How big is YOUR trophy..?

BrowningRage

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There is some general topics concerning animals' scores here. I thought I'd start a thread asking you guys what you would consider a "trophy animal".

If I ever harvest a mature mule deer that scores 160" or above, I must admit that would be a trophy for me. General esthetics would come into play as well, but that is a good mark for me to shoot for. Anything larger than that would just be that much better of a buck for me.

As far as elk, I'd say a 6x6 going 330" would be an amazing trophy for me to harvest someday... But I care less about elk...

Where do you guys consider a trophy at.......?
 
(Wish I had one of each of these)
360" elk
82" antelope
200" muley
6' black bear
150" whitetail
140lb mtn lion
9 1/2" billy
160" Des Bighorn
180" Rocky
65" Alaskan Moose
48" Shiras
Throw style points for mass and extra points and width
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-22-10 AT 11:30AM (MST)[p]I liked the article by Craig Boddington titled, "Effort counts". Trophys can mean a lot more than size, it could be the age of the animal, the hunt, the country, the effort, the memories.Inches alone are a poor way to measure trophys in my book, although I do like the record book animals and the stories behind them. But a nice 350 class bull is what I would mount, if I get lucky this fall.
 
As far as score-wise, if I ever get a 330" elk, he'll go on the wall.
White-tailed deer 145" or better and mule deer 170" or better for a shoulder mount. Aesthetics and how the animal actually looks or any sentimental value (family member kills, etc.), do play a part though.
I had my Idaho moose mounted even though he won't score well (not quite 40"), just because i don't know anyone back home with a moose on the wall and it was OIL.
 
I consider a trophy animal a good representative of the species.
For instance: a 150"+ whitetail I killed last year is being mounted.
I mounted a 160" mule deer shot in 2008, but I shot one that went 156" the year before and did not mount it due to crabbed front forks. That buck was only 22" wide, whereas the 160" buck I mounted was 25" wide with nice even forks.

I also have the first mule deer I ever shot mounted. It's a 135" 3 point, but that hunt meant more to me than a lot of others because of family being there and it being my first decent buck. It was a true trophy for me when the animal was killed.

I am now looking for a mule deer in the 170"+ range or an elk 300+".
 
Good topic.

I'm a Cali blacktail guy. Any buck over 20" wide in this area is a trophy. I have a 3 pointer that goes 23" wide and about 132 score.

I do have a 15 7/8" long pronghorn.

A heavy horned 185 mulie is one thing I'm after. A heavy 6x6 in the 340 range would work. I DO have one B&C entry and that's my once-in-a-lifetime 204 whitetail. Right place, right time.
 
What ever puts a smile on my face. That means I haven't shot anything that i don't consider a trophy.
 
I would say a

180 Muley
150 Blacktail
350 Elk
180 Sheep
85 Antelope
175 Whitetail
 
I think that there are way to many different aspects to consider when deciding what makes a trophy.

Where are you hunting? A 160-170 inch muley on public land in Utah id say its a pretty good trophy, but that same caliber of buck off the Henery Mtns not so good.

What weapon are you using? What season are you hunting?

What kind of effort did you put forth to obtain the trophy? Id be a hell of a lot prouder (if thats a word) of a 340 inch bull I backpacked in to get then a 370 incher I shot off the road.

Is it your first kill or your tenth? Was I by my self or was I able to share the experience with my family and friends?

In my opinion it all depends on many many different things to determine what makes it a trophy in my eyes.
 
My remaining goals:

1. 9 point (western count - eye guards don't count) one side or both mule deer

2. heavy wide 3x3 mule deer

3. mule deer tag in Arizona

I have or have done everything else I want.
 
I'm on the same page as couple of the other guys here. It's more the experience, that certain trip etc.
My favorite trophy is my Spike Bull Elk I took a few years back.
It was my first bull with my bow, I was with a great friend, and to top it all off I had forgotten my release aid at camp and had to shoot him with my fingers, while Jeff was filming the whole thing! Great memory and to me a great trophy.

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Again I say hunt what you like, forget about score.

I've killed two high scoring deer, one at 206" and one at 185". I've killed other bucks that dont score all that great, but they look just as impressive next to these bucks.

Score to me now adays is more of a reference to what the animal actually looks like. I still want to kill a monster 2X2 mulie buck. Those are hard to find.

I once spent nearly an entire season trying to kill a 3X3 that was probably close to 35" wide. I found him before season, but never could find him during the hunt. He wouldnt have scored at all, but he was cool looking.

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Thanks for the posts guys..!!!

This is exactly why I posted this thread, I love hearing how everyone determines their own trophy. Good looks, good specimen, good score, and most of all good memories seem to determine the "Trophy" status for most of us.

I did a Euro mount of my first good looking buck, he was a solid 2-point I shot when I was 15. I got the day off school to go with my dad. When we spotted him, my dad handed me his 7mm and said, "Go ahead". That was all she wrote. Great memory for a 15 year old and his dad. Worst part was, I shot him so early in the morning, I had to go back to school after lunch... :)

I have no problem with those of you with high expectations, it drives you to be better and I commend you for it. My sights aren't too high yet, as I have yet to shoulder mount any animal I have harvested. Once I have a couple of great memories on the wall, I may start to shoot a little higher...

Thanks guys..!!!
 
I also think it depends on the hunt. I have three 260-280 class elk mounted. Two euros and one full shoulder mount, they were all from Utah general season public land hunts and are trophies to me because of the memories.

That being said, a 350+ elk and a 180+ mule deer are my trophy goals, but they probably will never be general season hunts like my others...
 
To me a trophy is directly related to the effort put into it. If I had the chance to shoot a 200" buck out of a farmer's field, I might mount it, but it wouldn't mean near as much to me as a hard earned high country muley of any size.

The elk I killed this year is a wonderful trophy to me. It represents a ton of hard work and untold stories. Every time I look at it I'll be reminded of all that went into it for me. I'll hopefully kill bigger elk in my life, but none more meaningful on a personal level.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-23-10 AT 09:19AM (MST)[p]My two cents:

I have two rooms filled with dead critters from three continents. Although I've never been a meat hunter, I've never really been a devout trophy hunter where score mattered.

Many of the mounts are my first of the species. Only one (mentioned below) has ever been scored, and that was for the sake of the outfitter who wanted to enter it in the SCI book.

Although folks have said a few of the heads would make the various "books," I have no interest in knowing what they score either "officially" or unofficially. The only times I've taken a tape to any of them was to measure either spread or horn lenght, but that was for mere curiosity.

When I hunted Africa, the outfitter there guaranteed every animal would make the SCI record book or we wouldn't shoot it. On the first day, I told the PH I didn't give a rat's pazzoo about the record book, so if he thought any animal was a nice representative trophy, just say so and I would kill it. And that's what I did.

And that it is how I have always approached all my hunting regardless of where I was or what species I was hunting. It's still that way today.

Now here's a snippet I wrote for Rocky Mt. Game & Fish magazine a couple years ago. The left-out part that followed the snippet gave suggestions on judging a "trophy" in the field.

IS IT A TROPHY?​

Competing for some warmth, two other guides and our six hunters from New Jersey and Texas huddled closer to the dwindling campfire. While they continued swapping hunting tales on that eve of the 1976 Colorado deer season opener, I placed a fresh log on the coals, then watched the flames prey on the hunk of wood.

The pine pitch warmed quickly. With no breeze to alter their route, the sooty smoke curls lingered a bit before drifting away into the night sky. I peered up at the star-flecked blackness and smiled, recalling a question my now 45-year-old son, Keith, had asked as an inquisitive 5-yr.old in 1967.

We had camped among the ponderosa pines in northeast Arizona?s White Mountains, and the mid-summer night temperature had fallen to the low 40s. Wrapped tightly in his heavy coat, Keith had pushed in tight against my wife for extra warmth and had intently focused on the fire. After 15 silent minutes, he suddenly asked, "Daddy, where does the smoke go." Knowing I would have no plausible answer, my wife smiled when I told the toddler the smoke just goes all the way up to heaven.

Right then, a client interrupted my musing, but I heard only my name. "Sorry, I was dreaming. What did you say?"

The man from New Jersey repeated his question. "What do you think our chances of taking a good trophy are?"

Thinking about the irony, I paused several seconds. Although the question was less far-fetched than Keith?s had been, I had no definitive answer simply because I needed to know what comprised a trophy for him.

Little has changed since that night in 1976. Today, the adage, "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder," still fits. The problem is one of definition; a trophy for one guy might be a non-shooter to the next guy.

At one time or another, many hunters will harbor the spirits and desires of a trophy hunter. Unfortunately, reality usually takes precedence over spirits and desires.

Hunters supposedly kill about a million deer for each one that makes the Boone & Crockett (B&C) record book. So if my hunter wanted a B&C mule deer, his chances would be minimal at best and astronomical at worst. Yet knowing many older bucks lived in our hunting area, I could have comfortably said he had a 50/50 chance at a nice representative head, especially given the results of our past hunts in the same area. But again, my answer depended on his trophy parameters and not mine, which might greatly differ.

If we stay with the dictionary definition, any memento of the hunt would be a trophy. And many deer hunters do follow Mr. Webster's interpretation. Certainly any youngster who kills his first buck will cherish it as a trophy, regardless of antler or body size. Actually, even a spike or a doe, where legal, might qualify as a neophyte hunter?s trophy.

Then there are the middle-grounders. Although they pay little attention to concise parameters and rarely fret over a lack of symmetry or the number of points per side, they bestow trophy status to any mature, above-average buck. B&C scores are unimportant; they merely want a set of antlers for their wall. Many middle-ground hunters might also shoot a smaller buck as the final day of the season approaches.

Sean Browne is a prime example of a middle-grounder. Although the La Honda, Calif. resident is 44 years old, he began hunting only five years ago. Since then, he has killed a few wild boars, three California blacktail deer and a New Mexico elk. He had never hunted mule deer until 2006, though.

?I had traveled to Broomfield, Colo. several times because of my job with Sun Microsystems. Then two years ago, I met Wes Atkinson of Atkinson Expeditions at a sports show in San Mateo. He?s based in Wellington, Colo. and guides mule deer hunters in the northern part of that state. So I decided to book a hunt with him for the 2006 season,? Browne said.

Understandably, the first-time mule deer hunter wanted to kill the biggest buck on the mountain.

?Like most hunters, I wanted a trophy I could proudly hang on my wall. I didn't necessarily care about the score or making any record book. Still, I wanted the biggest one we could find,? he said.

Browne and his guide set out the first morning and saw several bucks as soon as they started hunting.

?My guide, Chanse Snow, spotted two bedded deer right away. One was a 3x3, and the other was a nice typical 4x4 with deep forks. After giving the bigger one a good look, though, my guide decided we could do better. We moved on to an old quarry and Chanse spotted another buck bedded in some brush in a fairly open area. Although this buck?s antlers were wider and heavier, the rear fork on the left side was not very deep. Of course, to me he looked like a monster through the spotting scope,? Browne said.

By 10 a.m., the unseasonably warm November day had caused the deer to seek out cooler climes, so Browne and his guide went to eat lunch. They also had a chance to view a dandy 180-inch buck another hunter had tagged the previous day. Without any hesitation on his part, Browne quickly let his guide know a buck like that would make his day.

They headed out to hunt again about 2:30 that afternoon. This time Wes Atkinson tagged along.

?The wind had really kicked up, but we did find a few bucks nonetheless. Chanse and Wes made me pass up a 160-class 4x4 and another one they felt was only a bit bigger. Finally just before sunset we saw a decent buck cresting a hill and took off after him. I tried hard to keep up, but a recent knee operation and being in bad shape took its toll. By the time we got to the top of the hill, the buck had moved more than 600 yards from us, and we only had about half-hour of daylight left. At that point, we decided to quit for the day,? Browne said.

When the two guides picked up Browne the next morning, the temperature at 5:30 was already 50 degrees and the wind had started again. Atkinson immediately expressed his concern, knowing the heat and wind might make for some tough hunting.

?By the time we arrived at the ranch, the sun had began coming up. So as soon as we started glassing, we saw deer but mostly does and small bucks. Finally, Chanse said, ?I found him.? He had located a pair of bucks walking together. One was a 2x3 and the other was a very nice 4x5 with high and wide antlers and deep forks. We waited until both deer bedded down before going after them. Wes was now very confident, saying, ?He?s a dead deer.? And of course, I loved hearing that,? Browne said.

Leaving Chanse below to watch the buck in case he moved, Browne and Atkinson began their stalk up a rocky hillside and eventually reached a point where they could see the buck lying in his bed about 180 yards away.

?I climbed up to a rock ledge and decided to shoot from a prone position, using Wes? backpack for a rest. When I looked through the scope through a vee in the rocks, I had a perfect view of the deer?s lung area. At the shot, the buck stood and began trotting away. I hit him with a second shot, then missed high with a third one just as the buck jumped a barbed-wire fence and disappeared from view. Still, I felt confident the first two hits were good ones. And I was right. A few minutes later, Chanse let us know the buck had gone down,? Browne said.

His 4x5 buck had a gross score of 174 inches, and the first-time mule deer hunter was extremely happy even though his buck didn't make any record book. ?To date, that mule deer is by far my best trophy and better than the buck I had dreamed of taking,? he said.

After the middle-grounders come those who feel only a record-book buck deserves trophy recognition. Of course, these committed nimrods will sometimes tag a non-record-book buck that anyone would still call an outstanding trophy, just as Browne did.

The dedicated types who search solely for these monster bucks have already paid their dues and gained the knowledge, experience and skills to locate and outsmart big deer. Most importantly, they have learned to be patient, often passing on average bucks. They can spot a buck, give it a quick once over and expertly evaluate its trophy proportions. This ability comes by practicing what they already know.
Sometimes, the opportunities to get good at judging a particular species are limited, however.

A friend, who had never seen a live mule deer, hunted with me on Arizona?s North Kaibab several years ago. John had hunted whitetails mostly on his Ohio farm, where bucks rarely live over three years. Like Sean Browne, John was a middle-grounder; he wanted a huge buck but would settle for any decent one later in the season. On the first morning we split up to cover a wide canyon more thoroughly. Left on his own, John unfortunately killed a two-year-old buck with a spindly 2x3 rack and a 18-in. outside spread ? a deer far short of the bruisers the Kaibab often produces. Yet at 175 yards that deer likely appeared to have trophy proportions to John compared to the whitetails he normally hunts.

Before I hunted blacktails for the first time near Eureka, California, I called two friends to ask them what I should look for in the way of trophy antler qualities. Both men, used to seeing deer on the state's public lands, recommended I shoot the first buck with antlers as wide as its ears. Thankfully, I didn't take their advice.

I hunted on a private timber lease, and the bucks were unusually large compared to those on California?s public lands. On opening day I saw at least six bucks with spreads wider than their ears in the first few hours and passed up one high and wide 3x3 that I later found out would make the B&C book. I did eventually kill a buck that scored high enough for Safari Club International's (SCI) record book, but if I had done my homework, I could have tagged a better one. Given the recommendations I had, though, I wasn't prepared to judge trophy quality beyond the "if they're as wide as his ears, shoot." .............





TONY MANDILE
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I have shot some nice animals in my hunting career, and like someone said above, every one of them brought a smile to my face. I can honestly say I have never walked up on an animal and said, "crap I shouldn't have shot that". That being said, my "trophy" classification has changed dramatically since my kids started hunting with me. Now I consider any animal harvested with my kids a trophy and any outing in the woods a successful trip with them. I have had antelope and deer mounted that my girls have shot that most would not. However, they look just as good on the wall as the 380 and 370 bulls they are hanging next to.

It's always an adventure!!!
www.awholelottabull.com
 
Scores are certainly nice or a good benchmark, but for me the overall hunt is as important and I will always give up a higher score for a better overall "look" to the animal. Some animals are big score wise and other are just big or impressive looking regardless of score.
 
My greatest trophy was my first deer I ever killed. A small 2 point. I have killed many larger deer since, but will remember that deer as one of my proudest mmoments.
 
>I have shot some nice animals
>in my hunting career, and
>like someone said above, every
>one of them brought a
>smile to my face.
>I can honestly say I
>have never walked up on
>an animal and said, "crap
>I shouldn't have shot that".
> That being said, my
>"trophy" classification has changed dramatically
>since my kids started hunting
>with me. Now I
>consider any animal harvested with
>my kids a trophy and
>any outing in the woods
>a successful trip with them.
> I have had antelope
>and deer mounted that my
>girls have shot that most
>would not. However, they
>look just as good on
>the wall as the 380
>and 370 bulls they are
>hanging next to.
>
>It's always an adventure!!!
>www.awholelottabull.com

That bout sums it up for me as well. I've killed a fair amount of big critters over the years but none are near as exciting as what the last few years have been hunting with my kids. Since my kids have started hunting, I haven't killed much myself, and that doesn't bother me at all. I could care less if I kill another monster muley this year. But I am gonna have a blast hunting with the kids and I have a sneakin' suspicion this year is going to top the previous years.
 
ANY hard earned animal is a trophy! When I first started hunting any legal animal was a trophy then I wanted 6pt bulls and 4pt muleys, 3pt coues deer ect. Now my goals are score related or very unique animals, not to be a snob but to add more challenge into hunting! Now trophys are: anything freaky 180"muleys (I have a 208") 380" bulls (I have a 371") 110" coues (I have a 97" and a 3 antlered buck). So I have alot of work to do, and I'm sure that if I'm lucky enough to achive some goals they will change to keep the challenge alive. I never want to be at the "top" but always trying to improve. I'm sure when I get real old (cause I will hunt till the day I die) just being able to still get out and hunt will be the trophy

Other trophys are or will be: my kids animals when they get old enough, any Jrs that I help out or anyone that I introduce into hunting and they kill anything!!!!

Really cool topic! Its good to see different opinions on what is a trophy cause there are no wrong answers! A trophy is in the eye of the beholder and the definition can change over time.

JMO
Eric
 
I know some if not most will argue otherwise, which is cool cuz we're all different and opinions vary, but any bowhunted typical velvet muley over 205" or nontypical velvet muley over 225" would be a true trophy for me...I've only really been trophy hunting for one year now and I don't have any that big yet but I'll never stop going after em...

~Z~
 
I won't pass up a 180 buck or a 300 bull....that's good enough for me every year...if I find something bigger I'm tickled fartless...and I don't hunt out of state anymore...
 
Cool I like that answer. Mine is 5'5" - 115 - 36C and nice and encourages me to hunt and play golf!
 
MY "trophy" allows me to hunt as I please however, all antlers, skulls, skins, etc. remain in the garage regardless of size or shape. I really don't have the money to mount any, never did and so all of my trophies are piled unnoticed in a closet in the garage. By the way MY "trophy" is 5'7" eternally tanned and a former D-II scholarship basketball player. Did I mention she's beautiful and brilliant too!
 
I agree with Max_1. Anything you shoot and your happy about is a trophy, but to put numbers to it. I would consider anything above a 330" Elk and a 160" Deer to be a great trophy on the wall!
 
I mounted a 350 elk and this year mounted a 277 elk. 277 elk was very memorable because both me and my cousin killed elk on the trip not to mention 4 encounters with grizzly bears not to mention I killed mine 277 elk on the last day during the last 30 minutes of the day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is a trophy. Any branch antlered elk taken legally is a trophy.
flyingbrass
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All I know is that if the post kill dialogue includes "look at the character these horns have" then it is NOT a trophy.
 
they are all trophys to me. I have euro mounted or head mounted every deer iv taken. It also depends on the moment. I have passed up 160" - 170" early in the hunt and have ended up taking a little three point later in the year. If it doesn't give me buck fever at the time of the shot i will let them live another year.


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Nets are for fish!!
 
You can really ruin a hunt and a "trophy" with score. I agree that score can make it easier to size an animal, but you don't get a lot of inches for mass. I have seen 160 bucks that I would shoot over 180 bucks. I like mass and good main frame bucks, with a few extras. I love inlines, but if the buck isn't heavy, I am usually passing. Even if it does have extra's. Shoot something that is pleasing to your eye, and then everytime you look at it hanging on the wall, it will bring back the memories from the hunt. And it will bring a smile to your face, that is a true trophy to me.
 
Here is my thought...I think a trophy is an animal that is mature for the area you are hunting if you are thinking score. If you are hunting in a area that does not produce 200 inch bucks, why hold out ? In this day and age you can research any area you might draw in any state and find out what the best animal your chances of getting are. If an area produces those bucks over 200 inches, then that is what you should set for your "trophy" goal. If you draw a area where the biggest bucks are going to score 160-170, that is what to aim for. Why hold out for that 200 buck when they just don't grow there ? It is tough to draw a area where you have a chance at a 200 buck every year. I would venture to say most of us don't. We all try to pick the best areas that give us the opportunity to go for that 200+ monster. When we draw then hold out for that monster.
Trophys are all relative to what the area can produce.

That being said, there is always that animal that may have a special meaning to us. Like your first buck or maybe your son's (or daughter's) first buck. These types of trophys will always hold special memories for us and should be considered a trophy.

When people come over to my place and look at my mounted bucks they often ask why I mounted that "small one". The buck in question is a 168 Montana buck. My family and friends hunted this area in Southwest Montana for nearly 25 years and this buck was the biggest buck anyone had ever shot or even had seen in this area. He still means alot to me and I consider him to be one of my best trophys. This buck also field dressed at 306 lbs.

I'm not going to stop hunting just because I did not draw a top unit. Just my thoughts..... Moose
 
Moose +1

For many years i hunted Blacktail on a isolated mountain range that just didn't produce overly big racked bucks. Every year i took one of the best and biggest trophy, if not biggest, bucks to come off that ranch-mountain range. Raised from longstanding hunting family's, I felt that it was my responsibility.

Everybody around me knew what i was doing, how hard i hunted, the preseason work that i put in every year, and the kind of shot that i was on game. I still pride myself of all those great bucks that i took through the years but when you put them aside record book type animals, mine don't come close to comparing...points or score wise!

Because of the location that i had to hunt and how i went about doing it, nobody could say that i didn't deserve the many big trophy pure blacktail bucks that i hunted and took... and nobody can take that away from me either.

Joey
 

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