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does anyone know anything about the deakins ranching for wildlife buck tag for colorado? thanks in advance
deakins ranch colorado??
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TheGreatWhiteHunter
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-08 AT 07:39AM (MST)[p]Here is the web site for the hunting operation on the ranch
http://www.walzguideservice.com/about.html
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http://www.walzguideservice.com/about.html
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-08 AT 07:39AM (MST)[p]And here is a link to the Ranching for wildlife info of the ranch through the Colorado DOW
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well scratch that idea off. but thank you very much for the info. those prices are rediculous.
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What prices? Resident Colorado deer tags are too expensive?
If you are a non-resident you aren't eligible for RFW properties anyway so you have no complaint old timer.
If you are a non-resident you aren't eligible for RFW properties anyway so you have no complaint old timer.
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the prices they charge for hunting on their ranch. when you do draw the tag. $4000 for a four day buck hunt no thanks
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Rem308
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I agree! That is to much to pay for a deer hunt !
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toughshed
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Old timer, you still aren't getting it. You don't have to DRAW the tag the outfitter sells you. Only the public tags have to be drawn and non-residents aren't eligible.
Deakins Ranch is a RFW property. Get online and learn about it.
Deakins Ranch is a RFW property. Get online and learn about it.
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$4000 for a muley hunt is cheep these days.
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Oldmossback: lets get a few things straight.
1)are you a Colorado resident?
2) If you are and put in for the RFW tag and get drawn, you don't pay the $4000! Last I heard it was a $25 charge to hunt the ranch if you draw. Not guided or lodging provided, but you can hunt the ranch basically free.
3) If you are a nonresident, and think you can get a guided mule deer hunt on a private ranch that has trophy potential much cheaper, think again.
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1)are you a Colorado resident?
2) If you are and put in for the RFW tag and get drawn, you don't pay the $4000! Last I heard it was a $25 charge to hunt the ranch if you draw. Not guided or lodging provided, but you can hunt the ranch basically free.
3) If you are a nonresident, and think you can get a guided mule deer hunt on a private ranch that has trophy potential much cheaper, think again.
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There is NO CHARGE to hunt a ranching for wild life property.
You have to be a resident and if you draw a ranching for wildlife tag then you can hunt the property during the season the tag is good for. You do have to sit in on the rules and regs of the ranch speech but after that you can hunt NO CHARGE.
If you are not a resident or just would rather buy a guided hunt then yes you can buy a tag from the ranch which is what they recieve in turn for allowing RESIDENT public hunters to hunt the ranch if they draw the tag.
The tags the ranch sells have their own special seasons and are ONLY good for the ranch. Example they can elk huny in August with a rifle or during the rut with a rifle. The tags allow any weapon to be used during the time period the DOW has set for the ranchonly for the Tags the ranch sells.
The tag yo draw for the Ranching for Wildlife draw has a different season and is subject to a a specific weapon.
I have had several friends draw elk tags on RFW properties and the PAID hunters come in and do their hunts before you do so some times the bull or buck your dreaming about that took 10 years to draw is dead. Not that there is not aniamls available just the PAID hunters get first crack.
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You have to be a resident and if you draw a ranching for wildlife tag then you can hunt the property during the season the tag is good for. You do have to sit in on the rules and regs of the ranch speech but after that you can hunt NO CHARGE.
If you are not a resident or just would rather buy a guided hunt then yes you can buy a tag from the ranch which is what they recieve in turn for allowing RESIDENT public hunters to hunt the ranch if they draw the tag.
The tags the ranch sells have their own special seasons and are ONLY good for the ranch. Example they can elk huny in August with a rifle or during the rut with a rifle. The tags allow any weapon to be used during the time period the DOW has set for the ranchonly for the Tags the ranch sells.
The tag yo draw for the Ranching for Wildlife draw has a different season and is subject to a a specific weapon.
I have had several friends draw elk tags on RFW properties and the PAID hunters come in and do their hunts before you do so some times the bull or buck your dreaming about that took 10 years to draw is dead. Not that there is not aniamls available just the PAID hunters get first crack.
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ok ok I get it. but can someone please answer my question of why the number of points needed to draw that ranch is so much lower than other RFW ranches??? is there less deer?
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When did you ask the question?
I have no direct info why it would only take 4 points to draw since other ranches take many more, but I suspect it may be because of the terrain. I have to be in the mountains to enjoy Colorado hunting. This ranch is rolling hills and sage with an elevation of 6000-6400 ft. It certainly looked like they had some decent bucks, so I can't think of any other reason. They also may be a recent addition to the program??
txhunter58
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I have no direct info why it would only take 4 points to draw since other ranches take many more, but I suspect it may be because of the terrain. I have to be in the mountains to enjoy Colorado hunting. This ranch is rolling hills and sage with an elevation of 6000-6400 ft. It certainly looked like they had some decent bucks, so I can't think of any other reason. They also may be a recent addition to the program??
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toughshed
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Because the trophy potential is not there...the big ones are gone by the time the public hunters come in, generally.
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TheGreatWhiteHunter
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>To put it bluntly the place
>sucks. Look at the type
>of animals they have taken
>from there. There are a
>lot better OTC units available
>for 0 points.
Well put.
AGAIN ALL THE PAID HUNTERS COME IN FIRST AND SHOOT ANYTHING WORTH SHOOTING AND EVEN THEN THE PAID HUNTERS DONT ALWAYS GET EVEN A DECENT ANIMAL FOR THE MONEY!!!
THE PUBLIC HUNTEERS DO NOT GET THE SAME OPPORTUNITY'S JUST THE SAME LAND.
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>sucks. Look at the type
>of animals they have taken
>from there. There are a
>lot better OTC units available
>for 0 points.
Well put.
AGAIN ALL THE PAID HUNTERS COME IN FIRST AND SHOOT ANYTHING WORTH SHOOTING AND EVEN THEN THE PAID HUNTERS DONT ALWAYS GET EVEN A DECENT ANIMAL FOR THE MONEY!!!
THE PUBLIC HUNTEERS DO NOT GET THE SAME OPPORTUNITY'S JUST THE SAME LAND.
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I am a booking consultant here in Colorado and have worked with Mitch Walz and his family for about 5 years and let me tell you, they run a very good operation up there. His hunts are not physically demanding, but you will see lots of game and its a migration hunt, so it is different than most hunts. His mule deer hunting is fantastic. I have sent alot of people his way and everyone comes away happy. We consistently harvest deer in the 170 and above range and see some that are alot bigger. You won't find an outfit that will work as hard as these folks and the hospitality is second to none. His hunts don't even start until November and he continues to hunt until the end of January. For a fantastic deer hunt with guaranteed tags, the price isn't that bad. And he does guide the residents that are lucky enough to draw a tag. The reason his ranch is easier to draw a tag for is that he has alot more animals later in the year concentrated on his property so the DOW gives him alot more tags, therefore making it easier to draw a tag.
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Finally, you get a decent answer to your questions!
As far as those who say it sucks, sorry, but 25 to 30" deer from 170 to over 200" don't suck in my book. I wouldn't hunt there due to the sceenry, but they take some nice deer.
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As far as those who say it sucks, sorry, but 25 to 30" deer from 170 to over 200" don't suck in my book. I wouldn't hunt there due to the sceenry, but they take some nice deer.
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The Walz's are great folks no doubt about it. Its the quality of animals I was referring to when I said it sucks. 170 buck I think is closer to the high end of average. Again look at the quality of animals they have pictured. Not my cup of tea nor is the hunt style but its a good hunt for a someone looking for "nontrophy" type animals. txhunter, the term "nice" I guess is relative.
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I just spoke to mitch walz and asked him myself, he said there is no way the public hunter could be getting the paying hunters left overs because the public hunters 10 day ranching for wildlife season comes before his paying guided hunters season. There is no way the paying hunters could go in and shoot all the decent bucks because they hunt after the public hunters. Those are almost his exact words.
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-17-08 AT 11:58AM (MST)[p]If that's true that is contrary to most of the RFW properties regarding public/private timing. Public buck season at Deakins in 2008 is Oct 24-28 and Nov. 26-30.
Now do you really believe up to 80 paid hunters all wait till after November 30 to hunt?
Now do you really believe up to 80 paid hunters all wait till after November 30 to hunt?
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-17-08 AT 11:47AM (MST)[p]They do every year. His hunts are migratory, which usually translates into later in the year. His hunts for deer do start in mid November for the rut, but he usually doesn't start hunting his elk until the end of November and those hunts go through the end of January. I sent him 3 hunters just before Christmas and sent him 2 more after the first of the year. This is a great place for me to have, it allows me to book hunts later in the year for people looking for something, without having to follow the state set seasons. You are right, you might not be able to get a deer every year that scores over 200", but there aren't alot of places around that consistently put 200" deer in the books where you aren't paying alot more than 4000.00. Look at Three Forks Ranch, you will pay 8000.00 for an elk hunt, and shoot elk that are no bigger than 250-300 class bulls. Even the eastern plains, where I book alot of hunts each year, doesn't consistently produce 200" deer, even though there are a few taken every year out there, the norm is 180 to 190. Out of the 22 deer hunts I booked for 2007 only 3 scored over the 195 mark, the biggest being a 199 5/8, taken just on the other side of Pikes Peak, the rest being 175 and above and all for 5000.00 or less.
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im not saying that there arent people out there who will pay that kinda money for a buck all day long. but not the average labor working guy like me. I have killed lots of 24" -27" deer on my own back home but dont really know where to go yet here in colorado.
