Would you?

YELUM · Sep 16, 2014

Kill the buck on the left or right, if you saw these two bucks together with a legal tag in hand? Would a collar sway your opinion?

Yelum

YBU

Tristate · Sep 16, 2014

If I knew I was hunting under wild conditions and not breaking any game laws the buck on the left is getting smoked. Knowing that a deer has been handled as part of a scientific experiment doesn't effect his viability as a free ranging deer. And killing the deer is actually part of any true deer study currently being done on wild populations. I am part of nature and people's scientific models have to take me into account if they are to be accurate.

Thank you for the pic. It is an interesting topic.

DW · Sep 16, 2014

I hope yer sitting down tri....I agree with everything you just said! But for me personally (and in pulling a trigger it's always personal) I'd let the collar walk knowing how expensive it is to put one on a deer and the continued knowledge gained with that collar being active for me personally I shoot the buck on the right and I'm happy happy happy! By the way yelum what's the gps coordinates on that pic? Too soon? Just razz in ya I feel yer pain brother been there!

Tristate · Sep 16, 2014

By the way I would try to contact the agency who collared the deer and provide them with the collar and as much post mortem info as I could because I recognize the importance of the science.

DW · Sep 16, 2014

Killed a collared cow one time....didn't see the collar behind a tree...did the same gave em their collar back. ..kept the ear tag! Lucky #7, well for me anyway, not so much for her!

jaketbs · Sep 16, 2014

Awesome pic Yelum. I'd personally take the one on the left.

Bullseye · Sep 16, 2014

My nephew was with hunting elk and he shot a cow with one also! The cow was so old that the number you call on on the collar was no longer working! I called f&g and they just laughed because that number had not been used in 8 years!

sageadvice · Sep 16, 2014

Yeah, the buck on the left... or either if there was just the one.

Those bent over tines reminds me of a Buck that, i think it was, Founder had posted. The one he was hunting and another guy slipped in and took right in front of him. It too had bent points on the right side but more of them, not the same buck.

Nice pic!

Joey

"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"

Cass · Sep 16, 2014

LAST EDITED ON Sep-16-14 AT 04:01PM (MST)[p]I'd go for the right one.
One of the left has too much horn for me. I'd start shaking and miss.

-Cass

archerycrazy · Sep 16, 2014

I really like both of these bucks and have seen them each on the hoof, but I would take the buck on the right. I'm not swayed by the collar or my estimate of score. I just prefer the look of his frame over the taller buck. If either buck's twin steps out during my hunt this year, then I am burning my tag.

elkun · Sep 16, 2014

the one on the right . he looks a bit older ,

Abiggerfish2fry · Sep 16, 2014

LAST EDITED ON Sep-16-14 AT 06:16PM (MST)[p]I would have to pass on both! I am to used to shooting fork horns! That's why I will fill my strip tag with the biggest forkie I can find!

eelgrass · Sep 16, 2014

>I would have to pass on
>both! I am to used
>to shooting fork horns! That's
>why I fill my strip
>tag with the biggest forkie
>I can find!

Are you related to overton???

I wouldn't hesitate shooting the collared buck, but in this case I like the other buck better.

Shooting a banded duck is cool. A banded deer, not so much.

Eel

Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.

huntin50 · Sep 16, 2014

Both good bucks. I like the width, look, and browtines on the right. I would shoot the collared buck if i liked him the best.

sageadvice · Sep 16, 2014

For you guys that score bucks with confidence, i have a question.

That left buck, his right antler. Is that small point coming off his G-2, his G-3 or is that just an extra? To me, both G-3's looking equal, very long and high scoring, but i'm not a official scorer and not sure of the rule in this case? Thanks!

Joey

"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"

Gazelle · Sep 16, 2014

The left one, he's banded!

YELUM · Sep 16, 2014

Sage, the island has a propensity to kick out inlines, whether on the G2, G3, or between the forks. I'd go out on a limb and say short back fork, and big inline on this one. I've thought about this one and discussed it with friends for several weeks. Maybe Bohntr(Roy) could make an Official statement.

Yelum

YBU

HiMtnHntr · Sep 16, 2014

One on the right. He's got brow tines and is a little wider since we're picking one or the other. I didn't see the collar until it was mentioned. One on the right looks older to me.

YELUM · Sep 16, 2014

If my memory is correct, they are 2 years apart in age.

Yelum

YBU

sageadvice · Sep 16, 2014

yelum, thanks for the reply and better view of that side. I think you are right, at least a good strong chance of being so.

Any other opinions?

Joey

"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"

archerycrazy · Sep 16, 2014

I'm also interested to know whether it would be counted as a small right back with a big inline or a big back with an extra. He started out looking normal...what happened? Here's a picture of the buck from earlier this year.

nfh · Sep 16, 2014

Neither, I would hold out for a whitetail!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HayZeus · Sep 16, 2014

The "extra" would be off his G2. His G3 is the long tine. Id shoot that buck. Collar makes no difference for me.

sageadvice · Sep 16, 2014

archerycrazy, nice pic, really adds to yelums thread and our little side topic.

From your pic, looks obvious that he was going to be a mainframe 4X4 instead of having the big in-line on that right side. Probably doesn't matter in the end, he likely scores as yelum speculated but i wonder just when a point is scored a branched G-1&2 or a G-1 w/extra and then the in-line. I know "it's all about that base"

, grey area down there just above the main beam but that's not enough for my inquiring mind so i best had do some digging, try and find out the exact rule.

Joey

"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"

BrowningRage · Sep 17, 2014

I'm far more partial to height rather than width... So definitely the buck on the left for me... Plus, his forks are so deep in the back, it's unreal...

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24

YELUM · Sep 17, 2014

Sage, this pic with lines, might give a better idea as to how he'd be scored. When scoring a G3, you would draw an imaginary line along the G2, where the base of the G3 intersects. As you can see, the long point never intersects the G2, but really comes off the beam

Yelum

YBU

T264 · Sep 17, 2014

>Sage, this pic with lines, might
>give a better idea as
>to how he'd be scored.
> When scoring a G3,
>you would draw an imaginary
>line along the G2, where
>the base of the G3
>intersects. As you can
>see, the long point never
>intersects the G2, but really
>comes off the beam
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>Yelum
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>YBU
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The only reason I would question the weak back fork / big inline theory would be to compare his left side G2 with where the right inline is. Looks to be a big fork, small inline when taking that view.

T264

Circuits · Sep 17, 2014

Smoke the buck on the right!

YELUM · Sep 17, 2014

The left side G3 clearly comes off the G2. Most of us only care about gross score anyway, so the only difference on gross score would be from the 3rd mass measurement.

Yelum

YBU

BOHNTR · Sep 17, 2014

YELLUM's interpretation is correct.....long abnormal point on right side.....G3 is 4-5" in length on the same side.

BOHNTR )))---------->

archerycrazy · Sep 17, 2014

Here's a hard horned pic of the tall buck.

DSC08793 by gao_er_fu_qiu, on Flickr

sageadvice · Sep 17, 2014

Thanks guys!!

Joey

"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"

BrowningRage · Sep 18, 2014

If the Island bucks have rubbed, I better get out there and check them out..!!

What a great thread.

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24

archerycrazy · Sep 18, 2014

They have all rubbed.

nripepi · Sep 18, 2014

Beautiful buck. I would definitely shoot the one on the left, no questions asked.

Is it possible that the buck could be scored one way in velvet then another out of velvet? I don't think that will be the case in this instance (I do agree that it is an in-line and not a G3), but I bet he looks closer to calling it a G3 than an in-line hard horned because the main beam won't be quite as thick.

BOHNTR · Sep 18, 2014

If measured correctly, there will be no difference whether or not velvet is present in terms of identifying typical and abnormal points. However, my experience has been it is much EASIER to determine baselines, common bases, etc., when there is no velvet present.

BOHNTR )))---------->

tyef350 · Sep 18, 2014

Did the buck with the broken cheater rub it off??

jester · Sep 18, 2014

I got a few if both never a neck radio collar. That would be cool
like as pintails with a radio transmitter. I got one 21 yrs ago!

sageadvice · Sep 18, 2014

jester said,"I got a few if both never a neck radio collar. That would be cool like as pintails with a radio transmitter. I got one 21 yrs ago!"

Jester, you're baked dude. Go to bed!

Joey

"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"