COLOelkman, I have a good spot in southern Co that I've been very successfull in but I finally realized that my wife and I can get 2 cows for the price of one bull. I already have a garage full of antlers so I've gotten over the ego thing and just want to fill the freezer.do you know of any tresspass ranches that you would be willing to share the info on, if not I fully understand.thank's , Bill