Nonresident Tags at the expo.

Steve52 · Feb 28, 2013

Is it just me or do you guys also think that its a bunch of B.S. that the nonresidents get to put in for 5 OIL hunts that only nonresidents get to put in for? I understand the lure to bring more people in and I'm fine with them doing that, but don't you think that the residents should have something special just for them. I mean it is our tags that they are using to do the draw and we should be the ones that get rewarded for it. No other state is doing this and if you look at the fees to put apply in other states their a real hit to the pocketbook. Where if NR want to apply here they just have to do the same things as we do and only front the license fee and 10 dollar fee to apply.
I'm totally fine with having tags for NR only but change them at least to like bookcliffs deer or something else. Don't be giving away tags that we will be lucky to draw ever through the regular draw. If your going to just have the NR OIL tags then make the other OIL tags just for residents. or something along those lines. I mean NR took home 3 out of the 8 OIL that are open to everyone too.If NR get their own draw shouldn't we too?

Zim · Feb 28, 2013

OMG

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DirtyTough · Feb 28, 2013

lol.

I'm pretty sure the 200 expo tags were taken from the non res pool originally. Maybe they should give all 200 back to the non res draw pool.

Then they could take 200 from the resident pool, and have 5 oil tags that only the residents can put in for and 195 that anybody can apply for.

Could be totally wrong cause I don't follow the expo. Just thought I read that back in the day.

TOPGUN · Feb 28, 2013

With the first post the guy put up like that I can now see why you guys out there refer to yourselves as Utards!!!

Steve52 · Feb 28, 2013

>With the first post the guy
>put up like that I
>can now see why you
>guys out there refer to
>yourselves as Utards!!!

I would say that too if I was allowed to put in for the tags

BrowningRage · Feb 28, 2013

Come on man- your first post on MM is a beef with Expo tags..?? I don't think so... You must have another account here. Why hide behind a new handle.?

Can anyone verify that the 200 tags were taken from NR tag allotments previously..??

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24

coyoteslayer · Feb 28, 2013

16 out of 200. In the regular draw, non-residents get 10% of the tags. They did not even get 10% of the tags at the expo. Yes they do get some once in a lifetime tags, but I would just as soon have a good elk or deer unit any day. I am a Utah resident, but put in for 3-4 different states each year. Those of us that like to hunt other states understand what its like to be a non-resident. Non-residents should be treated fairly in all states. I am not saying equal tags, but treated fairly. Non-residents only get between 10-20% tags in most states and pay a lot more money for the tags.

UGAhunter · Feb 28, 2013

50% of the expo tags (100/200) came from the non-resident allocation of tags. The push to provide some (5 I think) non-resident only tag at the expo came from the fact that non-residents gave up 100 tags in the general draw, but only made up a tiny fraction of Expo attendees. Look over the results and you will see about 10 non-residents drew tags at the Expo, about 5%, including the set-aside.

Castnshoot · Feb 28, 2013

Out of all those tags it looks to me like only 16 non residents won a tag.

That incudes those dedicted to non residents only.

Isn't bring out of town money to go into the local economy one of the big reasons given for scraping the cream (tags) off the top for this big shindig?

stillhunterman · Feb 28, 2013

Utah Code R657-55 Wildlife Convention Permits

R657-55-3 Wildlife Convention Permit Allocation:

(1) The Wildlife Board may allocate wildlife convention permits by May 1 of the year preceding the wildlife convention.

(2) Wildlife convention permits shall be issued as a single series to one conservation organization.

(3) The number of wildlife convention permits authorized by the Wildlife Board shall be based on:

(a) the species population trend, size, and distribution to protect the long-term health of the population;

(b) the hunting and viewing opportunity for the general public, both short and long term; and

(c) a percentage of the permits available to nonresidents in the annual big game drawings matched by a proportionate number of resident permits.

(4) Wildlife convention permits, including special nonresident convention permits, shall not exceed 200 total permits.

(5) Wildlife convention permits designated for the convention each year shall be deducted from the number of public drawing permits.

Here is the Board Meeting where the 2013 convention permits were determined:

http://wildlife.utah.gov/public_meetings/info/2012-08_board_packet.pdf

The numbers were submitted as:

Total permits: 200
Resident Pool: 145
Non-resident Pool: 55

As I understand it, only the Sheep tags were in question.

From the 2012 Convention Permit Audit:

Percent/Tags of Applications 2012:
Resident: 86.15% Tags Issued: 178
Non Resident: 13.85% Tags Issued: 22

These figures are fairly representative from passed conventions. Take from it what you will.

www.unitedwildlifecooperative.org

SlinginLead · Feb 28, 2013

Boy, did you guys shoot him down with facts & reason!

destroyer350 · Feb 28, 2013

Hell, lets put the 55 NR tags back in the state drawing system so we have better odds and residents don't have a chance at NR tags, and NO NRs can apply at the Expo. I'll take that any day!!!

ElmerFudd · Feb 28, 2013

I say don't take the tags from the regular draw quota in the first place. Nonresidents do get hurt in the regular draw proportionally much worse than residents by the expo tags. I really don't care what they do with them after that. Odds are the nonresident only tags were tags stolen from the nonresident regular draw quota.

mntman · Mar 1, 2013

What I want to know is how many times are you guys going to fight over the same F'en crap?
I recomend we get a EXPO only category, so you guys can go in there and fight it out every day without clogging the rest of the sections with this...

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"

Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?

Zim · Mar 1, 2013

>50% of the expo tags (100/200)
>came from the non-resident allocation
>of tags. The push to
>provide some (5 I think)
>non-resident only tag at the
>expo came from the fact
>that non-residents gave up 100
>tags in the general draw,
>but only made up a
>tiny fraction of Expo attendees.
>Look over the results and
>you will see about 10
>non-residents drew tags at the
>Expo, about 5%, including the
>set-aside.

This 100 figure is also what I remember. So according to this latest contract it is only 55? Anyone know how and when that came about?

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utahbigbull · Mar 1, 2013

Some people think beating a dead horse feels better than beating something else.

Strapping on the glasses tight at night in a dark corner, with nothing on but my fruit of the looms, bag of cheetos in hand while on the internet? First place I would go to beat something would be on MM.

mntman · Mar 1, 2013

LAST EDITED ON Mar-01-13 AT 01:37PM (MST)[p]>Some people think beating a dead
>horse feels better than beating
>something else.

lol!

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"

Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?

30plus · Mar 1, 2013

LAST EDITED ON Mar-01-13 AT 06:19PM (MST)[p]The problem with what some are saying is Utah gives 10% of tags in the draw to NR. if you go look at the tag allocations for the last few years you will see that many of the units have been rounded up for NR. take the Henries deer for example 2011 had 39 tags for Res and 5 for NR,closer to 13% than 10%(all hunts except management) so the 1 at the expo would actually give less oppurtunity for NR's to draw. The 2 at the expo are for anyone to draw with the same chance as the next guy. If they go back to the regular draw they would go to the Res. pool.
I bet the reason the Residents drew at higher percentage than the NR is that a higher percentage of Res. put in than did NR. The Expo draw does not discriminate between Res. or NR.
As for the number taken away from NR it doesn't make a difference because the % allocated stays the same.
The 5 tags allocated for NR only at the expo were actually due to the overall number of tags for Res and NR were not at the 10% rule, going by unit to unit numbers. These tags were added to make the total drawn from all OIL units closer to the 10% rule.

Sierra · Mar 1, 2013

>LAST EDITED ON Mar-01-13
>AT 06:19?PM (MST)
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>
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> I bet the reason
>the Residents drew at higher
>percentage than the NR is
>that a higher percentage of
>Res. put in than did
>NR.

Einstein!

cyberelk7 · Mar 5, 2013

Well as one of those NR that won a tag I can only say thank you Utah. Let's not forget, up here in Idaho all NR can come into MOST units in the state and hunt Elk, Deer, bear and antelope. My home units of McCall has many from Utah and surrounding states bow and rifle hunting these animals with over the counter tags. We welcome you all. Just buy a tag and kill a wolf please.

I am hoping someone down there knows some tips for Wasatch Moose. I would love to talk to you. Hope you all have full freezers this fall!!
Kent

sticksender · Mar 5, 2013

Don't forget, some of the conservation permits are earmarked as RESIDENT ONLY. Such as these dandies from the Utah FNAWS banquet:

Rattle Snake Rocky Bighorn - RES ONLY

Kaporwitz East Desert Bighorn - RES ONLY

Escalante Desert Bighorn - RES ONLY