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I would suggest only use a guide if you want access to private ground. Not sure what a trespass fee would cost if it is even an option for access to Deseret ranch.

This is as real as it gets...Utah wants a team. We have already pre-approved funds for a new arena. https://www.ksl.com/article/50936222/utah-lawmakers-approve-downtown-nbanhl-arena-bill-as-they-seek-vibrant-capital

While you all are there, can you say a few Hail Mary's and put my name in the prayer bucket so that I will draw a good elk tag this year. TIA.

@wstrntines you should try hunting with family and friends sometime. I think you may like it. The success rate is something like 10% on the spike hunts. Plenty of spikes are surviving into mature bulls. The spike hunt has zero impact on the overall hurd population growth, provides a more...

And several hundred cow elk tags across several sub-areas of the big bull unit boundaries.

My guess is that not all hunters had reported their harvest in time for the publishing date of the harvest data report. The hunt ended on Jan 31st and hunters have 30 days to report their harvest.

Curious... Did the tribal harassment only occur during this 2 week hunt (9/25 thru 10/6)? Does the DWR have solid proof of the harassment? The reason I ask is because all 5 of the other buffalo hunts for this same unit after Oct 7th were 80% successful. Why would the Indian rez only harass...

The late season archery bull buffalo hunt on Henry's also had zero success. 0/5 averaging 7 hunt days. I really hope they don't give points back. It is called hunting, not killing.

Based on the article and the sentiment of most non-res hunters on this thread, the special price increase is nothing short of a smashing success. Almost all of the NR posts on this thread are happy to pay the special price and would gladly pay more to hunt elk in WY if that means hunting elk in...

right. I am not following this logic. I don't know any other western state that is charging $2000 for a general season type of elk tag where the expectation is a rag horn class bull on public land.

No doubt Liecabucks is a stand up guy but life happens and a lot can change between now and the hunt. In general I would say point sharing between strangers on the internet without monetary compensation has a fair amount of risk. It also introduces an interesting dynamic when it comes to...

So how does one make sure this guy follows through with his commitment to help a feller out for point sharing...because once the application is submitted and tags are in hands, he can ride off in to the sunset with you in his rear view mirror telling you to pound sand and nothing you can do...

If you have your heart set on the bighorns, I would at minimum find another fellow Monster Muler who has 5-8 points and offer to apply as a group if they pay your tag fees...

BTW...welcome to MM. You are a brave soul to create a brand new account and have your first post be a "give me info" thread. It has not worked out well for most who have gone down this road...especially true in the Wy section 😁

If you have max points 18 and are considering units like 38 or 39 which take about half those points 9-10, you are losing a lot of value. It is a little late for in the 2024 draw cycle but you may want to consider teaming up with an outfitter who will give you a significantly reduced (maybe...

Randy Newburg shared the same thought in a recent YouTube video stating that Wy is a top 3 best value elk hunt in the west for non-res. @Iowan If you look at the non-res draw data for the past 3 years, you and Randy may want to change your thought process. Things have changed drastically in Wy...

This is true. I have to laugh at the hunt info websites that claim to have a "proprietary" odds predictor model available for purchase. If they truly had the ability to predict human behavior from year to year, then screw a stupid hunt'n website and take that model to wall street and make...

If only we could "enhance" the system to make it a closed loop system and not allow in new entrants, then we could get a tag every year. In other words, outfitter and landowner transferable tags!

Agreed. The average point creep rate for limited quota elk tags in the last 3 years is .73 pref points. So if you are starting this year at zero and you want to draw a tag that takes 10 points this year, plan on drawing that tag in 25+ years.

As I get ready to spend my non-res Wyoming elk points, I wanted to understand each area's point creep rate over time so I know if I have a realistic shot of drawing (based on history). If a unit's point creep rate is growing at pace greater than or equal to my accrual of 1 point per year, I...

I think the bigger driver is the fact that Vista is looking to sell off their shooting sports division and trying to bolster their valuation leading up to the sell.

Sounds like a bunch of cry babies stuck in the 1990's..."the good ol days" In short, they want the government to help them monopolize and control private access to vast amounts of public forest in the form of permits and not allow competition to operate in "there" area. Total bull sh#t.

I am 100% in favor of the new elk management plan. I would rather hunt for mature bulls (4-5 years old) with my boys a few times while my health allows than hunt for inches once in my lifetime. One fact remains...there are more elk hunters in the field today than 25 years ago and the demand is...

Yesterday, I saw this big 27ish inch 4 point buck chasing a few does hard by the Jordan River trail near Garner Village

right...that is not far off. In the past 5-6 years, the non-res tags in G have been reduced by nearly 80%. Yet region G is as crowded as ever. It is going to be a long road to recovery in region G with the population explosion in the Star Valley and Jackson Hole area combined with unlimited...

I am curious if the extremely low success rate this year will finally push the wy game and fish into putting a quota on resident tags for region G... https://wyofile.com/western-wyomings-big-buck-country-country-sees-slowest-hunt-in-30-years/

Congrats on the bull. I think having a 2nd muzzleloader readily available for a quick follow up shot is flirting with what is legal and 100% crossed a moral line. Muzzleloader only hunts are intended to be a more primitive hunt to give the game a little more advantage to escape. That...

I was at Sportsman's Warehouse tonight and they had a whole shelf full of BH 209 powder for $79. 99 per 8 oz bottle. I guess that is not too bad if you already spent $6000 on your best of the west / gun works long range muzzleloader.

I will be hunting big bull elk this fall...

Bear hunting in Utah must be really slow right now. I have yet to see a 2023 social media bear post from the Mossback crew .

How was the opening weekend of the spring bear hunt? I was driving Highway 6 over the weekend and was stunned at how much snow is still on the Nebo unit. Glad I did not draw my bear tag this year. It got me thinking...How do bears survive the huge snow pack so late in the season? Do they know...

as they say...Idaho is full sending it!

Looks like the IT guy messed up and sent me an early email that should have been a test. The website says emails will go out on Friday. I just got an email with subject line below "TEST UDWR 2023 Black Bear and Cougar Draw - Results" This is the worst part...

We are headed down tomorrow morning to help a cow hunter for a few a days. Then I have a family friend who has an Archery Bull tag that starts on Wednesday. So I have plans to be down there for the whole week.

Drew a Southern tag

Nine months from now you can be packing out an elk or changing diapers. Which do you choose?

A day later and Midway is out of stock again.

Yeah, they weren't hard to find until all the boutique gun makers started make long range muzzleloaders with the same UML ignition system.

Midway USA has Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader primers in stock for the first time in about a year. Get'em while they last... https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1016764695?pid=344736