Harry, i know the truth as far as i could figure it. i know the guy that is listed as the owner of the buck in question in the record books and i know Kirt. i'm convinced that they are not the same buck. Kirt has photos of it in the back of a 70's model ford pickup with the antlers still attached to the skull and the skull still attached to the neck and front quarters. there was also a carbon 14 test done by some guy at the university of Arizona who is supposed to be the best c-14 guy in the world and he said the buck came from the time that Kirt said he killed it and not the 40's. Kirt's buck is wider and has more points, according to the score sheets for the 2 bucks. but the deal that cinched it for me was when Duard Sanford, who is listed as the owner of the buck in question, told me, not someone else who told me, that that buck in question had been dropped and skull plate was broken and repaired with fiberglass. Kirt's buck has not been repaired. Duard was also firmly convinced that his buck is the one Kirt has. if you went to court with that kinda evidence, who would win? plus the whole mess was started by a guy who was later convicted of some of the sickest crap with little kids that you ever heard off. including taking nude photos in the morgue, of a little girl who was raped and murdered in a cotton field. i spent a lot of time trying to get an opinion. i think Kirt was wrongly persecuted.