Brace yourselves, this bull is 317, never shoot a bull off of first impressions, study it for a while, this bull only had back ends I think the fourths were 19 and the fifths were 18, the back end throws you off he is compacted which means all the points are close which gives him a short beam 45. But given the unit it is still a great bull, this was a LaSal bull which isn't known for the biggest bull, but though the unit is getting better. If I get a shot at his brother during my hunt, I will shoot because it is a good looking bull.