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Im only a tool when the dude has no idea what he is talking about and is acting like a tool. If he had done some research or wasn't just going off what someone told him, I may be more helpful. Bone collector not sure your information is real helpful to him either. 10 points he has quite a few...

You think they have a few of those giant muleys on the high fence ranches that are 300 plus inches ready to release on the unit this spring that will just appear for these high rollers? Im thinking that would show how well the DWR is managing their units. Or do you think they'll do like the...

I will put a plug in for hornreapers outfitters. A smaller operation, but real tuned in to getting after the big ones.

Honestly if you are hoping your kid gets an early rifle tag with 7 points you are in a dream world anyway. I agree, as a resident, I believe non-residents should get at least 10% of the tags, not up to 10% OF THE TAGS, UNLESS THEY ARE FROM NEW MEXICO, then give them up to 5% of the tags and 4%...

Dang with 14 points I wouldn't even be considering unit 1. Do a bit of homework brother, you are in pretty good shape in my opinion.

Not sure how you are scoring , but clearly it is not 196. I would struggle getting 180 out of either buck. 4 mass measurements per side, main beam, inside spread, not outside and tine length. The tape measure has to be tight too. :))

That's a great bull, 370 may be a stretch, but one heck of a bull, especially for a young kid. Nice work.

Best I got is "Tough". Biggest bulls in there are 350 as per other posts on the unit by real good sources. But a bow and arrow post rut. I'll tell you this much. Its a thick jungle and I think there is more water this year than ever, so water holes may not be much use. Try the hells gate...

So the dude wanted to go around you in the morning, get a life. That's everyones pet peeve. Slow hunter going down the road making everyone late. What a stupid post. The guy chastizes you because you weren't being ethical. He comes to congratulate you on your bull and you run him out of...

I think both units are great. What I don't like is when these guides think there services are worth so much. If you go into either unit with no experience and a map and start driving around and glassing from different points, you are going to see tons of deer and nice bucks. Some how all...

Good luck finding bulls, but if you do they can be big.

That will be a fun hunt, kill a bull quick and then focus on 3a 3c. There are going to be some giants in there this year with the way the moisture has laid out.

I've hunted it a bunch pm me i might be able to get you started.

Here is the problem with bugle. 1. He feels his opinion is the only important one. 2. He is not willing to listen or consider that someone else opinion though different, may be just as valid as his. 3. He is quite myopic in his opinions, so its hard not to try to fire him up. Yes it would...

Like I said earlier Ditto, give the landowners more tags, NR will buy them up. Your just getting a taste of your own medicine. Indeed, I think it is quite IRONIC, lol. Listening to the little squeals. When I see how decisions are made in the state, the answer is no I would not become a...

As a non-resident i think its great. The way you've fleeced us the last few years jamaro, i hope you get some of your own medicine. Give those landowner tags. Pass that bill

Typical Utard. As soon as they don't get their way, the whole state is related to one road hunter.

If you change from a montec to an Ulmer Edge, the problem typically goes away. The broad head is devistating and leaves such a hole that there is typically a great blood trail. as per your explanation You shot the deer in the heart. You should find him, but they typically run a good ways in a...

Thanks, Yeah that's part of what I didn't know. I figured there were a few more around that were 300 plus. We'll start taking some rides up to see what we can find.

My dad drew this hunt, hes 66 with 10 points. He has never killed a great bull. I believe his best is a rag horn. He is pretty excited. It has been a while since I have been in the area for elk. We used to hunt around strawberry a lot before it was a draw. I think my Dad would be real...

I guess it depends on what a giant bull is to you? Can tell you this, very uncommon to see a 350 bull come out of the public part of this unit on a regular basis right now. I have been frequenting the unit for a while. It has gone down hill significantly over the last 5 to 6 years. Wolves...

Well Why would anyone ever switch. Yeah my dad shoots a paper plate at 300 yards with his 3006 and kills deer every year. The reasons we switch bullets or packs, or rifles, or binos is because there is a better product. If he gets more accuracy and a better exit wound, then that my make a lot...

It just depends on if you want a coues deer or mule deer. If you have never coues deer hunted, I would suggest you get a guide or someone that knows the unit if you are going to cash in 9 years of points. Coues deer hunting isn't easy. Now if you shoot a 100 inch coues deer, at least for me...

Oh and if you have horses 16 B could be great, 16e kind of like 16c. Unit 2 isn't well know, but a good unit to kill a sub 300 inch 6 point. Thats my take. And FYI, you probably won't draw, after the non-resident assault, unless you are being guided even for average units the odds are slim to...

I agree with the Gila, however 16 C has really gone down hill over the last 5-10 years. Just not the numbers or size in there that there once was. Here is a list of Units that are the best trophy units: 16 D best unit and hunt in the state 16 A 2nd best unit and Hunt 15 not far behind...

yep, different mangement philosophy for sure over the last 5 years in the elk deparment anyway. Deer management has always been a bit shaky. ie too many tags.

Well if your just after a hunt, then you should enjoy it. There are plenty of elk. I have had 4 cameras in there for the last 2 years. Have some permanent salt licks set up now in the thickets. If you draw let me know. I'll direct you into a few elk.

If you have any points, you'll draw, unfortunately the hunts in 4 b are a lot like an over the counter hunt in colorado. Just not a lot of top end bulls in 4b. Lots of folks running around as well. Not an easy unit to stay away from people. Good luck

Yeah seems like the fish and game has begun going away from quality trophy hunting to opportunity type hunting like colorado. We are certainly seeing it slanting that way slowly but surely. Interesting that it started happening after a certain individual from Colorado began his stay with the...

That just shows draw odds, can't find any outfitter info

Oh it did indeed reduce the habitat, that is just scientific fact, now what you are talking about is the future habitat will be much better. It normally takes from 3-5 years to get to that point. The first 1-3 years is reduced habitat. So better days should be around the corner, perhaps...

Keep researching, way better units for mulies. Now whitetail, your getting pretty hot.

Agreed nothing funny about alcohol and guns, but was funny as anything imagining a guy shooting off the hood of his truck one hand stabilizing his deal, the other holding the gun.

It was in 2b! Same guy told us that though this was a small buck for him, he had killed 4 bucks in the past in the same sage flat that were 31 inches. Why didn't the license plate get taken, maybe because it was a mixture of being so funny and unbelievable at the same time that it was like...

So I am over there hunting mule deer and it makes more sense now that I see they all voted for Obama. Only state in the west with no common sense? Anyway me and my buddy are driving down the road and this guy, not sure if he is Mexican, indian or what but he has greased back hair, 1 front...

Utah management is the worst in all of the states out there catering to a very small minority. So why not try it if you know the right people they'll probably push it through and try it out for you for at least 2 years. No science, but if a dollar could be made. This state never keeps a...

nice job!

2 years ago I saw a 380 type bull grazing in the fields around aragon. I 'm sure everyone knew abou that one though. There are still a few around.

Dont waste your time with the book not worth the money! Poor maps, just get a GPS. I have the water catchment book. Not worth it.

Great bucks. That is awesome the young guy was able to participate. We drew 2b middle hunt this year. Should be a lot of fun!