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Another excellent job Brian on a great buck. So glad he was there when you went back. Like you said, "got my cake and ate it too. Christian

Founder, A serious congrats to you on one of your best bucks. Wide bucks are indeed rare, as you said. My hat's off to you. Your patience and knowledge of buck behavior are inspiring. You bring a lot to this pursuit of monster mule deer- thanks for sharing your adventures! Robby Denning

Because some people buy sheds, they are lazy???? I'm confused. I know guys who buy them because they like big deer. I guess some might say they shot them, but guys like that lie about everything. Doesn't devalue selling sheds. lbeaumont11, if appropriate, let us know what you get for the...

thank you Abiggerfish2fry You've satisfied the curiousity of a bunch of internet deer hunters! The Christian

Thanks Ryan, Great story on the buck and measuring. I can't wait to see your next WT book, loved the first one. A great resource you have put together. We took our kids to the State Capital in Boise last week and saw your "Idaho's Greatest..." books on display in the historical Idaho books...

Wow, it is real. If it is 250 gross, that puts it around number 3 all time Idaho according to Hatfield's greatest Idaho Whitetails. I don't get Eastman's currently, anyone willing to post a pic? Thanks The Christian

thanks for chiming in. Do you know which Eastman's edition? I heard it was like a 260" buck????????? The Christian

Hate be part of any rumor mill, but I've heard from two people that there was a giant of a whitetail killed in N. Idaho 2011. I'M NOT SAYING ONE WAS KILLED, just wondering if anyone can confirm? The Christian

Unless you can scout in the summer, under the current herd conditions, you will be greatly disappointed. Even if you scout, it will be tough, but you could improve your odds by locating bucks before the pressure mounts. The Christian

That close up of the right side cheaters shows the true "imensity" (is that a word?) of that deer. No trick photography here. None of us will ever see a deer like that, safe to say. Good job to Rob at NTO. The Christian

Thanks for your input BCBOY. All I can say is if I was hunting in any legal state-sponsored season and saw a buck of that caliber and he had a collar on, I would still shoot him. I really can't argue with what you are saying. I'm just not much against these tags and hunting outfits that...

LAST EDITED ON Dec-31-11 AT 01:33PM (MST)[p]BCBOY I've always respected your opinion and still do. I'd have to disagree based on my family hunting SE Idaho since the late 1930's that the December deer were hunted hard. Very few if any hunters in the winter-range woods then. My post was...

LAST EDITED ON Dec-31-11 AT 12:47PM (MST)[p]If someone posts a pic of grandpa in '49 with a huge buck in back of a chained-up jeep, killed in December, some people say "What a hunter!" Fast-forward 60 years. Mule deer have dwindled to the point only 5-10 governer style tags can be issued...

Because it's a slow friday night! The Christian

It looks like the "Bejeweled Pisscutter" post from squirrel has a pic of Denny Austad with a big deer with a Mossback logo. I know Denny had the Colorado Gov tag for 2011, but don't know if that is the deer he killed there this year. Anyone know if that is the deer? The Christian

I know you're asking about Utah, but in Idaho, cheatgrass has taken over many of our winter and lower summer ranges. The Christian

I'm really foggy on this, but wasn't that the Tooele area buck? Seems like he got poached? The Christian

Great Job! You gott'er done in the desert with a bow. My hat's off to you. The Christian

Sadly, SSakitas is right. Also, there is no designated wilderness in Region G, only H. If you could find a resident to go that would be a better option, probably cut hunting pressure by 25% in wilderness areas but you won't be alone. Hunting from a trailer would be a horrible way to hunt G...

Thanks Yelum, I found him. Merry Christmas The Christian

I contributed to his Public Land Mulies book but lost track of him once he left Eastman's. Maybe someone knows where's he at now? Phone number or email address would be great. PM me or email me at [email protected] Robby Denning The Christian

Good work. However, your model doesn't account for buck mortality, low buck:doe ratios and the effect that has on fawn weights/survival. I asked this question in the other thread but it kinda got buried. Most hunters think Colorado is doing a good job managing deer? How can they offer doe...

In 2008, I hunted a buck with several kickers 2-3" long. In 2009, I found him and actually killed him. Those stickers had almost disappeared. Where they were before was only a few bumps. I'm 100% certain it was the same deer as I got to watch him so close for two seasons. I lab-age all my...

Can we get an "Amen"! The Christian

AspenAdventures, You asked "Why do states like Nevada, Wyoming, Arizona, and Colorado have more deer per acre and higher buck to doe ratios?" Leave out Wyoming for a minute as they don't manage resident hunters for the most part- just non residents. The other states you mention manage...

AspenAdventures, I don't trust the DWR just because they are in charge. That is why I've been asking questions about this debate on doe hunts, to try and find some fact in the matter. I don't trust many hunters either. They are usually so emotional they won't look at facts. It's whatever...

yes, your point was made and I agreed with it in post 18, my first post. Thanks The Christian

AspenAdventures. I agree with your last post that we must be careful with doe hunts. Really, as I said before, I support any hunter wanting to hunt a doe IF the herd can handle it and he's as much a hunter as a trophy hunter. The real question is whether that particular herd can handle it...

AspenAdventures, Thanks for answering the question posed. If I worded it right: "would we have had more deer left over after that hard winter had not the doe tags been offerred?" You answered "NO" If we are on the same page, then that is my point in offerring doe hunts WHEN BIOLOGICALLY...

nontypical, thanks for the Wyoming example, which I used in part on another thread. Question, what are your thoughts on this, as I've heard it from both sides. Winter of 92/93 is what stopped all the doe hunts because of die off; would we have had more deer left over after that hard winter...

AspenAdventures, I asked you because I don't know about those units you mentioned. I'm not trying to be a smart a.., just trying to learn, too. I did look at the antlerless guidebook yesterday, but it wasn't clear if those units listed were the only antlerless hunts in the state. If so...

Thanks for sharing your success. The Christian

sage, thanks and agreed that if a herd can't handle doe harvest, then it is the worst thing to do. The Christian

Sage, appreciate your post, really, but your math only works if nothing else (predators, highway, disease) is killing those does. I agree at the end of your post where you say we can hunt does (over objective units, private, etc.) and that is all I'm really saying, too. I'm definitely not for...

LAST EDITED ON Dec-05-11 AT 07:08PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Dec-05-11 AT 07:08?PM (MST) LAST EDITED ON Dec-05-11 AT 04:39?PM (MST) AspenAdventures, You mention the 60's. If that is your benchmark for a healthy deer herd, you're going to be disappointed. Not sure if that's what you meant...

AspenAdventures Let me explain my comment that you quoted. If you ask a biologist, there is something in game management called "compensatory mortality." Fancy phrase that means just because a deer doesn't die by a hunter, does not mean it won't die by other causes. This is really the...

LAST EDITED ON Dec-03-11 AT 06:21PM (MST)[p]Just this year, I hunted a week in the Idaho backcountry for a good buck I'd scouted, never having a chance in the five days I hunted. Got to the truck with the horses about 10:00 PM, and headed for Idaho Falls. About 20 minutes into the drive came...

Excellent job and you should have no regrets. Looks like your research and efforts paid off nicely. Probably in the top few percent of bucks harvested in the West. FWP will probably send you an envelope to send a tooth in for aging. If you'd be so gracious, let us know what he ages at. I'm...

LAST EDITED ON Dec-03-11 AT 10:30AM (MST)[p]AspenAdventures, I can't find where I said "killing does has no effect on population..." Maybe you think I implied that with the Idaho & Wyoming examples in post #33? I am not implying that at all. I am saying is that if a Game and Fish agency is...

LAST EDITED ON Dec-02-11 AT 10:51AM (MST)[p]SW, you make a good point, I don't hunt the unit, so easy for me to encourage someone, but... I just hate to see hunters marginalized if they elect to hunt a doe in an open hunt. We need more hunters, not less, if our sport is to survive. Hunters...