$$$ Utah shed hunting permit is coming

IF people practiced moderation and figured out how to regulate themselves, there would be no need for laws, enforcement, etc. Hence the reason why eel can enjoy his souvenir rock collecting. If 25,000 eel's took to the range in all manner of vehicles trampling, disturbing, and harassing wildlife then it wouldn't be long until someone did something in attempts to slow down the mayhem.

Unfortunately I agree with Wyo Roadhunter and I fear that no laws, armed agents, etc can stop those who are hell-bent on getting their pound of flesh.......or bone as it were.-----SS
 
Arguing against a new law etc for the point that you cannot enforce it is one of the biggest lame dick responses someone can do. People cried the same rhetoric when the shed season law went into effect. There’s a lot of guys out there who received citations and for the most part it seems to be working similar to other wildlife seasons/laws. Sure there’s some poaching going on but the majority follows the laws. Now this is when the lame dicks say “well this new regulation only keeps the honest people honest”. Well no **** dipstick. You change the combination to the safe the bank robber is still going to try to get the money. FFS.

Boo boo I have to have a permit to go shed hunting. You spend that much at the gas station on your energy drinks, a can of that non tobacco chew, and two meat sticks full of nasty nitrates and preservatives.

Boo focking hoo. Don’t like it? Stop shed hunting like the ***** you are.
 
SS,
Just stirring the pot a little.
Back in them days guys it was more common than now days of guys working multiple jobs. Different mind set back then. 👍
 
notdonhunting said:
SS,
Just stirring the pot a little.
Back in them days guys it was more common than now days of guys working multiple jobs. Different mind set back then. 👍
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Hahaha I know. IIRC my dad was full time in the sheep and cows till he was about 40 then the man took him down and he had to get a real job (oil field ). But he did a lot of stuff part time and when he “retired” it was back to cows and sheep hahaha
 
What if you're out on a family picnic and your grandson wanders off and come back all proud carrying a shed antler?
 
SS! said:
They could never convict you eelgrass. The photo would be a crumbled up.
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I took a fresh photo for you. None of these big rocks are native to California. The only reason I don't have a rock from New Mexico or Alaska is because I couldn't get them on the plane.

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The brown rock was thrown in my truck by a Wyoming resident and MM member who shall remain nameless.

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I can remember a time when sheds were just that. You picked them, admired them, put them back down or kept them. That said, the internet came along with people posing with some nice ones. I guess the fascination took off from there.

Here we are today dealing with this. Seems crazy until you factor in the trailers parked in vacant lots with signs out willing to pay whatever for antlers/pound. the collectors I see on my end of the state have Utah plated rigs. Shed hunters could be their own worst enemies.

How about this postulate: What if the genesis of this law is something generated within the shed hunting community? It has been floated around in this post a bit but what if this is a stop-gap attempt to curtail or maybe a benefit from out of state shed collectors from profiting in the state of Utah...from state based collectors?

I've no dog in the Utah fight, but it would not surprise me to learn that this law wasn't borne within the UT commercial shed collection business. Think about it this way: Buzz intimated at this: How cool would it be to charge NR bone collectors an exorbitant fee to collect sheds in UT? Bonus for the state DWF; keep the border jumpers within their boundaries unless they want to pay. I think y'all get my meaning.

Find the genesis of this law. It's not going to be at the state level. An organized entity lobbied this. I will bet it all comes back to the enemy within.
 
I Know you Have!

You Ought to See The BS That Goes On Around Here!

If You Wait Till Opening Day Around Here you Might As Well Stay Home!

It's Beyond Belief What A DRAT Will Do For A PISSCUTTER Shed!

hornkiller said:
Well, bess, I've hiked a $hit ton of miles and found thousands of sheds for those miles!
Now they wanna charge me for those miles it makes me laugh!
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hossblur said:
If sheds were just added to the Lacey act most of the issues around them would be solved.

It would take out the you tubers, IG crowd that turned a fun family hobby into a freaking big buisness.
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man if we just outlawed outfitting or paying to hunt, hunting would go pack to just a fun family outing.

I do not understand why some folks get so bent over people making money on shed hunting, billions of dollars are made off of hunting big game
 
dragonshed said:
man if we just outlawed outfitting or paying to hunt, hunting would go pack to just a fun family outing.

I do not understand why some folks get so bent over people making money on shed hunting, billions of dollars are made off of hunting big game
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Why do people get bent over about outfitters?
 
elkassassin said:
Anybody Know How Many People Were Caught & Cited For Picking The CHIP Embedded Sheds Up That Were Set Out By The DWR Before Shed Season Started?

I'd Like To See The Dollar Amount Brought In With Citations Versus What The DWR Spent On The Operation?

DAX?

JakeH?

Anybody?

Can You Dig That Info Up For Us?

Or Are We Gonna Need A Committee?
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Shouldn’t be kept a secret. Anyone find out anything?
 
willfrye027 said:
Ban the sale of sheds on a federal level. Problem solved. Sheesh maybe this is ONE thing california has done right..
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Banning sheds federally does sound absurd.

Makes me think of the absurdity of the law forcing universities and museums to return Native American artifacts and skeletons. It’s like that’s great at the Face of it. But then I thought about it.

In Europe and Africa etc science can dna test skeletons for study. But Native Americans told Harvard not to test Native American skeletons because they’re related. It’s like hmm. If and only if Harvard does a dna test on a skeleton can they 100% prove that skeleton is related to the tribe claiming they’re related to it. Otherwise there’s a chance they’re wrong.

But anyways so museums etc will return Native American stuff. But I thought to myself why stop there? It seems racist to promote native Americans over Egyptians etc. museums still can keep Egyptian mummies and artifacts that technically belong to Egypt. Most artifacts if they were to follow the logic of the law to giving artifacts to native Americans if that logic was consistently applied the Smithsonian would end up losing everything they have except rocks or things from European settlers and something.

If you ban sheds it’s like why stop there? Why not ban the sell to bison? End all private deer or elk hunter while you’re at it. Bill gates would love it if you also would continue and eventually ban the sell of beef so we can all eat his soy burgers. It’s the largest individual farmland owned for a reason.

But for reals if you ban sheds why stop there? Maybe we could keep going and be like New Jersey and end all bear hunts. If we just would ban hunting altogether that would be a real big stress relief for wildlife if you think about it.
 
SS! said:
There are regulations on rocks and flowers. And you bet your ass if you start commercially harvesting either you could get caught. Over in WY they kept catching Utah contractors coming to get the flagstone for fireplaces etc. it’s a cheap permit to get to commercially harvest. Rarely would the utards get the permits. Always had fun going with my dad to bust them doing it. Watch them stack the rock all day on pallets only to drive back to Utah empty handed. 😂

Found this on a quick search about utard land:

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If it’s a cheap permit then yes I agree with you for collecting flag stone. Really it’s only like $150 for a simple mining claim which is super cheap.

But one pound of flower or plant material is nothing. I’ve never seen anyone consider that as recreation. A rational person would consider something commercial if you’re actually taking a resource to then sale or use in a project to sell. If you collect a hundred pounds of pine branches it’s not a lot. Heck in Europe my roommate from Slovenia said landowners literally would get yearly fees if they didn’t manage their forest land like cleaning up dead fallen wood. Only here in the Us is it illegal to clean the forest haha while in Europe they charge you if you don’t haha.

It’s like I also get the government loves to create or collect revenue selling permits for anything they can. But it’s like if the government let wood collecting be free in certain zones it’d be a helluva way to motivate people to clean the forest naturally. The government sure in hell ain’t gonna manage land like they could if it was privately owned.
 
SS! said:
There are regulations on rocks and flowers. And you bet your ass if you start commercially harvesting either you could get caught. Over in WY they kept catching Utah contractors coming to get the flagstone for fireplaces etc. it’s a cheap permit to get to commercially harvest. Rarely would the utards get the permits. Always had fun going with my dad to bust them doing it. Watch them stack the rock all day on pallets only to drive back to Utah empty handed. 😂

Found this on a quick search about utard land:

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Make fun of utard land. It’s run by democrat governor cox and the rino mitt Romney.

But I would not brag you’re from Wyoming as Wyoming is going full environmentalist pushing wind turbine power and then burying blades in Casper haha the irony of the waste.

But ya why get a cheap permit to collect flag stone when they could just file a mining claim for $150 buckets. That be cheapest cause then theyd only have to do a little labor each year to maintain it. But it is silly you’re bragging about how great it is the state has cheap permits and you take full advantage. It’s pretty damn easy to go to a hill and dig out your own flag stone. Most revenue the state gets is wasted so like that’s great you support more theft by violence. Haha it’s like what 50% of the federal budget or bill goes to the military for more endless war. Good stuff. Can’t wait till they end up starting ww3 probably when the Brics really reduce the use of the dollar. Social security will have to be bailed out in a decade and there’s like 150 trillion in unfunded liabilities. The growth of the state is great huh. Thatcher said socialism or communism works until you run out of other peoples money. Haha crony capitalism works in the U.S. until they can’t force others countries to prop up their debt and the dollar will inflate away.
 
Sparks Shooter said:
IF people practiced moderation and figured out how to regulate themselves, there would be no need for laws, enforcement, etc. Hence the reason why eel can enjoy his souvenir rock collecting. If 25,000 eel's took to the range in all manner of vehicles trampling, disturbing, and harassing wildlife then it wouldn't be long until someone did something in attempts to slow down the mayhem.

Unfortunately I agree with Wyo Roadhunter and I fear that no laws, armed agents, etc can stop those who are hell-bent on getting their pound of flesh.......or bone as it were.-----SS
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That’s weird. The mountains I spend time on don’t have 25000 visitors. Even on the deer or elk hunt maybe, maybe you’d see 30 trucks or vehicles or atvs. Maybe I’d see five camp sites or maybe 10 if I travel a lot of area. Some years there’s new people and more and some years you only see one other pickup or wheeler.

So WTF manage every county and every range as if it’s flooded by city folk when clearly each area is unique and different. It’s like forcing federal law on each state that’s different. Shed hunting at most should be a county dictated issue or a forest service or blm region or actually better yet shed hunting should be dictated by the hunting unit.

Also if hiking for sheds disturbs wildlife it makes no sense to keep national parks or monuments open during shed hunting closures. If people hike zions or Bruce canyon etc they’re distributed wildlife, too.
 
hossblur said:
Grazers pay a fee per animal. What do the outfitters pay?
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It’s not just a fee. Congress recognized and made grazing a right or private property like almost a century ago which is why why have to buy a grazing permit from someone that already has it.

What’s sad is if you look at the Great Basin research center they did a study. They looked at one big mountain allotment and showed by graphs that over the last century cattle numbers have been cut by half and deer numbers have also been cut by half in the Monroe mountain in Utah. Elk was very little, but then in the 1970s elk grew in numbers and then tripled in population over the years.

They summoned it up basically saying the mountain totally changed the last century as it used to have aspen stands with I think a thousand pounds of forage to the acre if I recall as aspen stands still have good forage. But with it predominantly being mature pines there’s way less forage. Besides this they couldn’t really explain why both beef and deer numbers have been cut by half or worse. Ya there’s more elk but that didn’t really offset the huge population loss of deer and beef on that range.

That’s why it’s hilarious the government wants more money for more things. It’s like when the government had little money back in the 1969s deer hunting was actually amazing. Totally different and the government didn’t nickel and dime all the hunters and less tax revenue or fees didn’t affect hunting quality.
 
eelgrass said:
Collecting antlers and horns is just an American tradition. 😁

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You do realize why the buffalo were killed? It wasn’t just hunters, but it was a legitimate strategy of war by the U.S. federal government to wipe out native Americans. Destroying the buffalo destroyed the culture and life of native Americans making them way easier to subjugate into the more modern form of slavery or life. Well I suppose the reservations maybe exempt but today if you don’t work and pay tax you can’t really exist. The Native American way of life was ended sooner by destroying the buffalo and their food source.

What I find absolutely fascinating is the complete intrigue of the U.S. nationally in making more monuments inside of Utah to protect sacred Native American land. It boggles my mind. It’s like clearly most Americans are insane or ignorant. Every piece of land was once ran by native Americans even where the White House is today. Some sites east of Colorado are still known to be sacred Native American sites but nothing is done to make them into monuments by the government. Theres literally YouTube videos showing people going arrowhead and pottery hunting before a subdivision destroys an area. A lot of areas build on Native American camps or old sites but no media attention is given. I thought for sure the one cave in Missouri with Native American paintings and artifacts would have been made a monument but no it sold for like 1.5 million and the government or Native American neither both the site to make it a park or monument. It’s so funny to see the irony of hypocrisy.
 
I spend countless days on the mountain as a wildland firefighter and search and rescue. i come across hundreds and hundreds of sheds a year. i obviously dont pick them up as i am on the mountains for other reasons but one day maybe i will pick up the hobby and return to those areas as a NR regardless of the permits required. As a first responder i am incline to say that the DNR in any state is understaffed so much that they can barely keep poachers from taking the animal before it gets the chance to shed its horns so i doubt they will have the resources to catch all the shed violators i look at it like this even paying the NR fees maybe just maybe they will use the money to hire more officers to catch the poachers that are taking a animals life with out a permit that to me seems like the biggest issue in regards to wildlife and public and where there attention should he focused not on the guy thats letting the animal live to find the rack of a lifetime
 
Utah has much bigger problems than this. What the hell are you letting happen in your state. 100 kids identifying as furries, biting, scratching, clawing , other school kids? The principal is a furry and allows this?

I bet furries don't need shed licenses, maybe that is the angle.

Holy crap.

www.abc4.com

Students walk out of Utah middle school to protest ‘furries’

Several students and adults participated in an hours-long walkout from Utah’s Mt. Nebo Middle School on Wednesday.
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A permit to pick up a shed is beyond retarded. However, shed influencers are to blame for all these new regulations.

I just emailed NDOW here in Nevada to change our May 1st shed season to non residents only since 90 of all elk shed hunters in our state are from Utah. I suggest other NV residents do the same. The downfall of shed hunting stems from Utah and all it's influencers although the douchers that chase the elk around on atv's live everywhere.

I think if every western state banned Utah residents we'd all be better off ;)
 
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BGnight said:
A permit to pick up a shed is beyond retarded. However, shed influencers are to blame for all these new regulations.

I just emailed NDOW here in Nevada to change our May 1st shed season to non residents only since 90 of all elk shed hunters in our state are from Utah. I suggest other NV residents do the same. The downfall of shed hunting stems from Utah and all it's influencers although the douchers that chase the elk around on atv's live everywhere.

I think if every western state banned Utah residents we'd all be better off ;)
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As a resident of Utah I concur.
 

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