My only experience is with 8x binos and see the need for a higher magnification top quality tripod bino, I'm always wanting to see the details on the next ridge over! The 8x just can't do it. The 12x50 Euros are on sale now at 799, I will be using these in the Southwest US on deer, antelope and elk hunts. I am a little reluctant to go with a 12x as the magnification might be too low. What do you guys think?