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I wasn’t necessarily trying to defend the CWMU program, just saying that making people use their points to purchase a CWMU tag is not going to sit well with the CWMU hunters or owners. I have had mixed experiences with CWMUs and I really don’t have any strong feelings one way or another if the...

Not sure what I said to trigger the H bomb? I think it could jeopardize the CWMU program because the success of the CWMU program depends largely on the willingness of landowners to participate. The landowners expect hunters to pay top dollar for CWMU vouchers. Although many people would still...

Perhaps this is true most of the time, but I was offered an opportunity to buy a discounted CWMU voucher that someone had already purchased and decided to opt out. I would not have done it if it erased my points. I would not underestimate the frugality of wealthy people. It would not have been...

I guess you got all the facts.

No, purchase of a CWMU tag should not cost points because this would disincentivize people from buying these tags and it could jeopardize the whole CWMU program.

I misused the term PP, but Utah actually treats their BPs like PP for half of the permits as they allocate half of the permits to applicants with the most BPs. So I really should have suggested to cap BPs at some level, preferably at a level that is several points above the current maximum...

I think that the Utah’s 50:50 PP/BP system is okay, but I think they should cap the number of PP as soon as possible. A person with 30 PPs should have as much chance as anybody else to draw a PP permit. At some point, enough is enough.

Random is probably best, but bonus points or bonus points squared is defensible. Utah’s 50:50 PP/BP has some merit, but the long-term outlook for the PP permits is bleak. Eventually PP permits will be reserved for people that live the longest. It doesn’t really make sense to have a system where...

The DWR folks are just people. I presume many of them are hunters. I think people often come up with ideas that serve themselves over the interest of others. This is one of those ideas. Did they do this intentionally? Maybe not, but they did not go out of their way to think about downstream...

Why not include the female (doe/cow) in the same draw with bucks and bulls? There is already point creep in the cow elk draw, so why not just put these in with the bull elk draw? Is a cow hunt really any different than a spike bull hunt? I think most states lump male and female in the same...

The proposal outlined in the OP has two parts. The first part involves the way that deer tags are allocated. It has potential to address point creep, which is a real problem imo. The second part involves the deer hunting seasons. I agree with you that this is a bunch of BS. Seems like UT...

Yes, they can get LL tag if they fail to draw a LE tag, but they will not accrue new points if they accept the the LL tag. It does give the LLs an advantage over “everyone else”, but it seems like a reasonable compromise to me. Just for the record, I am not a LL person and I think the LL system...

In this proposal, I believe that “everyone else” loses all points if they draw a tag. The LLs only lose points if they draw a LE tag, and they have option to gain a point if they decline the option to take their GS permit.

You are asking for trouble taking long shots, especially on the opening day of a general season hunt. It is unlikely, or very lucky, that you will anchor that deer down without having him get up and attract the attention of other hunters that might be closer than you are. They end up making the...

Meh

It has potential to help address point creep.

The GS deer hunts that you have preference points for were never intended to be managed as limited entry units. Many of these units still provide good success rates and they have potential to produce big bucks, but most of the deer taken in those units are not trophy size. If that sounds like...

I have avoided hunting areas with known CWD so I believe that the animals I take have been CWD free. Just to be clear, I don’t believe there is any evidence that CWD can jump to humans and that venison is as wholesome or more wholesome than anything I can get in the store.

Although the MD committee and “Dax” might be aware of this proposal, as you mention in your OP, I don’t think the UDWR has posted anything on their website concerning this matter. I am not aware of any mention of this matter in any of the RAC or WB agendas or meetings. I am not aware that they...

There are good arguments to be made for having a totally random draw, but I feel like Utah passed that turn when they started giving out points. I could see pulling the rug out if we were only a few years into it, but pulling the rug out on people that have 10, 20, or even 30 points is brutal. I...

It is my understanding that one of the two men, known acquaintances, was confirmed CJD and one exhibited sudden onset of aggression and confusion before death. The fact that one of these men had CJD does not by itself demonstrate any link to CWD, but both men dying of CJD would be a very...

These are good points, but there will always be great opportunities for successful people to hunt and contribute to wildlife conservation with or without these auction tags. They don’t need to go anti if they stop the auctions.

My main concerns with the high-dollar auction tags are 1) it has spawned an industry of people searching for money bucks, money bulls, and money rams, and 2) it creates a situation where the Wildlife Board and the DWR has to manage units to produce high-dollar trophies (they can’t do anything...

The idea of offering the 3rd archery season has absolutely nothing to do with the problems leading to the need to combine the General and LE hunt into one pool. People are taking advantage of this committee to get something that they want for themselves.

The third archery season is obviously an opportunity grab by someone(s) on the committee. This is typical of how things work in Utah, but it comes as no surprise to me. I also have some concern with the idea of combining points that people have accumulated from the General and LE hunts...

Perhaps in some cases anti-hunters are just making assumptions, but in many cases they will intentionally use stories like this to support their narrative and advance their goals even if they know this is not representative of hunters. As far as the rest of the population, it is very likely that...

Anti-hunters and the large percentage of the people that do not care one way or the other about hunting, will in fact assume that he is a hunter and that this is related to hunting.

I’d probably take the GS hunt for the reasons you mentioned (better weather, less people, cool country). However, if I had already killed some sheep with rifle, but not bow, then that might be enough of a reason for me to try my hand with a bow. Personally, I’ve never been sheep hunting, so I...

The title of this thread is misses the mark on a serious problem. This story is a black eye for all hunters and it gives the anti- hunters a segue to peddle their agenda.

I have a Ridgeline in 7 Rem Mag. It shoots MOAish with most loads and sub MOA with some loads. It was also a bit expensive for my budget, but it is my best gun and I think it was a worthy purchase.

I’m very happy with my VX5-HD and I have had good experiences with Leopold. They fixed my eyepiece on a spotting scope and replaced lost turret caps, free of charge and no questions asked.

Supply chains are getting better, but you could have really got top dollar a couple years ago. I’d be wary of buying or selling old powder at low prices, unless you are sure the buyer is knowledgeable and responsible. There are easy ways of disposing powder.

I do not know the history of this unit very well, but I have hunted deer in what is now 101 and 102. I remember being surprised by the number of elk that we saw in 101, but I also remember seeing a number of feral horses. I’d like to know how the population (number) of feral horses fits into...

If it were as simple as reducing the buck doe ratio then I’m pretty confident that mule deer would not be in decline. I don’t buy that BS for one second. At one point the biologist said something about “death by a thousand cuts” or something to that effect, which is probably a lot more truthful.

I don’t like have a bipod attached to my rifle. I have seen some detachable ones that pique my interest, but at this point I refuse to buy another bipod. I have been using a relatively cheap shooting stick that folds out into a bipod and has a tremendous range of height. It basically functions...

I have not spent a lot of time hunting these Idaho units, but your report is pretty close to my own experience. I also know that elk can be hard to find and they can disappear just when you think you have it all figured out.

Caught a large snapping turtle when I was bobber fishing from a little 14’ fishing boat with my dad, uncle and cousin. I remember my bobber took off like Jaws dragging an empty keg and it was all I could do to real it up to the boat. There was a lot of excitement, until we saw the beast come up...

I like archery hunting, but I generally prefer cold weather hunting associated with the rifle hunts. It is so much easier to take care of the meat in cold weather. Hunting big game in hot weather turns me off.

It looks wide to me, absolutely no hesitation in any area that I have ever hunted.

Yes, I stand corrected, preference points.