X-Zone Archery Deer

KingCrow

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I'm one of the many max-point holders in California right now. After I'm successful in burning my points, I'd like to draw a good archery tag in one of the X-Zones.

The only area that I'm very familiar with is X-12(A20); what other areas would you recommend for a quality deer hunt? There are plenty of deer in X-12 but I would like to hunt a unit with a better chance of finding a big buck.

I saw recently in Eastman's a huge California archery buck; any idea which unit that could be? It kind of looks like X1...
 
KingCrow

I would stay where you are, there are some monsters in X-12, A big thing with X-12 is you have to get back in the woods aways, get away from the roads 5 to 6 miles and you will see some good bucks. The Mt above Twin Lakes which you have to be a mile away from anyway has some nice bucks, Plus you can draw that about every other year or so. Just my opion.

Good luck Tim
 
no offence but if you can't find a big buck in an area you know well, what makes you think you'll find a big buck in an area you don't know at all....?
 
I guess it would depend on how well you say you know A20. X9A, or A16 would probably be your next best bet.

What do you plan to burn your max points on?
 
>no offence but if you can't
>find a big buck in
>an area you know well,
>what makes you think you'll
>find a big buck in
>an area you don't know
>at all....?

Manny15-

No offenSe, but if you've spent enough time on a computer to post 5,544 times in an internet chatroom and still haven't found the spellcheck button then what makes you think would have enough time to go deer hunting or would know anything about deer hunting.

Thanks for the other replies; I have found big bucks in this area but am interested in trying one of the Northeastern units where there are different genetics. "Big" is relative to the area that you are hunting.
 
Easy there KingCrow.....Manny simply asked a question that others were probably thinking as well. He's also taken some very nice animals in the Golden State and used to live in the same portion of the state you're now looking into (N/E)........and WOULD have been a good person to ask some general info on.

As for his amount of posts......well we've both been around this board for well over 10 years......longer than most......so they have a tendency to pile up is all. :)

As for the buck in Eastman's........it was taken on the D-zone side of the same unit you're wanting to leave.......so the genetics are there. BigPig knows the area (X-12) very well.......he has a place there and gave some good advice. There are some good bucks in X-12, but you have to hike and scout the little pockets that most others are not willing to look at.

As for the best genetics in the state.....as a measurer I can tell you in my opinion it's D-12.......some absolute giants there..........just not a lot of deer and A LOT of real estate to try and find them in. Good luck in your hunting this year and I hope you find what you're looking for.

BOHNTR )))---------->
 
"............as he completely trashes gramatics and sentence structure, while bashing a long time poster on this site, regarding spelling and hunter success".

Geez, Roy, you got your "nice" hat on this morning, or what?
 
all kiding aside, i've lived in the area your Q about, the deer pop is down by 40% if not more and my point is, if you know an area bess stick with it these days, but i do see your point about big deer......

I moved to Oregon 4 years ago and its like learning how to hunt all over again trying to find a new area to hunt, then learning how to hunt it, big deer have different habits then forkies...just my two cents worth....
 
"Geez, Roy, you got your "nice" hat on this morning, or what?"

lol.....I guess I do Nick. Just trying to alleviate any problems BEFORE all the "alert" emails begin to pile up......saves me some time in future. :)

BOHNTR )))---------->
 
Thanks Roy and others, sorry to be a pot-stirrer. When a sentence begins with 'no offense' it is usually followed by something offensive.

Roy-

I believe the Eastmans buck you are referring to was the D-7 rifle buck previously featured in Muley Crazy.

The buck I'm talking about was in the February/March issue(My original post was back in February) and was killed by an archer from "one of California's premium mule deer units."

The intent of my original post was to find out which unit this buck was taken in so that several years down the road after I burn my points I have other units to consider other than X-12.
 
KC:

I've seen the rifle kill buck you're referring to......not the one I was talking about. However, looking back through my data, there have been two velvet bucks (archery) in Eastmans over the last year. The one I was talking about was taken in the high country on the "West" slope of the Sierras. (D-5)

I believe the one you're referring to is a buck I saw at our CBH banquet (see photo below) a wide non-typical that measured 191 0/8". If this is the one, it was taken just a bit further North (Nevada & El Dordao County).

http://www.cbhbiggameclub.com/ImageFetch.ashx?Size=0&ImageID=79

BOHNTR )))---------->
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-15-09 AT 01:46PM (MST)[p]I see at least a few 150+ deer out of X12 each year. Some bigger, and a lot smaller. It's an interesting unit and diverse. You can pack into the high country and see big bucks or you can stay mobile, glass big, and hunt the open sage and see big bucks. Both work. Either way, if you get off the roads or trails you will see deer. I watched a P&Y buck (that wasn't done growing) last year in an area that was less than 1/2 mile from a major road but it was in a hidden pocket that you would never have known about without hoofing it a little. Most of the spots I know are like that. That deer was there all Summer until my brother blew a stock on him (twice) and pushed him out. A few years ago I missed a 175 type buck that I had watched all Summer too. He was on the same face where I had found him over a month earlier. This spot was only a couple miles from the vehicle but straight up. He was in a herd with 11 other bucks and a few of them were nice 4x4's too. My buddy had a blown stalk on a monster 3x4 in the same area too. Not necessarily hard to get to, but hidden. The big bucks are still there. It's just not the good old days. Look at the hunting pics on the Ken's Sporting Goods website. There have been some darn nice bucks killed the last few years.

Both the alpine and the sage hold deer but not all of it. There are pockets that hold more deer than other similar looking places. In my experience, whether it's 1/2 mile or 10 miles in, the areas hidden from the road or trail are where the deer are. Extensive glassing is key.

Take one of the main veins into the hills (Bodie, Lil Walker, Bircham, Buckeye, Green, etc.) Find a two track and take it away from the main road, park and walk, sit and glass. Or park at a trailhead, hike in a few miles, get off the main trail and over a ridge or two and glass. You'll find deer.

I'm probably not telling you anything you don't know, but I always think that sticking with what you know will give you an advantage over hunting new country, even if the stats might indicate better overall success.
 
Good post Bigpig. Even though I have max points I'm reluctant to burn them. I've been hunting the same little area of the same easy to draw zone every year for the last 8 or so years. Every year I learn something new that makes me more succesfull the next year. The first few years were all about just finding deer, let alone killing one. A few years after that I became proficient at killing bucks every year. These last few years I've been lucky enough to consitantly get on and take some nice bucks. The zone I hunt has a 10% harvest ratio and I'm hell bent on (and will) kill a true monster because I know the area and know the potential is there. Stick with what ya know.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-15-09 AT 06:40PM (MST)[p]"When a sentence begins with 'no
offense' it is usually followed
by something offensive".

When you say no offense or with all due respect you can then say anything you want, it's in the Geneva Convention. Shake and Bake!
 
This is a hard question to answer because the odds of taking a big buck (I'll say 150+)in Ca with your bow are very slim. There just aren't many public land bucks that big (without scouting and knowledge of an area). Yeah, no doubt some are taken every year, but very few.

There is no way I'd burn max points on A20. I follow A20 and only know of a few P&Y (145+) bucks taken in the last 10 years. None of which have been recorded in P&Y or CBH. Look it up.

If I had max points and wanted a decent chance at a 150 buck I'd be applying for Bass Hill. If conditions are right the odds will be high to pull this off. Some guys are gonna blast me for this... but I don't have max points. Ed F

http://community.webshots.com/user/bowuntr
 
I'm gonna blast you for not reading his post Edwin. He has max points now and is going to burn them on something else, THEN afterwards he wants a good hunt he can draw more regularly. A20 makes perfect sense after cashing in max points.

For whats it worth, even knowing it well, I wouldn't burn max points on A20 either.
 
If I were you I would stick with x-12 and hunt the Bodie Hills not on the west side of 395 (too many people). I have scouted up there and seen some huge bucks. The area lends itself to hours of glassing. But, just when you think you looked over a draw and saw everything a buck walks out!
I love x-12 and have hunted it 8 seasons and never have I been skunked!
Paul
Nice Rack Taxidermy
 
It seems like lately you've got a better chance of killing a monster buck on the west slope of the sierras. Most all of the x zones have roughly the same caliber of muleys.
 

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