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A WORD ABOUT THE AMERICAN ECONOMY

remember that the incoming President inherited a fragile geopolitical landscape, record budget deficit and massive Treasury debt, more than half of which is held by foreigners. While efforts at job creation will result in more cash in people?s pockets in the short run, this cash will be worth less and less as the government borrows more and more. In contrast, sustainable and realistic solutions require an overall reduction of government influence as the US takes the ?medicine? of time and needed adjustments to reach a genuine economic healing.

The underlying problem in the US is that the nation has no sufficient savings to support sound lending. Our addiction to credit, driven, as it were, by greed, selfishness and fear, has generated an unmanageable fiscal crisis. Debt has become a major player in our economic character, so much so that it is now tipping the scales and jeopardizing the fragile balance of our entire fiscal-based economy. While ?experts? try to manage this critical imbalance by tweaking interest rates, taxes and entitlement programs, they remain ignorant of the fact that savings and debt, like gravity or seasonal climate changes, are unchangeable and inescapable universal laws that cannot be ignored without consequences.

Desperately attempting to fix the fiscal troubles and ease public concerns not only in the US but across the world (where the US dollar is still the main currency of reserve), the Federal Reserve is actually creating more imbalances, only prolonging the inevitable. At the end of the day, their only option is to print more currency, therefore inflating and weakening the dollar.

MEDICINE IS RARELY SWEET

A healthy economy, whether national or personal, needs a savings pool proportionate to its debt pool. Our national leadership should encourage people to save money while rewarding productivity in the private sector. This includes raising interest rates to reward savings, reducing government spending, and cutting taxes in order to rebuild the American economic system from the inside out. This may be a bitter pill to swallow in the short run, as most medicine is, yet it is the only sustainable way forward.

If liberal economic policies, however, will continue injecting loose money into the economy, inducing more debt rather than allowing savings and obligations to align, the US will need to brace for a potential system shock and even a monetary collapse. In other words, if the government continues to infuse ?fiscal drugs? into the sick markets in order to mask the real symptoms of unchecked greed, massive debt, and widespread corruption, rather than addressing the disease, the likelihood of a major system collapse increases.

Should this play out (and we are not certain that it must), international markets and currencies will follow the US in this great shaking. As a result, the global balance of powers could fragment into four primary regions: North America, Europe, Asia and the Middle East, generating increasing social unrest, economic hardships, and geopolitical conflict, creating a greater occasion for a One World Government which many already espouse to.

In fact, as we write these words, high level discussions are being held regarding the formation of ?global governance? (including international taxation and a global TV channel) by the World Economic Forum (WEF) that is meeting in Switzerland these very days. The WEF is not an official government group but does include more than 100 government, corporate and labor leaders in this group of ?strategic global partners? who meet annually.

This is not the scenario we wish for. Yet, an honest look at the snowballing imbalances that continue to plague our economy shows that they have to be resolved one way or another. The US will either experience a fundamental correction in the very spirit and values of its socio-economic behavior, or will experience a system collapse. Herein lie the critical issues we all face as our troubled, leaderless world, gropes through this increasing darkness.
 
where were all these fiscal hawks when the economy was going great, and we were running up the deb't? is the memory a bit short? A major problem is the average consumer isn't creating demand because he is out of work or the cost of living is so high he has no extra money, I would say the average joe spent too much and saved to little no doubt, but we have a problem here and bringing this into a full blown depression isn't going to help. in fact it will hurt so much that some of the right wings favorite spending programs might be in trouble. So maybe we should try to get people working and try to prevent a depression, I mean all of us together
 
Piper,

The government is only making the coming collapse worse. Read today's paper, at time when all other payrolls are shrinking government payrolls are set to increase dramatically. Government is a drain on our economy period and more government is more of a drain.

I don't see the rest of the world buying our debt when we arrogantly put "buy American" into the bailout bill. We are going to ask China, Japan and S.Korea to finance a bloated bill and then tell them we don't want their products.

The coming collapse of the dollar is going to destroy the middle class and there is not much Obama can do about it. The dollar is a highly flawed currency and is not going to be the worlds reserve currency much longer.

This bailout or stimulus or what ever in the end is like fighting a fire with gasoline. Solving our overspending problem with more spending is just giving a drunk a drink.

Nemont
 
I don't like the government payrolls increasing either, Many economists believe that the lack of government spending by the hoover admn. led to the great depression or something like that anyway. I personally would rather see some inflation rather than a major depression, and I don't want to see a larger gap between the working class and the wealthy when this shakes out, putting productive people out of work seems like a poor way to solve our problem, and Isn't Japan one of the biggest per capita debtor nations in the world? so how is the let the market work solution going to solve our health care mess? our military spending mess? our government giveaway mess? I really want to know, every clinic is still going to have the back parking lot packed with exotic foreign sports cars, and their still going to give out mind blowing bills to everyone. we are still going to spend far more on the military than we need, were still going to lock everyone up for for growing plants and spend billions taking care of them. Sometimes it boils down to how efficient the country runs its major needs and we fail pretty badly at that.
 
a couple of Jesus freaks wrote that piece, Reuven & Mary Lou Doron.

Perhaps I'm not smart enough to get into this conversation, all I know is what's at stake here, this is looking more like a preparation for a one world government, which means we as Americans will lose our soverency. (spelling) ?....

After watching this morning, world leaders are discussing the world economy and them asking, Quote "can one man change the world" the election of Obama, that is scary also.

I sit here in my hotel room watchin the boob, and have seen two different programs with world leaders discussing the economy, seeem like they all are betting on Obama, again scary!

I had a dream one year ago, I was walking down fisherman?s Warf in San Francisco, and I saw naval ships that had a UN symbol on then and they were gathering people up and martial law was in effect?....
 
Buy American, that's right, and it should be in the bill.

If we had been buying American the whole time that would mean we would still have a manufacturing base in this country and we wouldn't be in near as bad of a mess. if we're afraid the Chinese won't loan us the money to buy their crap what kind of a recovery are you looking for? thats an extension of business as usual. if we're not borrowing the money to put Americans to work then we may as well roll over right now.
 
Borrowing money is what has got us in the mess we are in now, how will borrowing more get us out of it? Nonsensical at best, costly in many ways at worst.

PRO

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A little tidbit I heard on the news today. The GOP members of Congress have stated they will vote "No" on the economic package being pushed by the Democratic members. The reason given was that the GOP stated it would be a failure and our economy will collapse.
Obama has come back and is telling his Democratic party members that he wants them to allow the GOP to have input into the plan. Is he truly being bi-partisan, or is he fearful that in the event of a failure as predicted, the Democratic party will be the ones to face the wrath of the voters.

RELH
 
is Obama the only one who cares at all what happens to the economy? I really get sick of these partasian baby games
 
Piper;

The real reason, "why does he care", is the meat of the whole ball of wax. Is he truly being bi-partisan for the reason of getting this country on it's feet again. Or is he just playing the partisan game to protect himself and his followers if the roof falls in on their plan and wants to shift some of the blame elsewhere. Only time will tell, and we may have that answer in the next couple of years.

RELH
 
I think he wants bipartisan support because he said he'd seek it, just like he's chosen Gregg as commerce seretary.

If Obama fails on the economy he's going to be held accountable, support from the republicans would make him look better but in the end Obama will be the one to answer. if by some freak chance he succeeds and the economy greatly improves in the next 4 years the republicans will go extinct, they have as much to lose as Obama .

My hope is the republicans will push to make whatever stimulus we end up with the best it can be, if all they want to do is oppose Obama with no plan to help I doubt voters will give them much credit if Obama fails, and no credit if he succeeds.
 
I predict that by the end of 2010 we'll all be sick of Obama and his economic policies. And this mess we're in right now will be much worse.

my 2 cents.
 
I think you might be right, but I also think the Wizard of Oz couldn't have fixed this mess.
 
I predict that Obama is going to say that the further eroded economy is proof that free markets don't work and that the answer is to nationalize the whole economy. As much as I like his foreign policy is how much I detest his monetary policy.



Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-03-09 AT 04:40PM (MST)[p]NeMont, man I hope your wrong on that! Being more of a slave than I already am is simply not an option.
 
>I predict that Obama is going
>to say that the further
>eroded economy is proof that
>free markets don't work and
>that the answer is to
>nationalize the whole economy.
> As much as I
>like his foreign policy is
>how much I detest his
>monetary policy.
>
>
>
>Nemont


could you put than in laymens terms please?
 
>"could you put than in laymens terms please?"

We're screwed.

And we should'a hired Ron Paul.


Seriously though, whether your Rep, or Dem, you gotta be pulling for all these guys in D.C. to come together and get us to a spot where this is going to be as least painful as possible.....if thats even possible.
 
whats funny though is we expect the very same people that created this mess to fix it.

manny, I think he means the government will control all business...socialism. Or like some Britains call their country whose government controls about 55% of their economy...Soviet Britain. We could call each other comrades from Amerika.
 
>whats funny though is we expect
>the very same people that
>created this mess to fix
>it.
>
>manny, I think he means the
>government will control all business...socialism.
>Or like some Britains call
>their country whose government controls
>about 55% of their economy...Soviet
>Britain. We could call each
>other comrades from Amerika.


thanks, thats what i thought.....
 

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