Wolf in California?

Good. Hopefully every last one of them migrates to San Fran.


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LAST EDITED ON Dec-11-11 AT 05:36PM (MST)[p]The coyotes coming across the southern border have done more damage to our wildlife than that wolf ever will.

Edit... They both need to be shot though.....And Mt Lions.
 
It was bound to happen. No doubt the DFG will do everything to welcome wolves. With mountain lions protected, coyotes running rampant and now wolves settling in CA, I fear for the states struggling deer, elk, and bighorn herds.

Eldorado
 
"Elk numbers have not been significantly harmed. Data from Idaho, Montana and Wyoming indicate larger herds overall than before the wolf returned. The distribution of some herds has changed, but the states report hunters have equal or greater success harvesting elk."

REALLY! What numbers are they looking at.
 
CA. has too many urban areas even in the Northern part to tolerate wolves very long. They breed too much and when new packs get into the urban areas and start eating the liberal's FeFe poodles, they will be up in arms.

Heck when a moutain lion gets into a Southern CA. urban area now, it is funny as hell to watch all the animal loving liberals panic and demand the lion be removed from the housing areas.

I would love to see some trapper capture about 5 lions and in the middle of the night release them in Golden Gate park. Might have a few granola chewing joggers come up missing.

RELH
 
You should read some of the tree hugging idiot comments at the end of that story in the blogs...........
_____________________________________
"Life's tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid."

-John Wayne
 
Moosey they must be reading Idaho's propaganda pamphlet I just got in the mail telling me to come back to hunt next year because hunting is better than ever, LOL.

RELH +1 on most of your post except the part about no areas they could thrive. There is country between I-5 and the coast from 299 north and some south of there that they could thrive in and some in the Northeastern corner as well. This scares the chit outta me for the blacktail herd in the B zones.

Bill

Look out Forkie, FTW is watching us!
 
Funniest part- where the article defends wolves because they have only attacked 2 people in 100 years. Then they proceed to point out that the wolf was eradicated roughly 100 years ago... Coincidence...??

Irresponsible part (on either the article itself, or wildlife officials in Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming). The article states that populations are actually better...?? Eliminating the wolrf from the equation, I doubt any of these states could claim that their herds are larger now than 10 years ago...??

Would we really expect anything less from a biased, CA-minded article...??


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
"The California Department of Fish and Game, for more than a year, has quietly worked on a plan to prepare for the eventual return of wolves. It expects to release the plan in January."

I already knew this. In fact I think some have already been planted.

If anyone sees a dog running deer the immediate cry is to shoot the dirty so and so. Some of these same people are in favor of wolves. I don't get it.

Eel
 
During my north eastern Cali muley hunt this year, several of the locals i ran into talked of wolves soon being here as a matter of fact. Seemed they are resigned to the situation as there is nothing they can do about it.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
Some time back, i saw a documentary about the place that was raising/holding the wolves that are to be released in California. There was some hint that some had already been "planted". Seemed i noticed a sneer and a smile when the owner of the place was asked if the wolves would effect other wildlife.

"oh no", she said, "they'll fit right in, just like they did hundreds of years ago!"

Goatroper, You got no class dude, none!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
Goatroper said, "thought I saw a wolf carrying a gay mexican baby in his jaws!!"
"they'll do fine.(their adaption)"

Yeah, maybe i do, maybe i don't! In your case i figure it's about way past time somebody said something!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
I guess I'll "ramp up" to a new 6mmBR.....that should work on dogs over 100 pounds, out to about 750 yards anyway.

Bring them on!

"Fathom the hypocracy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove that they are insured.....but not everyone must prove that they are a citizen"
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-15-11 AT 08:09AM (MST)[p]>>Funniest part- where the article defends wolves because they have only attacked 2 people in 100 years. Then they proceed to point out that the wolf was eradicated roughly 100 years ago... Coincidence...??<<

Just to keep the facts on target....

This is what the article states:

******
Biologists say such stories are a gross distortion. There are only two cases in the past century of wolves killing people in North America, and even these are disputed. Death by grizzly bear, mountain lion ? even deer, elk and moose ? is far more common.

"Unfortunately, with wolves it seems many people can't distinguish between mythology and fact," Stone said.


Reintroduced wolves thriving

Wolves were eradicated across the West in the early 1900s by hunters and trappers who saw them as a threat to livestock.
****

The two attacks occurred in NORTH AMERICA, which includes ALL OF the U.S., CANADA and ALASKA. Wolves have never been eradicated from any of them.

The writer no doubt uses the "WEST" to mean the WESTERN states in the lower 48, where the wolf had supposedly been "eradicated."

Actually, wolves from Canada have been crossing into the "West" for decades, especially in the Glacier N.P. area.

And...as of 2001, estimated population figures for the wolf in NORTH AMERICA were:

"There are about 2,445 wolves in Minnesota. Minnesota was the only state in the lower 48 whose wolf population was not completely and deliberately exterminated by government control programs.

There are approximately 7,000 to 19,000 wolves in Alaska and 50,000 to 60,000 in Canada. Wisconsin hosts 266 and Michigan has 216 wolves, with 29 of those living on Isle Royale in winter 1999-2000."

TONY MANDILE
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How To Hunt Coues Deer
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-15-11 AT 09:01AM (MST)[p]Here's a more up to date population analysis from the USF&WS on wolves in the lower 48 outside of the "West:"

*****
Historically, killing by humans and declining numbers of prey - bison, elk, and white-tailed deer in the south and moose, deer, caribou, and beaver in the north - caused wolf declines in the western Great Lakes area. By 1838, wolves were eliminated from the southern portion of the Lower Peninsula of Michigan. Bounties paid for dead wolves began during the 1800s and by the early 1900s wolves were also gone from southern Minnesota and Wisconsin. By 1960, wolves were nearly eliminated from Wisconsin, Michigan (except Isle Royale), and most of Minnesota.

Wisconsin protected the wolf in 1957, after the species was extirpated from the state. Michigan followed suit in 1965 with endangered species protection for the gray wolf. At that time only a few lone wolves remained in the Upper Peninsula, and an isolated population existed on Isle Royale.

In Minnesota, a bounty on all predators, including wolves, continued until 1965. Between 1965 and 1974, Minnesota had an open season on wolves and a Directed Predator Control Program. During this time, about 250 wolves were taken each year and the wolf population was estimated at 350 to 700 animals. The state?s control program and open season continued until May 1974 when the gray wolf gained protection under the Endangered Species Act (ESA).

Wolf Recovery
Perhaps the most important factor leading to wolf recovery in the Midwest was the ESA?s legal protection against killing or harming wolves. Another factor was the ESA requirement that a Recovery Plan be prepared. That Plan focused time, money, and energy on priority conservation actions. Also, wolves rebounded because their primary prey, white-tailed deer, were doing well. Deer herds in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan increased through the 1980s and early 1990s because of mild winters and timber harvests that created prime habitat.

Recovery criteria established in the Recovery Plan include the assured survival of the gray wolf in Minnesota and a population of 100 or more wolves in Wisconsin/Michigan for a minimum of five consecutive years. The Recovery Plan identified 1,250 to 1,400 as a population goal for Minnesota. The state?s wolf population has been at or above that level since the late 1970s. The Wisconsin/Michigan wolf population has been above 100 since the winter of 1993-1994, achieving the latter numerical goal in the Recovery Plan.

With this consistent expansion in numbers and range, the gray wolf is healthy and has recovered in the western Great Lakes region.

Minnesota
During the mid- to late 1970s, the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources (DNR) estimated their wolf population at about 1,000 to 1,200. Then, in the 1980s researchers documented areas that wolves had recently colonized. This suggested that wolf numbers and their range were increasing. The DNR conducted a 1988-1989 winter survey that resulted in estimates of 1,500 to 1,750 wolves. Subsequent surveys in 1997-1998 and 2003-2004 estimated the wolf population at about 2,450 and 3,020 animals, respectively. Minnesota DNR?s most recent survey in 2007-2008 estimated the state?s wolf population at about 2,921 animals. Due to uncertainty inherent in this type of survey, however, DNR concluded that there had been no significant change in wolf distribution or abundance between 1998 and 2008.

Over the last three decades wolves increased their range into north central and central Minnesota. This expansion was due to ESA protection from unregulated killing, high deer numbers, and dispersal of individuals from existing packs. Telemetry studies documented wolves dispersing from the major wolf range in northeastern Minnesota to recolonize new areas and wolves dispersing from the few packs in north central Minnesota that had survived the ?bounty era.?

Today, wolves live in areas with higher road and human densities than previously believed could be suitable for wolf survival, although these two factors still limit the areas suitable for wolf packs. Wolves continue to disperse to areas in west-central and east-central Minnesota (just north of Minneapolis/St. Paul), North and South Dakota, and Wisconsin.

In May of 2000 the Minnesota Legislature passed a bill that set a framework for wolf management. Using that guidance, the Minnesota DNR, in consultation with the Minnesota Department of Agriculture, completed the Minnesota Wolf Management Plan in early 2001. It delineates two wolf management zones and provides different levels of protection in the two zones. The Plan also establishes a minimum state population goal of 1,600 wolves and defers any action on allowing a general public taking of wolves for five years following federal delisting.

Wisconsin
From 1960 to 1975 there were no breeding wolves in Wisconsin. But after the wolf was listed as federally endangered (May 1974), wolves began returning, apparently
dispersing from Minnesota. The Wisconsin DNR started monitoring wolves in 1979 by radio-collaring and tracking wolves, surveying for winter tracks, and conducting summer howling surveys.

When monitoring began, 25 wolves were documented in the state. During the mid-1980s wolf numbers reached a low of only 15, probably due to an epidemic of canine parvovirus. Wild wolves seemed to develop some degree of natural resistance and wolf numbers increased after 1985. Since then, the Wisconsin wolf population has steadily increased. Population estimates between 1985 and 2010 increased from 83 to 690 wolves.

Parvovirus seems to be declining, but is still present in Wisconsin wolves. Lyme disease and mange are also present but their impact, particularly on pup survival, is not well known. Wisconsin DNR monitors wolf movements in the Wisconsin-Minnesota border area, as well as the wolf range expansion southward into the central portion of the state.

The Wisconsin DNR developed a state wolf management plan that was approved in October of 1999. That plan sets a management goal of 350 wolves (outside of Indian Reservations). This goal was exceeded and in 2004 Wisconsin changed the wolf?s status from ?threatened? to ?protected wild animal.? In 2006 the Wisconsin management plan was updated and approved by the Natural Resources Board. The wolf management goal remains 350 wolves outside of reservations.

Michigan
As wolves began getting a foothold in Wisconsin during the late 1970s, biologists documented increasing numbers of single wolves in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Finally, in the late 1980s they documented a pair of wolves traveling together in the central Upper Peninsula. This pair had pups in the spring of 1991. The next year (summer of 1992), Wisconsin and Michigan DNR biologists radio-collared one of the wolves in the only known pack. By the end of 1992, Michigan biologists verified at least 20 wolves in the Upper Peninsula. Since then, except for 1996, numbers have steadily increased.

The 1996-97 late-winter count found wolf numbers at 112, down from 116 documented during the previous late-winter count. That decline appears to have been due to two consecutive harsh winters and a high incidence of mange. In some areas of the Upper Peninsula, deer numbers were reduced by 80 percent due to record snowfalls and low temperatures during the 1995-96 winter. This provided more prey for wolves during that winter but was followed by another severe winter with unusually deep snow in 1996-97 when wolf deaths were high because of fewer deer for prey. Since then, wolf numbers have increased and Michigan DNR trackers estimate that there were at least 557 wolves in 2010.

Michigan completed a Wolf Recovery and Management Plan in December 1997, which was revised in 2008. The Michigan plan recommends managing for a minimum of 200 wolves on the Upper Peninsula. The DNR?s goal is to ensure the wolf population remains viable and above a level that would require either federal or state reclassification as a threatened or endangered species.

Wolves have been residing on Isle Royale, Michigan, in Lake Superior, since the winter of 1948-49. Their population has moved up and down with that of moose, their prime prey. Disease is also believed to be an important factor in population fluctuations. Following a peak of 50 wolves in 1979, the population plummeted to the low teens in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and as of 2010, numbered 19 wolves. Due to their isolation, these wolves do not contribute to federal wolf recovery goals.






TONY MANDILE
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Their master plan is working. The antis here in Cali are praying for the day. I bet our liberal DFG has been working on a plan. We already have a predator that is protected and unmanaged, I guess one more could never hurt.

JR
 
Read the comments from the dumba$$ smog breathing flat landers. These are the same idiots that cheered Moonbeam's gay pride month and believe the invaders belong here.
I have to go puke now.

Norkal


INVEST IN LEAD FOR THE TIMES AHEAD!
 
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-15-11
>AT 09:01?AM (MST)
>
>Here's a more up to date
>population analysis from the USF&WS
>on wolves in the lower
>48 outside of the "West:"
>
>
>*****
>Historically, killing by humans and declining
>numbers of prey - bison,
>elk, and white-tailed deer in
>the south and moose, deer,
>caribou, and beaver in the
>north - caused wolf declines
>in the western Great Lakes
>area. By 1838, wolves were
>eliminated from the southern portion
>of the Lower Peninsula of
>Michigan. Bounties paid for dead
>wolves began during the 1800s
>and by the early 1900s
>wolves were also gone from
>southern Minnesota and Wisconsin. By
>1960, wolves were nearly eliminated
>from Wisconsin, Michigan (except Isle
>Royale), and most of Minnesota.
>
>
>Wisconsin protected the wolf in 1957,
>after the species was extirpated
>from the state. Michigan followed
>suit in 1965 with endangered
>species protection for the gray
>wolf. At that time only
>a few lone wolves remained
>in the Upper Peninsula, and
>an isolated population existed on
>Isle Royale.
>
>In Minnesota, a bounty on all
>predators, including wolves, continued until
>1965. Between 1965 and 1974,
>Minnesota had an open season
>on wolves and a Directed
>Predator Control Program. During this
>time, about 250 wolves were
>taken each year and the
>wolf population was estimated at
>350 to 700 animals. The
>state?s control program and open
>season continued until May 1974
>when the gray wolf gained
>protection under the Endangered Species
>Act (ESA).
>
>Wolf Recovery
>Perhaps the most important factor leading
>to wolf recovery in the
>Midwest was the ESA?s legal
>protection against killing or harming
>wolves. Another factor was the
>ESA requirement that a Recovery
>Plan be prepared. That Plan
>focused time, money, and energy
>on priority conservation actions. Also,
>wolves rebounded because their primary
>prey, white-tailed deer, were doing
>well. Deer herds in Minnesota,
>Wisconsin, and Michigan increased through
>the 1980s and early 1990s
>because of mild winters and
>timber harvests that created prime
>habitat.
>
>Recovery criteria established in the Recovery
>Plan include the assured survival
>of the gray wolf in
>Minnesota and a population of
>100 or more wolves in
>Wisconsin/Michigan for a minimum of
>five consecutive years. The Recovery
>Plan identified 1,250 to 1,400
>as a population goal for
>Minnesota. The state?s wolf population
>has been at or above
>that level since the late
>1970s. The Wisconsin/Michigan wolf population
>has been above 100 since
>the winter of 1993-1994, achieving
>the latter numerical goal in
>the Recovery Plan.
>
>With this consistent expansion in numbers
>and range, the gray wolf
>is healthy and has recovered
>in the western Great Lakes
>region.
>
>Minnesota
>During the mid- to late 1970s,
>the Minnesota Department of Natural
>Resources (DNR) estimated their wolf
>population at about 1,000 to
>1,200. Then, in the 1980s
>researchers documented areas that wolves
>had recently colonized. This suggested
>that wolf numbers and their
>range were increasing. The DNR
>conducted a 1988-1989 winter survey
>that resulted in estimates of
>1,500 to 1,750 wolves. Subsequent
>surveys in 1997-1998 and 2003-2004
>estimated the wolf population at
>about 2,450 and 3,020 animals,
>respectively. Minnesota DNR?s most recent
>survey in 2007-2008 estimated the
>state?s wolf population at about
>2,921 animals. Due to uncertainty
>inherent in this type of
>survey, however, DNR concluded that
>there had been no significant
>change in wolf distribution or
>abundance between 1998 and 2008.
>
>
>Over the last three decades wolves
>increased their range into north
>central and central Minnesota. This
>expansion was due to ESA
>protection from unregulated killing, high
>deer numbers, and dispersal of
>individuals from existing packs. Telemetry
>studies documented wolves dispersing from
>the major wolf range in
>northeastern Minnesota to recolonize new
>areas and wolves dispersing from
>the few packs in north
>central Minnesota that had survived
>the ?bounty era.?
>
>Today, wolves live in areas with
>higher road and human densities
>than previously believed could be
>suitable for wolf survival, although
>these two factors still limit
>the areas suitable for wolf
>packs. Wolves continue to disperse
>to areas in west-central and
>east-central Minnesota (just north of
>Minneapolis/St. Paul), North and South
>Dakota, and Wisconsin.
>
>In May of 2000 the Minnesota
>Legislature passed a bill that
>set a framework for wolf
>management. Using that guidance, the
>Minnesota DNR, in consultation with
>the Minnesota Department of Agriculture,
>completed the Minnesota Wolf Management
>Plan in early 2001. It
>delineates two wolf management zones
>and provides different levels of
>protection in the two zones.
>The Plan also establishes a
>minimum state population goal of
>1,600 wolves and defers any
>action on allowing a general
>public taking of wolves for
>five years following federal delisting.
>
>
>Wisconsin
>From 1960 to 1975 there were
>no breeding wolves in Wisconsin.
>But after the wolf was
>listed as federally endangered (May
>1974), wolves began returning, apparently
>
>dispersing from Minnesota. The Wisconsin DNR
>started monitoring wolves in 1979
>by radio-collaring and tracking wolves,
>surveying for winter tracks, and
>conducting summer howling surveys.
>
>When monitoring began, 25 wolves were
>documented in the state. During
>the mid-1980s wolf numbers reached
>a low of only 15,
>probably due to an epidemic
>of canine parvovirus. Wild wolves
>seemed to develop some degree
>of natural resistance and wolf
>numbers increased after 1985. Since
>then, the Wisconsin wolf population
>has steadily increased. Population estimates
>between 1985 and 2010 increased
>from 83 to 690 wolves.
>
>
>Parvovirus seems to be declining, but
>is still present in Wisconsin
>wolves. Lyme disease and mange
>are also present but their
>impact, particularly on pup survival,
>is not well known. Wisconsin
>DNR monitors wolf movements in
>the Wisconsin-Minnesota border area, as
>well as the wolf range
>expansion southward into the central
>portion of the state.
>
>The Wisconsin DNR developed a state
>wolf management plan that was
>approved in October of 1999.
>That plan sets a management
>goal of 350 wolves (outside
>of Indian Reservations). This goal
>was exceeded and in 2004
>Wisconsin changed the wolf?s status
>from ?threatened? to ?protected wild
>animal.? In 2006 the Wisconsin
>management plan was updated and
>approved by the Natural Resources
>Board. The wolf management goal
>remains 350 wolves outside of
>reservations.
>
>Michigan
>As wolves began getting a foothold
>in Wisconsin during the late
>1970s, biologists documented increasing numbers
>of single wolves in the
>Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Finally,
>in the late 1980s they
>documented a pair of wolves
>traveling together in the central
>Upper Peninsula. This pair had
>pups in the spring of
>1991. The next year (summer
>of 1992), Wisconsin and Michigan
>DNR biologists radio-collared one of
>the wolves in the only
>known pack. By the end
>of 1992, Michigan biologists verified
>at least 20 wolves in
>the Upper Peninsula. Since then,
>except for 1996, numbers have
>steadily increased.
>
>The 1996-97 late-winter count found wolf
>numbers at 112, down from
>116 documented during the previous
>late-winter count. That decline appears
>to have been due to
>two consecutive harsh winters and
>a high incidence of mange.
>In some areas of the
>Upper Peninsula, deer numbers were
>reduced by 80 percent due
>to record snowfalls and low
>temperatures during the 1995-96 winter.
>This provided more prey for
>wolves during that winter but
>was followed by another severe
>winter with unusually deep snow
>in 1996-97 when wolf deaths
>were high because of fewer
>deer for prey. Since then,
>wolf numbers have increased and
>Michigan DNR trackers estimate that
>there were at least 557
>wolves in 2010.
>
>Michigan completed a Wolf Recovery and
>Management Plan in December 1997,
>which was revised in 2008.
>The Michigan plan recommends managing
>for a minimum of 200
>wolves on the Upper Peninsula.
>The DNR?s goal is to
>ensure the wolf population remains
>viable and above a level
>that would require either federal
>or state reclassification as a
>threatened or endangered species.
>
>Wolves have been residing on Isle
>Royale, Michigan, in Lake Superior,
>since the winter of 1948-49.
>Their population has moved up
>and down with that of
>moose, their prime prey. Disease
>is also believed to be
>an important factor in population
>fluctuations. Following a peak of
>50 wolves in 1979, the
>population plummeted to the low
>teens in the late 1980s
>and early 1990s, and as
>of 2010, numbered 19 wolves.
>Due to their isolation, these
>wolves do not contribute to
>federal wolf recovery goals.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>TONY MANDILE
>
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>How To Hunt Coues Deer

Hey Tony... Here is another FACT...We already have Mt Lions which are protected and unmanaged in this state and a serious coyote problem. Another super predetor like the wolf would be detrimental to our already suffering herds.... so to be honest I dont really give a chit.... Laws, Facts, Other BS be damned... If I see one it will die.
 
I moved to Idaho from No Cal. I know both states. Don't worry those wolves will starve to death in that state as there is nothing to eat. Well then again there are a few cows and horses!
 

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