China $323.32 billion

Hmmm? You would have thunk the Cheerleaders would be on here telling me how China is at the brink of default and licking Trump's boots to get a deal done and a wonderful beautiful one.





Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.
 
This sure didn't get much comment from the chumps.

Guess they're too busy trying to get a sniff of Cortez's panties.













Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
deficits and debt . WINNING !!!



So what will the talking points be if we continue to slide towards recession ? where are the tax cut benefits that were going to pay for themselves ? what about the debt as tax receipts slide lower ?

I don't expect you chumps to respond this time either but at least admit how dumb you are for drinking the kool aid.


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wall-street-opens-lower-global-143430937.html













Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>deficits and debt . WINNING
>!!!
>
>
>
>So what will the talking points
>be if we continue to
>slide towards recession ?
> where are the tax
>cut benefits that were going
>to pay for themselves ?
> what about the debt
>as tax receipts slide lower
>?
>
>I don't expect you chumps to
>respond this time either but
>at least admit how dumb
>you are for drinking the
>kool aid.
>
>
>https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wall-street-opens-lower-global-143430937.html
>
>
>
>


I guess as long as he doesn't doubled the national debt he will beat Obama?s record :)
 
Those are the words of a moron.


Trump won't have 8 years or he's crush Obama's debt. and he'll never have the chance to fulfil his promise of eliminating the debt in his second term either. so sad I would have liked to have seen that.

Little punks like you make me feel better about it though and for that I thank you. when you turn 18 you'll start off with a chitload of debt right out of the box. I like that.












Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
So sad. I don't care. I am in my 40s now. By the time you idiot impact the country I will have lined my pocket so deep that I don't care. Do what you want. My kids will fix your problems if you demand to ruin this country.

Again I make the point that as long as he doesn't doubled the national debt he will beat Barack Obama.

I personally think Trump does not want to be elected again in 2020. I think this government shutdown is going to piss off a lot of people. Even Republicans eventually because they don't have the backbone. But I think Trump wants to be on his private island in his private jet with his beautiful wife. He is getting old. In fact he already is old. I doubt he wants to spend the last few years of his life trying to fix the problems that you want to create. He would rather enjoy it with his billions. And I would do the same thing. I would gladly turn my back on you. I would let you have exactly what you want.

I personally think Trump does not want to be elected again in 2020. I think this government shutdown is going to piss off a lot of people. Even Republicans eventually because they don't have the backbone. But I think Trump wants to be on his private island in his private jet with his beautiful wife. He is getting old. In fact he already is old. I doubt he wants to spend the last few years of his life trying to fix the problems that you want to create. He would rather enjoy it with his billions. And I would do the same thing. I would gladly turn my back on you. I would let you have exactly what you want. You would regulate yourself in this country so deep in debt that you would beg for another president to only double the national debt.
 
If someone as immature as you is truly in their 40's you're phuked . and I don't mean that in a good way, I mean life is going to pound you as hard as your tricks who bend you over their hood.


GFYS you're boring.













Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
>
>
>If someone as immature as you
>is truly in their 40's
>you're phuked . and
>I don't mean that in
>a good way, I mean
>life is going to pound
>you as hard as your
>tricks who bend you over
>their hood.
>
>
>GFYS you're boring.
>
>
>
>


Again if you're the adult in the room then I am glad to be immature :). You just proved that you are the most mature LOL

Again I will make the point if Trump only spends $10 trillion he beats Barack Obama. If he stays under 40 trillion he beats Barack Obama LOL

Your president. The really smart one. Doubled the national debt :)
 
>
>
>Again if you're the adult in
>the room then I am
>glad to be immature :).
>You just proved that you
>are the most mature LOL
>
>
>Again I will make the point
>if Trump only spends $10
>trillion he beats Barack Obama.
>If he stays under 40
>trillion he beats Barack Obama
>LOL
>
>Your president. The really smart one.
>Doubled the national debt :)
>

So the standard is to not double the national debt? "Just" adding another $10 Trillion is "winning". Do you hold any core conservative values you aren't willing to sell out to Trump over?



Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.
 
Nemont, just who you have in mind to replace Trump that would be more conservative about reducing the national debt. So far I have seen no one that would be better who has thrown their hat into the ring for 2020.

All of the Democrats that have plan to run are left wing socialists that will bankrupt this country with their give away spending programs. I have not seen any worthwhile GOP that will run against Trump that is not a RINO and would cave in to the Dems on more money down the drain supporting welfare poor and illegal immigrants.

RELH
 
>
>>
>>
>>Again if you're the adult in
>>the room then I am
>>glad to be immature :).
>>You just proved that you
>>are the most mature LOL
>>
>>
>>Again I will make the point
>>if Trump only spends $10
>>trillion he beats Barack Obama.
>>If he stays under 40
>>trillion he beats Barack Obama
>>LOL
>>
>>Your president. The really smart one.
>>Doubled the national debt :)
>>
>
>So the standard is to not
>double the national debt?
>"Just" adding another $10 Trillion
>is "winning". Do you
>hold any core conservative values
>you aren't willing to sell
>out to Trump over?
>
>
>
>

Obviously I have stated before that I would love the debt to be paid down. But what I am saying here is according to itchykid all you have to do is double the national debt to be considered a successful president :) Obama did a piss poor job on the economy and doubled the national debt and itchy kid thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread. That's all I'm saying. The Democrats standards are pretty low. I would love the debt to be paid off. I would pay $500 per month toward a special fund if they would just put it towards the debt and I knew the rest of you would do the same. If they would make Sure to put all of my money towards the debt then I would pay in a heartbeat. As long as the rest of you paid the same. I think most Americans would love to get rid of the national debt.

But who needs to pay extra when you can just do what itchy kid does and vote for presidents that double the national debt and then talk about how successful they are.
 
Relh,

What makes you believe Republicans would dare primary your beloved Trump? Kind of hard for a conservative to challenge Trump unless he/she will run as a third party candidate. That will guarantee a liberal nut job.

Imagine if Republicans were also wedded to conservative ideals but instead they are willing to accept any pretender who makes them get a thrill up their leg.

Nemont
 
Nemont in a round about way you are admitting that there is not anyone who has thrown their hat in the ring that will be a better replacement for Trump and could win the election.
If Trump was as bad as you make him out to be, there would be several GOP members that would challenge him in the primary and have started getting their war chest together.
You would be better off writing in "Porky Pig" instead of John Kasich.

RELH
 
I can guarantee that I wouldnt be voting for any major party candidate if if the election were today.

Trump is the party now and that is going to be a disaster for the party. It is like watching the captain of the Titanic steer toward the ice berg and hoping for a different outcome.

Nemont
 
Forgive me because my memory is not fantastic. Was there another Republican candidate offering to pay off the national debt in the next eight years? You act as if there was. I would love to know his name
 
Asshat,

I know thinking beyond Trump's debt is beyond you but tell me where I said anyone can deal with the debt in 8 years? Please find it. Rule one of getting out of any hole is to quit digging. Trump is still digging and you cheer him on every day. Ergo you don't truly care, you just pretend to.




Nemont
 
>Asshat,
>
>I know thinking beyond Trump's debt
>is beyond you but tell
>me where I said anyone
>can deal with the debt
>in 8 years? Please
>find it. Rule one
>of getting out of any
>hole is to quit digging.
> Trump is still digging
>and you cheer him on
>every day. Ergo you don't
>truly care, you just pretend
>to.
>
>
>

>Nemont

OK give me one other candidate that was running that said they could pay off the debt it was going to do anything about the debt. Then convinced me that I and you believe them. The only one that seems to deliver on campaign promises or at least tries is this guy. I agree he is spending money but show me somebody that wasn?t. Show me somebody that was going to get it fixed. Even Paul Ryan said he would do it with the penny plan and he bailed out. He?s now on the beach getting fat and tan with everybody else. The orange guy is the only guy that says he will do anything meaningful. Give him a Congress that backs him up And us senate that can give him 60 votes and I think you will see some movement. Heck you're already seeing movement without that. Then you also need Congress people that want to balance the budget or try to reduce it. Good luck with that.

Then you will just go off about how he is supposed to be the best deal maker in the world and he would get it done. How about you guys and Montana quit sending retards to the Senate. Then quit sending retards to the house. Convince your local Montanans to get your butts in gear
 
Utards talking about any others elected representatives is some funny stuff. Public lands transfer starts with and stays alive because of Utards and their elected congressional delegation. Every bad public lands policy has it's genesis in Utah.


I don't have to convince you of anything because of your man love for Trump you wouldn't vote for anyone else.


Congress was never meant to be a rubber stamp for any president. It is a co equal branch of government. Also the 60 vote cloture rule can be changed any time ole Mitch wants to change it so cry me a river if can't get to 60 votes.


Name a spending bill that Trump won't eventually sign. He is the president isn't he?

Show me where Trump's next proposed budget cuts the leading causes of our fiscal problems?
 
>Utards talking about any others elected
>representatives is some funny stuff.
> Public lands transfer starts
>with and stays alive because
>of Utards and their elected
>congressional delegation. Every bad
>public lands policy has it's
>genesis in Utah.
>
>
>I don't have to convince you
>of anything because of your
>man love for Trump you
>wouldn't vote for anyone else.
>
>
>
>Congress was never meant to be
>a rubber stamp for any
>president. It is a
>co equal branch of government.
> Also the 60 vote
>cloture rule can be changed
>any time ole Mitch wants
>to change it so cry
>me a river if can't
>get to 60 votes.
>
>
>Name a spending bill that Trump
>won't eventually sign. He
>is the president isn't he?
>
>
>Show me where Trump's next proposed
>budget cuts the leading causes
>of our fiscal problems?

Again you act like there is another candidate that could do a better job. Please let us know who it is. Quit holding out on us. You obviously know somebody but you just keep it secret :) it certainly isn't anybody in Montana. According to this the people in Utah would be better off giving Montanans advice about how to handle the finances.
https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings/utah

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato
 
Trump and the National Debt

???Instead of Eliminating the Debt, Trump Will Add $5.6 TrillionShareFlipPinEmail

BY?KIMBERLY AMADEO

Updated January 17, 2019

During the?2016 presidential campaign, Republican candidate?Donald Trump?promised he would?eliminate the nation?s debt in eight years. Instead, his budgets would add $8.3 trillion in four years. It would increase the U.S. debt to $25 trillion.

Read more

https://www.thebalance.com/trump-plans-to-reduce-national-debt-4114401
 
Yeah, but the failing president said in 8 years, so that means we have to reelect him and he'd pay off his 8 trillion along with the existing 20 trillion in the second 4 years.

You're not questioning hi are you ? it's not like he's ever lied before or anything.


Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
>Trump and the National Debt
>
>???Instead of Eliminating the Debt, Trump
>Will Add $5.6 TrillionShareFlipPinEmail
>
>BY?KIMBERLY AMADEO
>
>Updated January 17, 2019
>
>During the?2016 presidential campaign, Republican candidate?Donald
>Trump?promised he would?eliminate the nation?s
>debt in eight years. Instead,
>his budgets would add $8.3
>trillion in four years. It
>would increase the U.S. debt
>to $25 trillion.
>
>Read more
>
>https://www.thebalance.com/trump-plans-to-reduce-national-debt-4114401

Does it bother you that this article has so many flaws in it?

1. Does it seem right to you that they claim the tax cuts haven't worked. Last I checked we don't pay the taxes until April this year. It's pretty tough for them to have taken effect already or having any affect on the economy. It takes a few years for businesses to do research and development and build new buildings and hire people. The stimulated economy will happen probably next year if it's going to happen at all. But blaming it for not happening yet is like telling your kid you are going to Disneyland but asking them how they enjoyed it before you get there.

2. Then the article goes on to claim that 90% tax rates would be better for the economy. If that was the case wouldn't the rest of the industrialized world raise their corporate tax rates? At 21% and we are still not the lowest. Many other countries are below the United States. Trump wanted 20% but the Democrats insisted on 21%. If higher tax rates were really going to help wouldn't Venezuela be killing it?

The article went on and on and on and on but the assumptions and conclusions were based off number one and two above. It's hard to take them serious after that since the flaws in their logic are so outstanding.

Did you read this and actually believe that the United States needs to be at 90% tax rate in order to stimulate growth? And did you really think the tax cuts haven't been good for the system even though they haven't taken effect? You did didn't you? You read it and thought that LOL
 
>https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293
>
>I thought you wanted to have.
>Rational discussion. Besides, Who said
>I agree with any of
>it? I could point out
>where you're wrong but I
>have work to do.

Very interested in a rational discussion. I appreciate your link. I just gave you two reasons I dont trust the opinion of the person that wrote it. I do partially agree with you about Trump...here ya go:

a. agreed that he overpromised on debt repayment
b. agreed that he should have done something about the absurd huge budget he approved
c. agreed that he will add debt.

dont agree:
1. The article says tax reduction has not helped. I disagree. The tax rate for most Americans wont help till April...and the effects of that...adding more meat to their pockets...will take a year or so to take effect.

2. with the amazing deregulation happening on the federal level....i have posted about this earlier...reducing regulations to 1965 levels....it will take years...maybe decades for oil and gas or manufacturing to build factories..drill for oil...etc...the effect of deregulation will take time to impact the economy.

3. Tax rates cant have immediate effect unless you just issue checks like Bush did....and that was not logical. So, we need to wait and see.

4. The article claims 90% tax rates would help solve many issues. Really? What is the effect

Here are some thoughts on the tax rate and the reason the article you linked to is worse than socialism....litterally.....see Venezuela tax rate below and see that 90% is worse...:

23.03% is the worldwide corporate tax rate
21% is the US tax rate....good...we are lower than other counties which stimulates business to come here!
35 to 387% is where the US was
18% is the average rate in Europe....still lower than the US!

""In 1980, corporate tax rates around the world averaged 46.63 percent and 38.84 percent when weighted by GDP. Since then countries have recognized the impact that corporate taxes have on business investment decisions so that in 2018, the average is now 23.03 percent and 26.47 when weighted by GDP for 208 separate tax jurisdictions.[1]""

34% Venezuela

anyway....go on and read the article. I agree with the fact that the national debt is a problem.

However

1. your democrat president WAS THE WORST IN HISTORY AT SOLVING THE DEBT!!!! HE SPENT AS MUCH AS GEORGE WASHINGTON TO GEORGE BUSH!! THAT IS INSANE...took the debt from about 10T to about 20T in JUST 8 YEARS!

2. Trump is the best bet! Hillary wasnt going to do it...if she would have promised ONLY THAT...to pay down the debt....I ...YES ME....I WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR HER! Litterally no one else is offering to pay down the debt!

3. Would you complain about him anyway...even if he did make progress on the debt? Likely huh?

https://taxfoundation.org/corporate-tax-rates-around-world-2018/
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-24-19 AT 01:43PM (MST)[p]A couple of quick comments.

Whether you agree or not about tax breaks or whatever is irrelevant. Proof is in the pudding and the pudding won't be complete to analyze until at least a year after Trump leaves office.

You refer to Obama as MY president. He was YOUR president as well unless you just immigrated to the US since 2017. I didnt vote for him any more than you did. But he was still POTUS just like Trump is.

Here is another article you should read. Read it all. Especially the later part where it breaks down debt by president. Obama increased the debt by 74%. Not double llke you have said many times. I agree 74% is ridiculous but lets be honest and truthful. Also, in terms of shear dollars, Trump is on track to nearly equal Obama in his first 4 years.


https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296
 
Actually, we pay taxes all year. April is just when we do the paperwork and determine if we paid too much or too little over the course of the year, at which point you either get a refund, or pay the remainder of what you owe. Many people saw an increase in their paychecks due to the change in withholding based on the new tax law. Those dollars have been in the economy for a year now.

>
>1. Does it seem right
>to you that they claim
>the tax cuts haven't worked.
>Last I checked we don't
>pay the taxes until April
>this year. It's pretty tough
>for them to have taken
>effect already or having any
>affect on the economy.
 

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