Claude Dallas is walking!!

I remember the story well. The book entitled "Give A Boy A Gun" by Jack Olsen is still a great read for those who don't remember or would like more info.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-05-05 AT 09:58AM (MST)[p]This is a tragedy in itself. Let a man go for killing two human beings in cold blood. None of us really know what happened that day, but I know the one that crossed the line was the one that pulled the trigger. Claude Dallas should at least spend the rest of his life behind bars. Sunday will be a sad day for the Sportsman and outdoor community.

Bigole5
 
Terrible idea to let him out. I haven't figured out why IDFG hasn't been more vocal about this issue. One again any crime with wildlife in it is a slap on the wrist.
 
Big Ole 5,

Like you said you weren't there---so how do you know it was cold blood? Only one witness-he testified-the jury gave him manslaughter--he did his time. I imagine he learned his lesson and the fish cops have too. A lot of other stuff went on that finally came to a head on that day.
I firmly believe in the second amendment and I don't care who it is I will protect myself for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness guaranteed to me by the United States Constitution.
 
Anyone know where to get a copy of the movie? I would like to see it. I am familiar with Ian Tysons song. I was only 10 Years old when this happend.

WB
 
"I firmly believe in the second amendment and I don't care who it is I will protect myself for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness guaranteed to me by the United States Constitution."

I agree 100% however having a lawdog point his piece at you after you've broken the law,doesn't mean you get to shoot the lawdog & call it selfdefense.
People who lawfully defend themselves generally don't have to be chased over half the western US to get their side of the story.
I don't think its a bad day for sportsman because Claude was a poacher & a killer. He certainly wasn't a sportsman.
Just my humble opinion.
foxtrot4elk
 
Claude was another DumbA$$ murderer and poacher.

The only bobcat thinking some so called sportsman need some
therapy for calling this self defense!!!!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-05-05 AT 11:56AM (MST)[p]I don't in anyway condone what Dallas did and I don't know all the facts, but I have faith in the criminal justice system. The man was convicted of manslaughter, not murder, which tells me something. IMHO, he served his sentence, now he should be allowed a chance back into society, simple as that.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-05-05 AT 12:11PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-05-05 AT 12:10?PM (MST)

Longun,

I to enjoy my second amendment right. I do not however plan on using it to gun down the law. this is what Claude Dallas did. Like it or not this guy killed two men in COLD BLOOD! After he shot them in the chest he finished them with one shot in the head from a .22!!!!! is this not COLD BLOOD?

Bigole5
 
Claude had a reason for the headshots though,remember? "I didn't want them to suffer" well gosh wasn't that thoughtful. I know he did his time but head shootin' lawdogs regardless what led up to that point is not manslaughter.


foxtrot4elk
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-05-05 AT 01:14PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-05-05 AT 01:13?PM (MST)

He was tried,convicted and done his time,now he is free, society should let him live the rest of his life and leave him alone! And 338boy the death penality for manslauter? Sure glad you not a judge!...Greg
 
FYI, here is the song.

Got to like the song anyway....
"Bobcat Logic"....


Claude Dallas
(Ian Tyson, Tom Russell, 1986.)

In a land the Spanish once had
Called the Northern Mystery,
Where rivers run and disappear
And the Mustang still lives free,
By the Devil's wash and the coyote hole
In the wild Owyee Range,
Somewhere in the sage tonight
The wind calls out his name.
Aye, aye, aye.

Come gather round me, buckaroos,
And the story I will tell:
The fugitive Claude Dallas
Who just broke out jail.
You might think this tale is history
From before the West was won,
But the events that I'll describe took place
In nineteen-eighty-one.

He was born out in Virginia,
Left home when school was through.
In the deserts of Nevada,
He became a buckaroo.
He learned the ways of cattle.
He learned to sit a horse.
He always packed a pistol
And he practiced deadly force.

Then Claude he became a trapper.
He dreamed of the bygone days.
He studied bobcat logic
In the wild and silent ways,
In the bloody runs near paradise,
In the monitors down south,
Trapping cats and coyotes,
Living hand and mouth.
Aye, aye, aye.

Then Claude took to living all alone
Out many miles from town.
A friend, Jim Stevens, brought supplies
And he stayed to hang around.
That day two wardens, Pogue and Elms,
Drove in to check Claude out.
They were seeking violations
And to see what Claude's about.

Now Claude had hung some venison,
Had a bobcat pelt or two.
Pogue claimed they were out of season.
He says, "Dallas, you're all through."
But Dallas would not leave his camp.
He refused to go to town.
As the wind howled through the bull camp,
They stared each other down.

It's hard to say what happened next.
Perhaps we'll never know.
They were going to take Claude in to jail,
And he'd vowed he'd never go.
Jim Stevens heard the gunfire,
And when he turned around,
Bill Pogue was fallin' backwards.
Conley Elms, he fell face-down.
Aye, aye, aye.

Jim Stevens walked on over.
There was a gun near Bill Pogue's hand.
It's hard to say who'd drawn his first,
But Claude had made his stand.
Claude said, "I'm justified, Jim.
They were going to cut me down.
A man's got a right to hang some meat
When he's livin' this far from town."

It took eighteen men and fifteen months
To finally run Claude down.
In the sage outside of paradise,
They drove him to the ground.
Convicted up in Idaho,
Manslaughter by decree,
Thirty years at maximum,
But soon Claude would break free.

There's two sides to this story.
There may be no right or wrong.
The lawman and the renegade
Have graced a thousand songs.
So the story is an old one.
Conclusion's hard to draw.
But Claude's out in the sage tonight.
He may be the last outlaw.
Aye, aye, aye.
 
I remember the story pretty well. If Dallas hadn't given them the keepers behind the ear, he most likely would have walked.

Funniest part about the whole story was the hero status and "great outdoorsman" persona he was portrayed as. He got caught leaving a 7-11 with soda and twinkies. Wasn't quite living off the land like his followers claimed.

He did his time and is free now. That's just the way it is.

JB
 
Big ole 5,

When I get a coyote caught in my trap I put a .22 behind his ear so he doesn't suffer anymore.
 
Comparing human life to a coyote in a trap .. hmmmmmm WTF is wrong with this picture?

Next thing you know you will be advocating those pervy priests weren't doing anything illegal to those hundred of thousands of kids.

Scary thing is people who think Dallas is a hero and idolize him are allowed to carry firearms and hunt.

This world is a trip.
 
I think that says it all longun. That is how he looked at the lives of those guys. Just walk up and finish them off like a coyote in a trap.

Bigole5
 
I remember this case the movie and the whole 9 yards. Most of you guys just think he was a murderer. There was alot more to this then just claude snuffing them behind the ear. The Older law man I believe it was Pogue harrassed this man relenlessly. It was documented in Court and other officers testified to the fact that he would brag about how much he enjoyed messing with ole Claude. There were alot of variables involved here and a officer constantly intimidating a individual and harassing him is not right. Does it justify murder Hell no but something went down that day and there were alot of variables leading up to it.

Here is a Simple fact about C;aude. He never ever applied for parole. He did his time he was sentenced to. Why did he not appply for parole so the state or feds could have no say in his life. The man did his time for the crimes he committed. Now he is a free man. If he breaks a law then send him back up state he is gonna have every lawdog on his ass in this world guys.
 
Highdesert, There is not a damn thing wrong with a game warden harassing a piece of $hit poacher like Claud Dallas. If you poach be prepared to be harassed. Here's a fact, Claud Dallas is nothing but a poaching, murdering, piece of $hit *****. He tells everyone that he won't be taken alive, then what happens, the cops have him surrounded and he surrenders like a typical French soldier. To bad he had to be such a **** and give up, it would of saved us tax payers a lot of money and we wouldn't be waisting our time talking about such a piece of $hit like Claud Dallas.
 
What is funny is there use to be a person on this website that called himself Claude Dallas until I asked if he was the sob that shot 2 wardens in Idaho years ago. I havent seen a post from him since...
What really suprises me is those in this thread standing up for him!!! I dont have much faith in the justice system, he should have been strung up 20 years ago, manslaughter, give me a break! One thing is for sure, ol Claude will one day stand before his Maker and really get what he deserves.
Jeff
 
ok, so far most of ya have part of the story right. i ain't condoning what he did, but i'm glad he got out. it's the way the system is supposed to work. he had two trials. the first one convicted him of 2 counts of first degree murder. and he was arrested after a shootout with the cops. not in a convenience store buying twinkies. he got shot in the heel during the shootout. anyway, seems like he even got the death penalty. then he escaped from prison and was gone for awhile. when they caught him again he was working as a waiter in a high dollar eatin' place in the L.A. area. he got a new trial on appeal and that is when he was convicted of manslaughter. i can't remember if it was a jury trial or if it was decided by a judge, hey it was a long time ago, but i do remember that whoever decided his guilt said that if he had never shot em behind the ear with a .22 that he woulda walked. the woulda been able to buy the self defense deal he claimed. anyway, the reason for it was, was that one of the wardens was a prick with a capital P-R-I-C-K. nobody liked him. not even the guy that got killed with him. the whole thing is a bad deal, but from reading about it all when it was happening, it was pretty apparent that dallas wasn't the only bad guy involved. he's wierdo for sure and it's too bad the 2 guys for killed. but there were a lot of other ways to take care of the situation than the way the 2 wardens decided to do it. oh yeah, i am a big believer in the death penalty too. but i also believe a man's home is his castle, even if it is a tent, and if you invade it uninvited, don't whine if ya get shot. get on the net and search up what you can find about the guy. there is a lot more to it than just him shooting 2 guys.
 
took my own advice and did some searching on the dallas deal. i was wrong. he had one trial. don't why i was thinking 2, but it was a long time ago. but here is an exerpt from the site i looked at. it's some interesting stuff, if you get into it.

"Jury foreman Milo M. Moore, a retired shopkeeper, said Dallas might have been freed outright if he hadn't used his .22 caliber rifle. Moore said testimony about Pogue's reputation as a tough-guy lawman influenced the verdict."

"We felt it was self-defense up to a certain point," Moore said in a recent interview. "Had he not shot them in the head, it would have been a different verdict."
 
Bill Pouge was unfit to wear a badge. He pushed the wrong guy way too far and got his ticket punched. Elms is a different story, he drew the short straw and had to partner up with Pouge. Too bad that it happened, but Dallas served his time and now he is a free man. End of story.
 
I have the utmost respect and faith in criminal justice system.


Respectfully,

OJ Simpson.
 
> Highdesert, There is not a
>damn thing wrong with a
>game warden harassing a piece
>of $hit poacher like Claud
>Dallas. If you poach be
>prepared to be harassed. Here's
>a fact, Claud Dallas is
>nothing but a poaching, murdering,
>piece of $hit *****. He
>tells everyone that he won't
>be taken alive, then what
>happens, the cops have him
>surrounded and he surrenders like
>a typical French soldier. To
>bad he had to be
>such a **** and give
>up, it would of saved
>us tax payers a lot
>of money and we wouldn't
>be waisting our time talking
>about such a piece of
>$hit like Claud Dallas.

Your lack of vocabulary capabilities proves your ignorance and closed-mindedness. Yes, he shot two lawmen, therefore he was justly given a sentence. Anybody that doesn't stand up for themselves is gutless. His way of life was threatened and obviously his buttons had been pushed too far. Yes, his reaction to Pogue's pushing was extreme, but who can say that they wouldn't have done the same in his place? He didn't kill the only eyewitness (Jim Stevens), so obviously he's not just a random murderer and not only that, but he was the only one that could testify against him, but he let him alone. I don't know the guy and he may not be worth his salt, but he has a right to life.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-07-05 AT 01:18PM (MST)[p]I can't believe all the people that are defending someone like Dallas. He was caught red handed poaching bobcats. A couple bobcat pelts are worth a good sized chunk of change. Are we suppose to believe that he wasn't poaching bobcats for $$$? Sure the warden was a prick but that doesn't give Dallas the right shoot two wardens and them to finish them off exicution style.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could all shoot everyone that hasn't been fair to us and then claim it was self defense? How many of you think someone should get out of prison early for good behavor after escaping from prison?

I bet this guy gets in more trouble sometime in the next few years. IMO we should have taken care of the problem the first time.
 
the reason dallas was only convicted of manslaughter was because pogue was a jerk to every person he met. the defense lined up dozens of folks who had bad dealings with pogue. one story i read was that they had over 100 who were ready to testify, but just used the most blatant examples of this guy being a jerk. he'd even pistol whipped a 12 year girl at one time, before he got himself killed. what dallas did was wrong, no 2 ways about it. but pogue, and elms to a lesser extent, had a real bad habit of pulling guns on folks and threatening anyone who questioned anything they did. like someone said earlier on this post, he pushed the wrong guy too far. the other game wardens didn't even like the guy. until he got killed. then he was hero to em. dallas was a wierd guy. a draft dodger, a poacher, a lot of things that ain't too cool. but trapping bobcats ain't a capital offense. you give em a ticket and go on. the whole deal got started when a rancher wanted dallas off his lease (it wasn't private land as has been alluded) so he could trap bobcats himself. there was some discussion as to dallas locking cattle off of some water and other things, too. like i said, he was wierd. but if pogue and elms had handled it differently, professionally, we never would o' heard o' claude dallas.
 
Afterburn, What ever. Claud has a right to life? What about the two guys he murdered? He was given a justly sentence? Let me tell you about justice in Idaho, When I was growing up, my best friends oldest sister was murdered by her boy friend, that piece of $hit served 8 years now he's a free man. I guess he has a right to life too and she doesn't.
 
"Cold Blood" was obvious if you consider the facts, not the movie or the story. Killing someone over a game violation? I don't think he has learned anything..........hopefully the fish cops win next time.
 
I remember that story. Didnt they make a movie that made the game wardens out to be the bad guys? If i remember the same made for TV movie they scewed the blame towards the wardens. Makes you wonder what really happened. Its a shame any of this happened.
 
I agree those wardens had a right to life. But it's too late now. They should have given Claude the death penalty right there, not leave him in jail for years. The death penalty is the only way to resolve murder. But putting people in jail for years and years is a waste of their time, and our money.
 
RLH;

Since you stated that Claude is going to go to work with USO, does that mean you will no longer champion his case and are no longer glad he got out.

RELH
 
rhel, you cops always stick together, don't ya. i don't "champion" dallas. he did a bad thing. before and after he shot the wardens, too. he ain't a good guy. but if this pogue guy wasn't such a jerk for years prior, he would have got the death penalty, or at least life. and if the wardens would have handled this little case professionally, we would never have heard of claude dallas. the other game wardens hated pogue. nobody would even work with him. what i'm saying is that if you're gonna go around treating people like crap your whole life, don't whine when somebody shoots ya. dallas did a long time in jail. as far as the courts and our justice system are concerned, he paid up.
 
OK everyone, RLH has just given you permission to shoot everyone that has ever treated you like crap and been a jerk to you. Are you kidding me? Because a fishcop treated him badly for years you are justifying the shooting? Man you need help. Did you get picked on a lot in school? I hope not or else those bullies had better sleep with one eye open. One time I got pulled over by an arrogant cop for speeding, guess what I did -- I signed the ticket; guess what I didn't do -- I didn't shoot him! What happened in your life RLH that causes you to have no value for human life?

Rut
 
you just don't get it do ya, rut. pogue treated people like crap for years. he got shot. his entire past got put on trial. everything he did that was bad, real or percieved, got put on trial. because he was such a jerk, he got put on trial, not dallas. it's how legal defense works. and dallas got off with manslaughter. that's how the system works. if pogue would have done things in a different way, if he'd have acted professionally his entire career, intead of being a complete and model jackass, we'd have never heard of this whole deal. i think justice was served. dallas did his time. pogue was a jackass for years and paid dearly for it, and probably got elms shot in the process. from all i've read, the elms guy was pretty well thought of by most folks. but nobody, including his warden peers, liked pogue. and there was so much animosity toward him that it ruined any chance the state had of getting a first degree conviction. just because someone wears a badge doesn't elevate them above the rules. pogue thought it did. dallas was, and probably still is, a wierd guy. probably doesn't deserve to be above ground. but because this "fishcop" was a jerk, dallas is still kickin'.
 
I can see it now.............."Dallas-Darner Big Buck and Bobcat Hunting Services", outside sales by RLH.

JB
 
Woulda and shoulda don't matter. The man was convicted of a crime and served his time.
-Raptor
 
Poachers always refer to investigation and prosecution as "harassment and persecution". To a poacher every game warden is a jerk. During my lifetime I have heard many lawless types bravely state that they wouldn't hesitate to shoot a warden. I think if you are caught poaching you give up all credibility regarding the behavior of the wardens that caught you. If you don't want to be treated badly by game wardens then don't poach. Better yet, do as I have and join them in their difficult pursuit of lawbreakers. Catching a poacher is almost as rewarding as bagging a giant buck.
 
The bottom line is, this monster executed 2 human lives as if they were his catch. There is no way a person should walk after that!
 
Cowkiller, I know you got giant bucks hanging on your wall, but I don,t remember seeing any poachers. You must of thrown them in your back yard for your dog to chew on.
 
I hope something was learned from what took place.Does the F&G
still go in and try to strong arm a know crazy that is packin' or
do they take a few minutes to think it out.Something must be wrong with the training of the Gov.strong arms.. RubyRidge
Waco....and the rest of there screw ups! RIMROCK

<IF IT BLEEDS WE CAN KILL IT>
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-05 AT 10:47PM (MST)[p]RLH, you are out of your mind, aren't you?!!!! First you defend Darner till the end. Darner is a pleasant fellow to speak to, and i do know the guy, but that doesn't change the fact that he's a poacher. Just like it doesn't change the fact that Claude Dallas is a cop-killer. He put a bullet in the heads of 2 game agents while they were on the ground. What kind of degenerate does that?

From your postings, it's obvious that you have anti-government or anti-establishment views on life. Got to tell you again and probably for the last time "where there is smoke, there usually is fire". Think about that for a bit, if you are capable of thinking rationally. Dallas & Darner weren't singled out by some conspiracy ridden government that wanted to do those guys in. They chose to break the law, all by themselves. Darner decided to poach and then enter a jaguar skull into B&C as a cougar, as well as that big mule deer he bought. Dallas made the decision to kill 2 guys risking their lives to enforce game laws for the rest of us.

From what i have seen from your past postings, you sound like one of those guys who will never get it. You go through life wasting the airspace between your ears.

By the way, D13'er, that was a good comment about the Darner & Dallas guide service.
 
i know this is gettin' way off subject, but can't pass it up. buckslayer, you ever hear of the lacey act? or any of the spotted cat laws? do you understand how much trouble you can get in for having a jaguar skull? if you have a jag skull, you're probably looking at prison time. even if you go mexico or south america and kill one, legally, it's a felony to bring any part of it across the border. where are you gettin' this stuff? if it wasn't so absolutely absurd, it'd be funny. you're gonna hafta show me on this one. not the first time i've heard it either. but it ain't true. oh yeah, it should be public record too, show me all of Kirt's alledged convictions, while you're at it. like Doc Holliday said as he was dien' "this is funny". and once again, justice was served with dallas. he did the time he was ordered to, per his conviction.
 
here is the deal. I lived in IDaho at the time. close friend with an Idaho fish and game conservation officer.

Calling Pogues death murder is like a whore claiming rape. yes hes dead, but who knows what he said, acted like, or threatened to Dallas? maybe he had his gun drawn, safety off, and maybe not. we will never know. but if he went in with gun drawn and threatened to shoot, an over-reaction should not be confused with murder.

Before anyone thinks I am defending dallas, forget it he is scum. but we dont know what happened. I also believe the jury does not know what happened.

But I can see two assholes itching for a fight haveing a fight. And I dont shed a tear for either.

Regarding death penalty: So long as even 1%, or even 0.1% of people on death row get absolved by DNA proof that the wrong guy was convicted, how can anyone condemn that 1% to a wrongful death? Think about it.

As a tradeoff, I do believe CDallas should stay in jail, off the streets, and do life for his execution style acts. But we werent there to know whether it was murder or self defense that caused the first shots.

Let God sort that one out.
 
I'm not defending ole Claude .
But I've heard the same story alot of you guys have , this game warden was a miserable prick and had threatened to kill Dallas if he ever caught him poaching . Witnesses testified to this and that's how his lawyer got him out of the murder conviction . Most game wardens you meet anymore are usually nice enough guys , there's still a few out there that could end up in western folklore .
Again , I'm not defending Dallas , but I've heard the other side to this story .

Maybe now that he's out he'll get a computer and enlighten us all .
 
ALL RIGHT STURGESS!!!

WE NEED THE 'COLD HARD TRUTH'!!!

DOES ANYBODY HAVE IT???

YA,I KNOW CLAUDE KNOWS BUT WILL HE ADMIT IT???

FAT CHANCE!!!

ITS CLEAR TO ME CLAUDE DID NOT WANT TO SEE OR DEAL WITH POGUES EVER AGAIN!!!

I'M NOT SAYING HE WAS RIGHT!!!

I DO BELIEVE WHEN SOMEBODY IS PRESSURED ENOUGH THE OUTCOME WILL NEVER BE GOOD!!!

DO YOU THINK POGUES DRAWED HIS GUN FIRST???

THINK ABOUT IT,THE TIME COMES AND YOU DRAW THE GUN,ALL I CAN SAY IS WHEN THAT LINE IS CROSSED YOU BETTER BE WILLING TO CARRY IT OUT,SCARE TACTICS DON'T ALWAYS WORK,I'M NOT STICKING UP FOR CLAUDE,HE KILLED 2 bobcats,IF I'D OF BEEN THERE IT MIGHT OF BEEN 3 bobcats,WHO KNOWS,MAYBE CLAUDE WOULD OF BEEN DEAD & ME IN JAIL!!!

I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT POGUES,I'M NOT JUDGING HIM CAUSE I NEVER KNEW HIM!!!

WILL SOMEBODY THAT KNEW POGUES PERSONALLY,PLEASE COME FORWARD & GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT THIS GUY WAS LIKE,NOT JUST RUMORS!!!

I'VE HEARD BAD ABOUT CLAUDE ALSO,WHAT OTHER THINGS WAS HE DOING AS HE LIVE OFF THE LAND???

THE ONLY bobcat WANTING THE HARD COLD FACTS ON BOTH SIDES???
 
YOU WANT THE FACTS? WHEN YOU GET TO HEAVEN LOOK AROUND AND SEE IF EITHER POGUE OR DALLAS IS THERE WITH YOU< OR WITH YOU WHEREVER YOU ARE AT THAT TIME!!!!!

I doubt if anyone alive knows what really happened.

Jamie
 
RE: Is bobcat going to hell ????

O-kay I've tried avoiding this thread, but I couldn't resist the idea of Bobcat arriving at the pearly gates & the discussion that might fallow,

Q. St. Peter
Well bobcat how many tune-up did you dole out on your fellow man ?
A. Bobcat
Only those who needed one, or drove a V-10.
Q. Peter
Well bobcat do you still want a chute plan ?
A. Bobcat
Nope, I'll just settle for a pair of wings.
Q. Peter
what is it that your still wondering bobcat.
A. Bobcat
Just all the correct GPS coordinates ?
Q. Peter
So were do you think you belong in the afterlife bobcat ?
A. Bobcat
In the happy hunting grounds above Duchesne Co... but please Peter just tell me if I'm going to heaven or not.
A. Peter
You'll be the only bobcat wondering if you need a hand basket or not }>
 
RE: Is bobcat going to hell ????

B_F_E_

THANKS FOR CLUING ME IN!!!

I THOUGHT I MIGHT BE ASKED: 'AND HOW DO I KNOW YOU ARE THE ONLY bobcat'???

AND TO THINK,I'LL BE TRADING MY CHUTE PLANE IN FOR WINGS,ISN'T THAT LIKE TRADING WINGS FOR WINGS???

FROM UP ABOVE I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE ALL THE GPS COORDINATES!!!

GO AHEAD AND SCATTER WHATS LEFT OF ME AMONG THE LAST OF THE MOHICHANS (MULEYS)!!!

THAT IS WHERE I WANT TO BE!!!

AND WHEN ST. PETER ASKS ME WHY I NEVER TOOK A 35"+ BUCK DURING A LIFETIME I'LL JUST TELL HIM IT WASN'T LIKE I NEVER TRIED!!!

B_F_E_,YOU SURE ARE WHAT I CALL A BEST FRIEND WITH THAT HAND BASKET COMMENT!!!

SO,I GUESS THATS THE ONLY WAY WE WILL EVER KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT CLAUDE,SOME OF US WILL MEET HIM AND SOME OF US WON'T!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WONDERING WHEN B_F_E_ WILL GET HIS HALO???
 
RLH, you are way out there. You defend Darner like you really know him. Well, let's start by looking at Darner's last problem with the law. He was guiding a hunter in a different unit than he should have been. They then shoot at a mechanical bull elk. Guess what? It was a sting and they got busted. If you want me to, i will post the link that shows the court minutes where Darner was suspended from guiding in Colorado. Don't you get it yet RLH (Real Lost Hunter)? He's had a long history of ethical issues. Then he moves down to New Mexico to start over again, big surprise?!!!

As far as the entering of the jaguar skull as a lion skull, there are others out there who can back me up on that. You can even contact Boone & Crockett and ask. I wish you would, but you won't, because you're afraid of the truth. Boone and Crockett doesn't just pick on certain guys for no reason. It's really not a conspiracy! Your imaginary bubble would be busted if you found out that people aren't always as clean as they tell you.

As far as the law goes, I can guarantee you that i have more personal knowledge and understanding in regards to Federal, State and Local Laws than the average person. I'll leave it at that.
 
i know all about the mechanical elk. so does everyone else. he paid his fine and went on. but c'mon, show me the jag stuff. c'mon man, where is it? and no 3rd party crap, show me. ya can't. ya know why? it didn't happen. i'm the one that's out there and you're the one that will believe any rumor that anyone tells you as long as it fits your belief. and as the far as the law goes, i don't care. i do what i know is ok and don't worry about how much you say you know. but c'mon dude, show us the jag stuff, we all wanna see it. and again, no rumors, no bs, no "a buddy told me", none o' that crap, show me the real deal. i know every word of everything that happened between him and b&c. so show me this myth. it ain't there. if it was he'd went to prison. having jag parts is real live crime. it's not one guys word against someone elses. ya go to prison for it. so show me. the clock is tickin'. oh yeah, one more time, dallas did his time. justice was served. no matter how much "you" know about the law.
 
You can lead a horse to water, and in your case you won't drink. Since you want to clear Darner's name, you should take the initiative and contact B&C on your own. Call the man in charge (Jack Reneau) and ask him for the skinny on Darner. I can guarantee you that he'd be happy to speak to you about this. Then when you get your "not guilty" verdict from B&C, you can post on this site for everyone to see. I know you won't call because the truth would hurt.

Funny though isn't it? Darner get's booted out of B&C, then Safari Club. It was definitely a conspiracy, wasn't it? I've got an idea. RLH, maybe you can start a hunting club with yourself as president. You can accept membership from as many outlaw hunters as possible, since it seems you idolize criminals anyways.

Justice! I wonder what you know about justice. You strike me as one of those guys who still believes O.J. didn't kill two people either. It must have been the cops who set him up also, just like they did Darner.

Also, you may want to attend night classes to help you with your grammar. "he'd went" is not proper English. Enough said.
 
DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE CLAUDE IS???

OR SHOULD I SAY,IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE WORLD THAT KNOWS WHERE CLAUDE IS???

JUST WONDERING IF HE'LL GO BACK TO OLD HABITS OR MAYBE TRY SOMETHING ELSE???

NOW WE'VE GOT DARNER PULLED INTO THE CLAUDE THREAD!!!

I THINK THESE TWO ARE ALOT THE SAME,THERES A WHOLE BUNCH WE DON'T TRUTHFULLY KNOW ABOUT BOTH OF THEM!!!

TRY NOT & GIVE ME THE GRAMMAR LESSON,THE LAST GUY THAT TRIED IT COULDN'T EVEN SPELL GRAMMAR!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WAITING FOR MORE 'FACTS' ABOUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED,I GUESS ONLY THE GUY ABOVE KNOWS FOR SURE???
 
whatsa matter? can't find it to put it on here? c'mon, you can do better than this third had crap. can't ya? oh wait, maybe ya can't. because it ain't there. blah, blah, blah. heard it all before. i heard that b&c hired dallas to teach ethics lessons.
 

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