WTF Utah DWR

[snowman22250]

I hope I am understanding this correctly.??

The Fish and Game has stated that the reason for making you choose a region to General Archery Deer hunt in, is so that it will relieve pressure on the opening week of the "Southern Unit" general archery deer hunt ??

OK, now I read an article in the Salt Lake Tribune stating, "the total cap on general Archery Deer is 16,000 hunters, and that there is no cap per region. Meaning, it could be possible to get 80% of Utah General Archery Deer hunters applying for the southern unit.

If most the hunters go for the south, and they sell out(16,000 tags), how many hunters are going to choose to hunt the north, or eastern, or central regions?. Sounds to me like there is going to be alot less pressure in the other regions, NOT so much the south. Of course it might all even out once it goes into the state wide hunting mode after the first week of having to hunt your chosen region.

SO<ALL in ALL,
If I understand this correctly, the fish and game wanted to relieve some pressure on the southern unit hunters by making you choose a region and having to hunt that region the first week, but then the DWR doesn't limit a cap on the southern unit tags. How is this going to stop the same amount of pressure(people) wanting to hunt the southern unit the opening week??

Not making any sense to me.

It sounds like the DWR is setting itself up for another disaster.



Snowman

 

[isayNUNYA]

It is already a well established fact that the UDWR, its empolyees/Biologists are moronic dim wits.

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"I needed a cheesy signature saying like everyone else"

 

[Cam@strawberry]

LMAO nunya! thats classic truth right there!

Wildlife population control specialist

 

[Feleno]

this office photo, circa 2008 might explain a few things

 

[thebuckstopshere]

Funny chit.

To explain: This year the ONLY reason you have to choose your region is so that the DWR can find out where everyone chooses, and then cap specific regions NEXT year (2010).

 

[swbuckmaster]

is that guy in the photo Jim Carpowitz with dwr,or is it one of the dumb azzes on the wild life board. no wonder they never answer their e-mail

Archery is a year round commitment!!

 

[spotit1st]

Sweet pic, snowman don't worry Archers aren't going to choose the Southern unit that belief that archers are alot of the pressure down there is not true. Alot of archers hunt where they live, if anyone understands archery hunting it takes a little more work than some steady sticks and a gun that can reach 600 yds in one day. Most archery hunters scout a few days and then pattern there critters then attempt to kill with a very low kill rate. This takes time and alot of time that people don't have to take off of work!!! I know alot of hunters that hunt after work and then hit it hard on the weekend! If you go down South on the archery hunt all you will see is a bunch of small town hicks opening weekend like myself hunting out of trucks early in the morning and later in the evening, except I don't hunt out of my truck! After the opener the roads collect dust until firewood season opens up.

 

[ColoradoOak]

 

[2buckridge]

Now thats funny righ there Feleno. Just another to put on the long list of Utah DWR'S WTF'S!

 

[ktc]

snowman,

I gotta agree. I first thought they capped the regions to spread pressure around. Well, I think you are right how you read it. Simply amazing that bunch came up with this brilliant idea. They should have left it alone, or done something with some teeth.

Oak,

Dont you know on MM you just say the same chit over and over?;-)

 

[AWHOLELOTTABULL]

All I can say is it's gonna be quiet on the NE unit this year. It just might be the year to smoke some great deer!


It's always an adventure!!!
www.awholelottabull.com

 

[BigBucksNBulls]

Yes you have to choose your archery this year but it is only for the first two weeks and then it is open statewide and I think it is a great idea it will releave some of the pressure off those popular areas and probly help the deer herds out in the long run!

 

[TFinalshot]

For the guys who say it's a bad idea, what's the solution?

I'm curious with all the guys in utah that like to hunt isnt the issue really too many people and not enough deer/opportunity?

What is the solution if not limits and registration which leads to more intensive management.

I'm not saying what they are doing is right, i'm just curious to find out from the experts what is the "right" thing to do, or if you were the dear god what would you do about hunting pressure and deer numbers and limited areas to hunt?

 

[bobcatbess]

WITH THEM POSTS BEING MADE!!!

IT MIGHT BE A WHILE BEFORE ANY OF US PULL A TAG FROM THE UDWR!!!

SEEMS LIKE THEIR NEW STUPID BATTLE PLANS PISS ME OFF EVERY YEAR & THEN I ENHANCE MY DRAWING ODDS BY POSTING THE TRUTH & WHAT I THINK!!!

GEEZUS!!!



"I'M NOT COMPLAINING,I'M TELLING IT THE WAY IT IS,SOME OF YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,THATS O.K.,SOMETIMES THE TRUTH HURTS & YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT,OR YOU FIND OUT WHAT THE FACTS ARE,STAND UP & VOICE YOUR OWN OPINION,THIS IS STILL AMERICA THE LAST TIME I CHECKED"!!!

REMEMBER!!!

THERE'S ONLY ONE bobcat!!!

 

[bobcatbess]

HEY AWLB!!!

I HOPE THE SMOKIN YOU'RE THINKIN ABOUT IS SOMEWHERE BESIDES THE NE REGION???

I JUST WASTED A BUNCH OF GAS MONEY THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS HERE IN THE NE REGION AND IF THERE ARE ANY BIG BOYS LEFT THEY MUST BE INVISIBLE!!!

OH,DID I TELL YOU???

IT WAS REAL QUIET THIS LAST YEAR ON OPENING MORNING,THINK THERES BEEN ANY IMPROVEMENTS IN THE HERD SINCE THEN???

THERE WAS STILL 1000'S OF TARDS IN THE PUMKIN PATCH THOUGH!!!

"I HATE ORANGE"!!!

"I'M NOT COMPLAINING,I'M TELLING IT THE WAY IT IS,SOME OF YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,THATS O.K.,SOMETIMES THE TRUTH HURTS & YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT,OR YOU FIND OUT WHAT THE FACTS ARE,STAND UP & VOICE YOUR OWN OPINION,THIS IS STILL AMERICA THE LAST TIME I CHECKED"!!!

REMEMBER!!!

THERE'S ONLY ONE bobcat!!!

 

[wileywapati]

Alright get this straight!! We have 16,000 bowhunters statewide plus the DH participants. About 5000 bowhunters hunt the southern region on the opening. Conversely there are over 17,000 rifle hunters in the southern region on the opening of the rifle hunt.
UNDERSTAND???
No Biology, No crowding, whining southerners that think they own all public land south of I-70 plain and simple.

 

[slcmuley]

since there is no cap on any region i think all they are trying to do is get a count on each unit. yeah there were other ways they could have done this but who knows what the truth is when it comes to the udwr. they seem to do things that dont make much sense. southern hunters probably complained about their hunting spots getting over hunted. im glad to see they are limiting tags in the 5 sub units that need the help. i wish they would have changed the entire state to the same type of micro management. i dont see it gettin any better in utah until they do. back to the NE for my family we are seeing more deer every year but nothin over 2 yrs old. at least they havent started any doe hunts in our area yet

 

[snowman22250]

Guys,

I'm not a southern unit guy, I'm a Northern and Northeastern. As so my only concern is:

The general archery tags have been selling out faster and faster every year. Furthermore, I'm concerned there will be guys like me applying for the northern region, that might not get a tag because of the "total cap" system and not a "region by region cap" system.

See my point. Northern Utah always has leftover permits, as so I have always had an opportunity to get a general tag because it's the least desirable unit in the state. NOW, there could be a possibility that I wont get my Northern tag because of the "total cap" system.

That PIC of UDWR is a classic..You would think it is the same today.

Snowman

 

[sneekiest_sneeker]

Why dont we go back to a region cap with the statewide archery? Its been said time and time before "Archery hunters typically stay close to home." Ya some people venture but people in southern utah have figured out how to WHINE louder than anyone else.

I say we turn the management back over to the dwr and get rid of RAC meetings. They have scientific facts on what makes a healthy herd, And with a healthy heard there are more/healthier animals which in turn makes bigger bucks. plain and simple.

9 out of 10 people at the RAC meetings dont have any clue what they are talking about. The dwr makes suggestions for a healthy herd and they get shot down because people that dont know anything are there.

for example southwest desert elk. mangaged 1 bull for 1 cow. 1 bull can have no problem and be happy to breed 30-50 cows. so with one on one herd you get alot of "worthless" animals a bull ranging in age from 1 to say 8 is worthless because he isnt big enough to compete for the cows so all he does is take up space and feed. Why not replace him with a cow that can reproduce so you have a well rounded "HEALTHY HERD."

Correct me if I'm wrong but we need to manage for a herd not just bucks and bulls cause if we have a herd the big bucks and bulls will come along with more opportunity!!!!