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I don't know what it would weigh, but I would like to compliment your taxidermist. That is one of the most realistic mounts I have seen.

Cannonball: Yes we need to manage all the predators and quit catering to a few squeaky wheels. This would benefit the whole state of Utah. Lloyd Nielson

LAST EDITED ON Dec-31-10 AT 07:56AM (MST)[p]RE: BBop Just for your information Lloyd! You should know what goes on in that area better than me,You live there! Apparently I do. It seems you don't know anything about it. Don't tell me the Huntin pressure doesn't move Deer on to Private...

RE:BBop "Good GAWD wimpy! You live in Blanding & never see RoadKills? You ever venture clear up to Monticello? Almost dangerous to drive stretch & you claim almost no roadkills? I'm calling BULLSSHIT on that one! And I don't even live there!" B Bop: Just for your information, in case you...

RE: To me it's several things Blanding

RE: To me it's several things Blanding

RE: To me it's several things Very few, if any, a year. But LOTS of predators. -Lloyd Nielson

RE: To me it's several things Fishon: It not about revenue. You know how much money is lost by keeping the PREDATORS on a draw, instead of a quota while taking the same amount of PREDATORS off a unit. There are so many examples of Proposal 2 across the state. None of them are increasing the...

Pumaguy, I do respect your opinion. In my opinion, when the division comes down here and holds a special meeting, and in it admits that we have a bear problem, increasing the tags by ten permits is not even handling the number the bears increase by, let alone getting a hold on the problem. As...

I know we are all tired of RAC meetings and fighting about the best solutions for the deer herd, but if you believe, as I do, that the bears are as hard on the fawns as anything out there, then you need to be to the RAC meetings to voice your opinions about lowering the bear numbers. I posted...

Here in southeastern Utah, when the white settlers came, there were very few deer and no elk. The grass was documented to be belly-deep to the horses. At the turn of the century, the cattle were brought in to eat all the old grass, and all the predators were managed as predators and shot on...

This is laughable. Where were you guys when I was trying to warn you about the twelve-year cougar plan that was passed last year? [http://www.monstermuleys.info/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.pl?az=show_thread&om=14589&forum=DCForumID5&archive=yes] If you are really worried about your deer herd, you...

My granddaughter with some sheds her dad found.

Ike, This plan could be amended, but it would take a whole lot of pushing and support from a lot of people. Lloyd Nielson Sunrise Outfitting

Dry: You need to find the facts out, but we have to find out the facts somehow, so sometimes you have to ask the hard questions. All questions of importance need to be asked; if there is nothing to hide, then it only benefits S.F.W. or any other organization for that matter. If there is nothing...

Thanks, Ike. I too, have been a strong supporter of SFW in the past; I do realize they have done a lot of good for our wildlife. That's why I can't understand why they just endorse a twelve-year plan without input from their members, except maybe their board. The units that remain harvest...

Don, for your information they split the San Juan Unit into two--one being the San Juan, the other the Elk Ridge. Putting the San Juan in the split season, this does nothing but hurt the hunters, and makes it harder to manage the lions. And yes, they kept the Elk Ridge in the harvest objective...

Well Don, there you go, you got the great and famous HoundDawg on your side now. Hope it is worth it. Funny thing is both you and John Bair have admitted that putting these Units in split season makes no sense, yet John still voted to doing that in his RAC. Ike, all units except the ones...

Don, Going back to your response to me, that was a very politically correct response; however, it did not touch any of the three questions that I asked you. But let me respond to your post: You say the hunters get a chance for a more quality hunt; I know of at least five toms that were...

Don Peay, I've never known you to be quiet about something you believed in. What's wrong, cat got your tongue; or something else.

30plus: You have not heard me complain about the number of tags that they give out. That is the great thing about the harvest objective -- you determined how many lions you need harvested, then when you hit that number the unit closes. You say that the new plan will stabilize the lion...

Fullcry: That is what everybody says-- that I am just an outfitter that is just out for himself. If I was just in it for the money, I would not be outfitting. Tell me why an outfitter cannot care about the lions, to want to have them managed in the way that is best for them. Muley_73: I...

LAST EDITED ON Aug-30-09 AT 10:27AM (MST)[p]I didn't think that anybody would try to answer my question about the spilt season. Truth is, it only hurts the hunter and doesn't benefit anybody. This year I purchased a Harvest Ojbective cougar tag. I can hunt any harvest objective unit that is...

Well, runamuk, Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife supporting a 12-year cougar plan that is totally 180 degrees from what he was supporting is NOT normal every day SFW stuff, in my opinion, and I think it deserves a response. runamuk, since you seem to know, would you please tell me when you knew...

Well, runamuk, Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife supporting a 12-year cougar plan that is totally 180 degrees from what he was supporting is NOT normal every day SFW stuff, in my opinion, and I think it deserves a response. runamuk, since you seem to know, would you please tell me when you knew...

LAST EDITED ON Aug-27-09 AT 09:01PM (MST)[p]In 1995, I sat right beside you in the Southeastern RAC meeting and helped you push the change from limited entry to harvest objective (quota) for the 12-year cougar plan. Since Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife was one of the main components to develop...

Dean: Let's go back a few years ago when the whole state of Utah was a draw, and the RAC meeting was filled with sportsmen, land owners, cattlemen, etc,. saying that this was not working, we need the lions thinned down. So then, most of the state went to the quota with too high of numbers, so...

John, I am not the one who is up in the night, it's you that is posting at 10:42 P.M. while I am in bed. I have never said that the houndsmen support quota units. I am well aware that the Federation of Houndsmen support the limited entry plans. My hat goes off to them for all they have...

Since I have stirred it up, I thought I would explain myself. I have been hunting these lions for 29 years, and guiding them professionally 17 years. Going to the lions? meeting every year since before they were called RAC meetings. As far as this Lion Plan goes, I think that for the...

Dean, the argument for the quota vs. the draw is that the houndsmen feel that with the quota, the lions are overharvested. Instead of lowering the numbers on the quota, they figure they can put out X amount of draw tags, and a good majority of them will not get filled. The argument for the...

LAST EDITED ON Aug-01-09 AT 11:19 AM (MST) "If you want to talk to Byron, Man up and call him." I have called and talked to Byron. "You told me on the phone that you hated lions and hunted them to kill them." John, do not twist my words around. I told you on the phone that most houndsmen in...

LAST EDITED ON Aug-01-09 AT 11:19AM (MST)[p]"If you want to talk to Byron, Man up and call him." I have called and talked to Byron. "You told me on the phone that you hated lions and hunted them to kill them." John, do not twist my words around. I told you on the phone that most houndsmen in...

FullCry, Thanks for your input. That's what I have been trying to show Utah's RAC members, that every state around us uses harvest objective, and that it seems to work the best. But they are not listening to anybody's opinion except their own.

I've been reading through their management plan again, and came up with two more questions for Byron Bateman. I noticed in the goals that there is no mention of hunting opportunity, and just have to wonder why someone who is supposed to be representing sportsmen didn't push for that? In the...

Yes, I am, since 1996. We run as a volunteer department. So don't get hurt in San Juan, because it just might be me that shows up.

HoundDawg, they are trying to make San Juan a split season this year. If the proposed plan passes, then any unit that goes off of predator management will either be limited entry or split season. I am not questioning the amount of lions that are up north. I do not hunt there, so I do not know...

Sportsmen are taking it in the shorts! Especially if you are a SFW member. When SFW first started in Utah, it was pushing for the sportsmen. Don Peay personally came to the RAC meetings and the DWR to fight hard to get the lions off of limited entry, and on to a quota system, so they could be...

Whether you are for harvest objective or against it, you need to write to the RAC members or attend a RAC meeting this week. There's a ten-year plan that is pushing all units to go to draws. I believe that the draw system has too many variables: hunters drawing tags that have no means to get...

I'm curious to see how the MonsterMuley members think the best way to manage the lions are---draws or harvest objective? Utah is gradually working back so that all units are total draws or split season. All the states bordering Utah are using harvest objective. I feel that the draws limit the...

I think it is time for me to weigh in on this. I asked Utah400Elk to PM me with some answers to questions I had. I would like to thank him for replying to me. The reason that his post was deleted was because I shared with the founder that I did not believe he could be talking about me. When he...