socialist core. Unions cost jobs not create them. Only the union profits from the union workers. Unions price a company out of competition with overseas production and cause them to move away.
 
treedagain said:
Burocrat Buzz wants to be comrade Buzz. True blue to the socialist core. Unions cost jobs not create them. Only the union profits from the union workers. Unions price a company out of competition with overseas production and cause them to move away.
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....unless they are protected by federal Law. Union only bids for state and federal construction jobs.
 
To be fair guys, unions do offer a benefit to employers in some cases.

However I agree that for the most part unions are a big business whose leadership are essentially corporate pimps.

It could be worse. My counterparts in the UK were part of a white collar union. They thought us Yanks were stupid for working 50+ hour weeks.
 
Bluehair said:
To be fair guys, unions do offer a benefit to employers in some cases.

It could be worse. My counterparts in the UK were part of a white collar union. They thought us Yanks were stupid for working 50+ hour weeks.
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Well, I suppose if the same result can be done in 30 hours, then yes, we are stupid to work 50+ hours a week. This "pandemic" has taught us that.

Working just to work to have a conversation piece to brag about how many hours you work is not what a work ethic is. Some are confused that it is...
 
Late 90s we had an apartment job. Had couple boys from Nevada (union)that had heard how much money was being made in the boom and they decided to come show us scabs how it was done.

Gravy apartments. Square, 8ft lid, little cornerbead, smooth walls, textured ceilings.

Me. 1 other taper.

Id do 4 units a week take off half day Friday for hydration. Since it was Salt Lake ID leave by 4 to beat traffic.

Other taper about same.

These 2 boys knocked out 2, combined. They spent plenty of time on break, at lunch every day same time. Lots of time telling folks how good they were, how dumb us scabs were, etc, etc.

Friday we took them for hydration, they were slow as hell but fun guys. We explained to them what they made that week they about cried(piece rate). They thought they had really cranked it up to impress the boss.

Next week they got 3 units, and quit telling my boss how they weren't going to work like slaves for no money.

Moral of the story is, if you want it done right, fast, on budget, hire a scab.

If you want it done right(no denying those guys are pros), slow, and bloated you hire union.

And tell them daily how important they are and how much money they make. Kinda like fertilizing a flower.

Yup. Themes fighting words. But by the time union guys get their hardhats, steel toes, safety glasses on, then have a safety meeting and coffee break, fights over.
 

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