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Yep exactly, that was pointed out multiple times and he stated he had no cell service

Actually I have seen murder charges brought without a body. But this wasn’t about murder it was about where the deer was shot.

Because they admitted to that part; their argument was that they shot it in az and it ran to Utah

I meant the horns/head/hood (the picture is here in the thread). The necropsy was performed on what was left behind.

He wasn’t there for the actual shooting he just brought the food/water and gave Ryan a ride back. It was just Ryan and Alan out of their whole party.

No the gun never reappeared! When they pulled Ryan over they took his boots and some other stuff but that’s it! The buck was never found either!

Right, like I really think they just couldn’t help themselves. They saw it they wanted it they took it. Thought no one would notice but someone did and they called it in. It all went downhill from there.

I want to say we deliberated for 2 hours? The deciding factors were the heart condition and their behaviors. Hiding his cell phone, lying about not having gps/onX/service, I mean they didn’t brag about it nor were even very excited about it when approached by the game wardens (one had a body cam...

That is what we believed based on the condition of the heart when it was opened during the necropsy.

That’s AZ.

Local to Kanab? Sure lol

Here’s what I wrote since I wasn’t allowed to take pictures of the maps they presented. Sorry it’s so terrible hopefully you get the gist!

Sort of like this…not exact but generally speaking

Right exactly our thoughts!

Ahh that makes sense! I had never been on a jury before so this was really interesting!

No one was with them when the buck was actually shot, just after the friend brought them food and water and took Ryan back to their parking location.

Yes totally disappeared to which Alan explained they were never asked to give it over either

No they were just hungry and thirsty evidently

Nope, that and the lack of cell service the lack of even trying to prove their case such as pictures/videos, etc. they had 1 witness who wasn’t even there (claimed to be an expert) and Alan himself.

Right! And he claimed he had no service so that was why he couldn’t call it in but yet he texted his buddy to bring them food and water lol

Yeah I’m not a hunter at all so I didn’t know about the Lacey act nor did they tell us any details about the AZ case. I’ll have to find out if they’ll be tried federally as well.

Oh yeah that was proven they went into Utah and packed it and brought it back that was admitted for sure.

They did it’s just hard for me to explain without showing a picture, it was all country no mile markers or anything

Northwest of the border, they said they shot it southeast of the border in AZ. Alan testified Ryan did not.

Yes, Sam Deiringer. We think him and his buddies were salty because their buck was taken from them (they testified they were watching and waiting for the same buck to go into AZ so they could take it), however the law is the law and our job was to determine whether or not they broke it, not if...

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No we weren’t allowed to google search at all so I had no idea! That’s what I’m saying about the prosecution I don’t know why they didn’t bring that up that totally would’ve pushed to come to a decision faster haha Their demeanor was just emotionless. I couldn’t read them at all!

No it wasn’t, I think they totally could’ve done better to prove their case, but it came down to did we believe the deer could’ve ran as far as the defense said it did (from in AZ to UT about 3 miles away) with shrapnel it’s in heart? And we decided based on expert testimony that no.

Hey ya'll. Jury member here. We found him not guilty of the obstruction charge because the prosecution failed to make a case for it and therefore had to ask us not to find him guilty. But that charge was brought because he stated first that his cell did not have gps or onx, but then later stated...