Thanks guys. There were no powder burns! The wide buck was mine he was right at 30inches, very different rack for sure. It really messed me up when I was glassing him. I really was trying to get my brother in-law on him and he ended up coming right at me, so what the heck. That is my son with smaller 4x4, his first Nevada trip. He made a great 320yrd shot. My dad really got lucky. This 6x8 was in a good spot we could get my dad to without wearing him out. He got excited and plled on the safty first! I won't let him forget that anytime soon. Got lucky and drew again this year. A-zone in Cal. only two weeks and found my buck this morning, hope he stays around.